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kottke
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USA
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 Posted - 02/10/2004 : 17:19:31
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Fiddley poo about this best of compilation CD. If you're a big fan you already have all their albums anyway.
What are the chances of a NEW album from them? Too much work? Too risky to tarnish their legacy? Too much hassle of arguing musicians?
Whaddayathink?
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 18:04:39
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I've thought about hearing new Pixies music. The concept of a new Pixies song seemed too surreal and impossible. Like a new Beatles song. You know? I had never heard them until after they broke up, so it never felt like there was something more to look forward to. (Yes, I know they all recorded more afterwards, but I mean together) Who knows. They've said that they're in rehearsal right now out in CA. For all we know they could have already written a new song. A new 2-3 minute piece of heaven! And it could be just as kick ass as every other song they had written before. Granted, this is being optimistic, but I see no plausable reason not to be right now. I had believed that a reunion was impossible, and we all see how that turned out.
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kottke
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USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 18:22:40
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I hear ya. Some groups have done it, some have not. Beatles released a couple tunes that were good, although not totally "new" (Free as a Bird, Real Love), 25 years after they split. Other bands have reformed and released whole albums (Eagles off the top of my head, although there must be other notables). Of course, Simon & Garfunkel reunited with a best of CD and only toured, so it can go that way, too.
I think a new Pixies album would be more popular now than ever, as their fan base has appeared to build over the years. They did not wait so long as to be obsolete to their original fans, nor to be so old that people cringe at the thought of senior citizen heavy rockers.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 19:21:31
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I did think about the Free As A Bird/Real Love thing. But the equivalent would be Kim, Dave and Joey adding on to Draw Attention or something like that, without actually having Frank do anything new. Free/Real were written when the Beatles were still around. Now if the Pixies collectively revamped and re-recorded Draw Attention or anything like that, that would be another story. Hell. It's 7:00 PST. The Pixies could be writing a new song as we sit here and type. It blows my mind away.
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Jason
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 19:35:23
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not to be pedantic, but "Free as Bird" and "Real Love" were actually John Lennon demos from the late 70s. The Beatles, of course, were long broken up then.
As for a new Pixies album, I kinda hope not. Just because I'd rather see Frank put his songwriting/touring/playing energy behind the Catholics instead. But if it did happen, I'd buy it and I bet it would be good. I trust the Frank. |
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theonecontender
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Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 23:42:16
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| I say YES. Frank probably has a shit load of Pixie type arrangements that don't fit in with the catholics. He'll bust out years of rage and we shall be in awe. |
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SelfEscape
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 00:15:27
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Show Me Your Tears(the song from the itunes ep)
don't know if it was from the smyt sessions or written after, but have frank scream a bit louder and have the guitars rock a little more and theres a pixies song. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 02:21:55
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I believe Frank writes enough music to do 3 albums within a year
(technically BLD,DW and SMYT were pretty close to that)
so why couldn't he write another pixies album or so?
The problem is, that another pixies ablum would have a certain vibe around it. A Reunion album-vibe, which is most of the time, a bad vibe.
And I guess that a big album, productionwise, like bossanova or trompe le monde, with all those fancy stuff, Gill Norton-production, would be too much of work, but who knows? Maybe they like to do it!
But a come on pilgrim or surfer rosa, with minimal production, a 'live'spirit, yes, that could happen. Like I said before, frank has a mobile studio, he could record anything, it's not that hard to do.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 02:36:46
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it makes me wonder about who would "write" the song.
would kim have more say now that she has her own band and writes the songs there, or do they go back to staus-quo?
and would kim be ok with that, or would she demand more input?
all tricky questions the band would have to consider before they wrote anything new.
but i dare say it depends on how mellow kim and frank are...maybe they wouldn't care....
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 03:07:53
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This is an interesting debate. Does one lump the pixies in with all the other reunion bands who have recorded new material and failed.
Or do we logically assume that he (FB) is still writing top notch material and therefore expect an album under the pixies moniker to be just as good as other recent releases?
I don't believe FB is capable of writing a stinker. I do believe, however, that the likes of NME et al will be looking for any excuse to critically slay any new releases.
On other reunions and new material:
Successful:
Echo & the Bunnymen - more laid back but still strong writing in the main
Buzzcocks - last album is very good. Not so sure about the others.
Janes Addiction - lots of people have had a pop at them. I like the album.
Bauhaus - no new material but the live album 'Gotham' is superb
Unsuccessful:
The Chameleons - one of my favourite bands but the one new studio album is patchy. The acoustic albums of old material are very good though
Can't think of more at the moment. Must be plenty of failures out there!
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Simon133
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 03:13:23
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| The Velvet Underground reformed in the early 90s without recording any new material. Apparently the subsequent 'split' owed much to the fact that John Cale wanted to record new material and Lou Reed was just happy to rake in the cash from the live shows. In recent interviews, Cale still seems quite bitter about what he sees as a missed opportunity to record new stuff. And now Sterling Morrison is dead so they won't get another chance. |
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Douglas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 04:24:36
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| Didn't Stiff Little Fingers re-unite and release new stuff, too? Don't think it was very good, though... |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 07:17:59
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quote:
Originally posted by benji
it makes me wonder about who would "write" the song.
would kim have more say now that she has her own band and writes the songs there, or do they go back to staus-quo?
and would kim be ok with that, or would she demand more input?
"I joined the Cult of Frank / All i got got was some fucking eggs!"
Kim had her own band back in the pixies days
pod was released prior to bossanova
so that's not an argument
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 07:28:48
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Kim had her own band back in the pixies days
pod was released prior to bossanova
so that's not an argument
but wasn't the fact that kim's songwriting involvement was so limited one of the reasons things ended not to long after that?
if she had those asperations now, surely it would be a source of acrimony for the her if she was shut out, which could potentially re-kill the band....
"I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
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begeegs
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 07:31:44
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I think that it would be a big mistake to record a new song let alone a new album, unless it was done in the Police format and re-recording a different version of an existing song (Don't Stand So Close to Me).
I don't want my view of them to be tarnished and I think that it enevitably would be if they recorded a new album because I don't think that it would capture the wackiness of the pre-reunion Pixies with the more mature sounding Pixies.
I think giving fans what they want with a reunion is a great thing because they still can perform and play well. Let's not go too far in doing anything more than that unless done tastefully (Police). |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 07:31:50
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yes, that was one reason, back then, probably
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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kottke
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USA
121 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 08:03:29
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They already have a handful of killer albums. Wouldn't you rather they not rest on their laurels? Why not jump off the cliff and take a risk with a new album? The worst that could happen is the album would not be liked by some people. Doing a reunion tour is not a risk. It's an easy win for them. It is sold out shows and lots of money and maybe some good times for them replaying old tunes.
I'm not a fan of the 'noooo! don't tarnish the legacy!' It is way too safe and easy of an option for a group as wild as the Pixies and the music their writers are still putting out there.
"jugando en la playa" |
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CaptainMaximus
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 11:19:12
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Wire reformed in 2003---not only to orchestrate a series of phenomenal live shows, but to release EPs and an album. And this after ten years of hibernation, more or less. The new work was greeted warmly by the critics, and rightfully so; it far exceeded their 80s and early 90s output in quality.
Wire were one of the most important groups of the late 70s---they put an arty, experimental twist on punk. I highly recommend their Chairs Missing and Pink Flag albums. 154 I've never been a huge fan of, though people love that one as well.
In a way, I think the Pixies were influential in much the same manner as Wire were. They took a stagnant genre and introduced a jolt of electricity and strangeness. Plowing a once-fallow field and mining deeper to find new possibilities and approaches, kind of.
And, much like Wire's return, I think a Pixies album would be welcome---and most likely artistically successful. They're bringing 10 years of experience to the table, and there's something unique about their chemistry---even after a decade, I'm sure. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 12:12:30
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In terms of Kim writing songs--I think its important to note that back then Kim was full of songwriting ideas, as in she had never really had a go at an entire album worths of songs. Recently, after the first two Breeders albums, you kind of get the feeling Kim was all set with it, she got her creative urges out...because she's only written what? 15 songs since and that was 10 years ago..
I'll bet they could record a very good Pixies album if they wanted to (which they probably don't). Since Frank plays mostly late 80's Pixies songs, it'd probably be in that vibe, equally so because of his "back to basics" type of style of late. Kim's bass has always stayed bouncy, and with Joey's distinct guitar stylings, it definitely would sound like The Pixies. Then again, Frank's lyrics are a lot different now, so it would be interesting to see if he'd force some of his sex n death stylings once again. |
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 13:27:14
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| I do not want to see them record a new album. I'm not a fan of Frank's recent work and I know many pixies fans aren't either. He's a genius but a very stubborn man. Which is in itself a good thing because he sticks to what he wants to do but his music now is not inline with how the pixies sounded. I can't see him wanting to do record anything similair to how the pixies sounded. I'm actually kind of in a way cringing to hear him sing pixies songs after hearing how he sings them with the catholics. |
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mcmikey
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 13:30:14
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it's been 12 years since the Pixies last recorded. Why SHOULD new Pixies music sound like their old stuff? THey've all evolved. If you want music that doesn't change over 10, 15, or 20 years, you should be listening to someone like Michael Jackson, who writes the same crap now as the crap I loved when I was 8
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 13:41:57
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I agree, I'd like to see a completely new sound if they did something together now. Hopefully the same dynamic between them (they all play off each other quite well), but not necessarily another bunch of Gouge Aways.
Of course, the press would blow it to pieces, but then, when you're the Pixies, reuniting, and recording, ANYthing you do will be blown to pieces.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 14:05:39
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quote:
Originally posted by mcmikey
it's been 12 years since the Pixies last recorded. Why SHOULD new Pixies music sound like their old stuff? THey've all evolved. If you want music that doesn't change over 10, 15, or 20 years, you should be listening to someone like Michael Jackson, who writes the same crap now as the crap I loved when I was 8
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I have nothing against a band's sound evolving and changing, but when your music has done a complete 180 from exciting to boring I have no interest. Judging by Frank's popularity over the last few years neither do many people. I'm all up for new pixies material that can achieve the same level of quality as their past work but I doubt it's going to happen. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 14:14:53
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Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 14:15:37
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I should think that all of us here are painfully aware that popularity is about the worst measure of worth one could apply to music.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 14:26:23
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true.popularity has nothing to do with this.if they were to record a new album it shouldn't be judged by the number of copies that would sell.however i don't know what to think about a new pixies album.i guess i would consider it just a frank black experiment since for me the pixies are dead (and no reunion will change this).and since it's a while that i wish that fb returned to a decent studio i'd be more than willing to listen to some really new stuff much different from the latest catholics sound.
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 14:58:32
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum.
LOL, my mistake I meant 180 obviously.
You're right I won't get much support so I'll stop here. I like this board, I was just stating my opinion and didn't mean to start a war. It'll be pointless discussing this. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 15:52:23
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quote:
Originally posted by mattb
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum.
LOL, my mistake I meant 180 obviously.
You're right I won't get much support so I'll stop here. I like this board, I was just stating my opinion and didn't mean to start a war. It'll be pointless discussing this.
Actually, it needn't be pointless, but you need to do better than simply dismissing it as boring. I'd venture to say that most people here clearly discern the same pop mind behind everything Francis/Frank has done. Some may wish it were expressed differently but the genius shines through undiminished. The man isn't 22 anymore. I'm older too and I prefer the work of the older man. But you can disagree. Just be prepared to argue like hell. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 17:29:35
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I'm really indifferent as to whether the Pixies release another record. If they do, I'll buy it, and I'm sure it'll be great, although certainly different from what they did back in the day. I guess I mostly just want Frank to keep releasing albums in some form, be it with the Pixies, the Catholics, or whatever.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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Stiddy
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 19:12:01
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| Well, with Kim, she had a backlog of songs for Pod, and to a lesser extent, Last Splash. Kinda like how George Harrison released his backlog on All Things Must Pass. And I don't beleive that Kim ever wrote a Pixies song all on her own. I'd like to hear a few contributions from her...but don't expect another Gigantic or Divine Hammer. I personally am looking forward to some new lead vocals from David!! |
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StupidMe
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 19:19:22
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Originally posted by VoVat
I'm really indifferent as to whether the Pixies release another record. If they do, I'll buy it, and I'm sure it'll be great, although certainly different from what they did back in the day. I guess I mostly just want Frank to keep releasing albums in some form, be it with the Pixies, the Catholics, or whatever.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
http://vovat.blogspot.com/
EXACTLY! Well said.
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IceCream
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USA
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 19:23:23
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i'd be more than willing to listen to some really new stuff much different from the latest catholics sound.
Agreed, munchien. I like the Catholics sound, but listen to Trompe le Monde, and it's obvious that Frank's never recreated that sound with his live to two track approach. I really do love the production of Trompe, and I'd like to hear it again.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2004 : 09:09:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Jason
not to be pedantic, but "Free as Bird" and "Real Love" were actually John Lennon demos from the late 70s. The Beatles, of course, were long broken up then.
Yeah. Now that you mention it, I knew that. I'm stupid. But I think the comparison still stands.
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2004 : 10:13:49
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am i the only one here who doesnt really like gigantic that much. i mean its ok but its one of the few songs i skip more often than n ot
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kottke
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USA
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Posted - 02/12/2004 : 17:17:33
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If the Pixies released new material, I would rather it sounded like a relative of Gigantic than Tony's Theme.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2004 : 19:11:25
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It's fun to speculate, but I'd much rather just hear a new album and then we can discuss how it sounds rather than say how it will sound. In addition to my previous thoughts, I think it'd be wise to note that one of the things that I love so much about the Pixies is how unpredictable they are. The first album I heard was Doolittle. Naturally I was surprised when I heard Bossanova next. And I was blissfully surprised when I heard the rest of the albums. If they record another album, I can't think of it sounding like this or sounding like that. I think I'll be surprised.
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