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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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 Posted - 01/22/2004 : 15:06:46
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| It really pisses me off that this material was released in such an arbitrarily exclusive manner. I don't know who's behind it, if it's Frank, or Goes, or who, but given that everybody knows that Frank's cultish fans crave every morsel, why do this? Seems boneheaded, sadistic, or greedy. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2004 : 16:44:28
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| I thought they were embracing a new technology..? |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2004 : 17:36:45
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since i live in europe i HAD to get it from soulseek.i don't see anything sadistic or greedy in publishing something exclusively on itunes though.other exclusive stuff like promos or limited edition cd singles are equally hard to get for fans (see double disc versions of older albums that had unreleased b-sides).if you are really a fan you can always find a way to get stuff.i would like to have a material copy of this ep though with artwork and everything.i guess that my only objection is the format more than the exclusivity(i don't like to pay for a download.i still prefer the old fashioned record shops or mail orders at max).anyway since itunes will be available worldwide sooner or later i think that in general it was a good move to embrace a new type of distribution.
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2004 : 14:18:57
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Yea, I know I went overboard. And I know that I can get it without too much trouble, and most likely will do so soon. I am something of a completist, especially with the last ten years of Frank. However, what's so good about the new tech? I could see it as an addition to disc sales, but why exclusively thru such a proprietary outlet? I'm not that savvy on the politics of illegal copying but my sense is that since the industry assumes they can't beat the copiers, they'll just have to join them, via protocols with built-in limits on copying and quality degradation as you depart from the mother format (in this case whatever iTunes uses). Is that what this is about? Are we to assume that the artist gets a higher percentage of sales if the rights are allocated solely to a single electronic outlet that need not fear competition from disc sales? And the artist gets to justify the arrangement with the consolation that the cost to "patrons" is lower (so long as they have what it takes to buy into the proprietor's protocol)?
I agree with what you said about other types of exclusivity. I can understand it with the promos, except when they include ridiculously rare versions, but not the limited edition come-on. OK, FB may print a limited number of copies simply because he doesn't want to grossly exceed demand, but just in case demand may turn out to exceed supply, why ever commit to a limit? It's like selling a novel in limited edition. Seems pretty bogus, and I think most of us expect the limited edition b-sides to appear later on some FB&C b-sides compilation. I rant, and it's not that big a deal, but it doesn't seem like there needs to be any issue over any of this at all. Just sell us the fucking discs. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2004 : 17:09:33
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CONSUMER NAZI WARNING!! ALERT ALERT!!
hehe - i actually really respect your drive. Nice to see how much someone wants to support FB. |
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
64 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2004 : 16:16:54
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| 3 good songs and one great. Preacher´s daughter should have been on the album, the best countryesque song the man has recorded. |
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MMD
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
233 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2004 : 08:53:53
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I got this from SoulSeek too (searched for Frank Black iTunes). I'm not opposed to online only releases like this (I listen to all of my cd's on my computer in mp3 format) as long as they encode it in high enough quality. However I don't want to have to download and keep the iTunes program on my computer just to listen to 4 tracks, plus I thought it was pretty lame that they wanted me to download iTunes and register before I could even see what they are selling, I think they charge too much (99 Cents a track? TOTY would cost $21.78 and their overheads are close to nothing) and they resrict what you do with the files too much. Ohh and then there's the fact I live in the UK.
If they had a shop similar to hearitagain.net where you can see what's available through the webpage then be able to pay and download and play it in your regular media player (cover art would be nice too) then that would be groovy but I think as it is they still have a long way to go.
“Not since Orson Welles had one man so many fingers in so many pies, and been the chef as well. And then looked like he went and ate them all. The guy was out of control.” |
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Triakel
- FB Fan -
119 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2004 : 13:33:13
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What is the difference between a "U.S.-only Internet exclusive" and an "import CD?" Uh, not a whole lot. Artists have long tried out limited-edition material in specialized markets. If you don't have a credit card or live outside the U.S., you'll still be able to get the songs somehow, maybe just not *right now*. Maybe you'll have to be crafty.
Anyway, the exclusivity was likely part of Apple's deal with Frank Black. The carrot, you know? They need something stores can't offer (unique content); he needs something stores can't offer (distribution). FB was on EMusic early on and still is, so he's into online distribution. It's a good gig for an artist like him, with a moderately sized but loyal audience. Profits with less middleman B.S. But he still has to play the game a bit to get widespread online distribution. EMusic is a small player. Apple is not. Lighten up and be patient! You'll eventually get these songs. You'd likely have *never* gotten these songs at a record store. |
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Triakel
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 03/11/2004 : 13:44:53
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| About iTunes' propietary format. Yes, it's a drag, but it's a faster download, sounds good, and you can burn songs to disc. Then install CDex or another free utility to burn the disc back to MP3 format on your hard drive. Degradation is minimal. I used to transfer CDs to cassette tape, so that's my perspective. No biggie. |
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ERIK_MH
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Posted - 04/10/2004 : 23:18:35
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Hi, I´m working on Apple Mexico and i´m a Frank Black Fan too.
Maybe yo wanna know that the itunes store has permission to buy for every Apple employe about the world.
If you wanna a copy of the EP without encryption, email me to erik_mh@uolmail.com.mx |
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Wade
- FB Fan -
115 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2004 : 22:39:29
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Man, I have never heard such whining about new music being available in all my life. It's a few songs... and it's available in a new format. We all know the limitations and the situations regarding downloadable music for sale, and what sort of marketing ploys and deals with record companies have to be made to make it lucrative for the artists in the long run. So... I don't know what the complaint is about. Sure, maybe some have a harder time, but it seems everyone is getting to hear it one way or another. The other thing is that for those that have been there... it's Pub for FB&tC, A big photo, bio, songlist.... it's nice... great stuff for the man and his band. I think that if you think about it, this is better than it not having been released at all. Obviously.
I do understand some INITIAL frustrations, but cmon. I hear complaints about everything from lossy formats to iTunes lack of sale in other countries. AAC is a well recognized audio format (didn't it get chosen for new standard for DVD? am I making that up?) and I am sure that if Apple could get things in order technically and legally they'd be more than happy to sell to the entire world... so...
Give it a chance... support it... and maybe next time, access will be greater. As for the complaint about "internet downloadable music ruining the music business and that stuff about CD's walking out of the store" I get that, but there's not reason we can't have both.
I say Kudos to Frank and whoever for deciding to take a chance on a new way to get his music out there to those that might say buy a song, but not a whole album. Another thing... the new Pixies album "Wave of Mutilation" which is ... well you know what it is.... has like 22 songs on it (guesstimating) and it goes for 10 bucks on iTunes. I imagine access to it by other countries can't be far off...til then, I"m sure you've all found a way to hear the good stuff on the EP by now.
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Halcyon
- FB Fan -
Canada
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 15:15:25
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i wish i had a copy of this but i don't have a credit card, money, and i'm not american :'(
someone help a brother out |
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Zsolt G.
- FB Fan -
117 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2004 : 16:25:42
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| I don't know if it is still happening, but these songs were all supposed to appear on an upcoming "b-sides" compilation. Let's hope they get their shit together and actually release this thing. |
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stymie
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2004 : 10:00:47
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| I'd like to hear them as well, but I don't own a computer! Wish there were some nice people in this world! |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2005 : 10:37:17
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I was finally able to get these songs. Of the four, "Preacher's Daughter" is my favorite. I especially like the chorus, and its use of steel guitar. "Don't Clip Your Wings" is pretty good, too. I'm guessing the mention of Cleopatra has something to do with Frank's ex-wife, since I think he's said something about her being Cleopatra in another life. I'm not so thrilled by "A Dab'll Do Ya," but maybe it'll grow on me, as Frank's songs are wont to do. "Show Me Your Tears" is, well, average, I guess. Average Frank is still pretty darned good, though. I like the keyboards on the song. I guess I can see why it was cut from the album, although it's amusing that they still kept that as the album title when the song wasn't on it. I know that's not the first case of that happening, though.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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toeknee
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
281 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2005 : 16:34:41
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| Strange, I really like Show Me Your Tears, though A Dab'll Do Ya is top of the list. Really don't like Preacher's Daughter and don't mind Don't Clip Your Wings (thought it was a funny song choice to perform on 'Gonzo' though.) |
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skeleton man1
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 02/27/2005 : 07:14:18
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| i've been getting some frank rarities off i-tunes like this e.p. and some other things im missing from the pepsi i-tunes promo something for you guys and gals to think about. |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 23:22:15
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As the title track, SMYT should have been the closer to the album proper - it's a great song. I like the other three also, but they probably work better as b-sides. Hopefully they'll all make it to CD soon... please!
** I'll Be Blue, True Blue, Jaina Blue ** |
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zed
- FB Fan -
France
36 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2005 : 08:28:42
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The reason why apple only released it in the US is due to copyrights and licenses. Apple is licenced to distribute cooking vinyl releases in the US but not in europe.
Moreover Copyrights are different in every european countries. |
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New, exclusive EP at iTunes...
