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moonruler
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 Posted - 10/25/2024 : 14:20:37
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Dang. First time through.
1 Not getting the love, but will revisit.
2 Sounded better than I remember.
3 Heck a yeah!
4 I like this song
5 Holy Fuck Yes
6 Need another listen.
7 My favorite from the singles
8 Interesting.
9 Meh. Could still grow on me.
10 Love Emma’s bass and vocals on this. She sounds great on this album.
11 Very Pixies/FB/Catholics Love it.
12 Emma!
13 Great closer. I hope you don’t hate us.
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moonruler
- FB Fan -
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209 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2024 : 14:21:51
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And again…
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QuaBear
- FB Fan -
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66 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2024 : 15:22:31
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Agreed with "Emma!" on 12.
I feel like those vocals have been missing in 2.0 (no offense Paz, but just doesn't have as much range). Especially the end of Prairie, with her 'Prairayyyyyyy'....so good.
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Originally posted by moonruler
Dang. First time through.
1 Not getting the love, but will revisit.
2 Sounded better than I remember.
3 Heck a yeah!
4 I like this song
5 Holy Fuck Yes
6 Need another listen.
7 My favorite from the singles
8 Interesting.
9 Meh. Could still grow on me.
10 Love Emma’s bass and vocals on this. She sounds great on this album.
11 Very Pixies/FB/Catholics Love it.
12 Emma!
13 Great closer. I hope you don’t hate us.
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
635 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2024 : 23:24:13
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| Emma really shines on this album. Nothing against Paz, I love her and everything she brought to the band. But damn, Emma is just such a strong presence. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 00:12:14
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Still wish Paz was with them
Kim Deal would also shine on this material (Drivin on 9 style)
But Emma really is a great new addition
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tamefan
- FB Fan -
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239 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 03:29:52
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Ernest Evans belongs in a Quentin Tarantino soundtrack.
Don't call him Ernest, he's the king of the twist
Don't call him Ernest Evans, he's the king of the goddamn twist
Gotta say, though, I'm not feeling Oyster Beds. Maybe it'll grow on me. Who adds geriatric hand claps to a punk song? |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3142 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 07:51:45
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Mercy Me is wonderful
The first chord reminds me of the Everly Bros |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3142 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 08:02:22
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| And yes man, EMMA is amazing on this whole album |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 08:15:17
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Oyster Beds is easily my favorite track. It's nothing special, yet it is.
All in the vocal delivery of Frank
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 08:18:12
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Anyone find the ending of Johnny Goodman kind of abrupt?
I guess bands still use fade outs but I wouldn't mind hearing it lead to a conclusion like on something like St Francis Dam Disaster. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 08:46:42
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I do not enjoy Kings of the Prairie. Too repetitive and boring.
But after not being into the live version I do quite enjoy The Vegas Suite. Something about it stands out, in his vocals and when Joey’s guitar kicks in a bit. It’s a nice quick ending on a high note. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 10:51:02
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The sequence from Johnny Good Man right to Mercy Me is glorious.
Love the way the vocals from both sound in the outro of I Hear You Mary. Already said the same about Mercy Me - one of my all time favourite BF vocals.
Hypnotised reminds me of ELO (not a bad thing by any means!). |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 11:05:05
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Originally posted by tamefan
i'll take chicken over silver snail, hypnotised over blue-eyed hexa.
Wow. Blue-Eyed Hex destroys everything on this album.
I have to say, I've listened three times, and I'm really disappointed.
Very dull melodies, chords, etc throughout. Nothing remotely Pixies-like throughout the entire thing. I don't like the production, I don't like a lot of the clunky lyrics, and nothing has grabbed me.
I went in hoping very hard to like it.
I plan to listen a dozen more times. I hope something hits me. I have problems with the previous albums but there were clear favorites for me on them. This one doesn't have anything so far. |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 11:26:02
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I'm starting to feel some of the album is fairly dull too. I also can't stand Dalgetys classic rock bs, I imagine it influences some of the direction here.
Like- you're so impatient screams generic regular rock music to me. Oyster Beds is the only thing here that gives me that fun Pixies song feel.
For my money- Primrose, Jane, Johnny Goodman, Oyster, and Vegas Suite would be a solid ep. (Maybe Mercy Me and/or Chicken can be in it too) But... even better with some indie rock rawer production rather than Dalgety style. |
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The Maharal
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996 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 11:55:17
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Primrose. I'm liking it more and more after a few listens. Lyrics immediately got me thinking of Manitoba. However, I don't think it has any business being number one in the track listing. Maybe similar to EP1 with Andro Queen, though that's obviously a lovely song too.
Big fan of Jane. Surprised how good it is with that title. Johnny is good fun. Revisiting the Barleycorn thing isn't the most exciting though. Hypnotised, bit dull, the ''is anybody out there'' just reminds me of some of the more boring moments of the Paz years. Mary - I'm liking it. Mercy Me is nice. Like the vocals. Ernest Evans is good fun. Possibly forgettable in a couple of days but good fun nonetheless.
Prairie - another now traditional Pixies-country song. Disliked it at first but now it's OK. Would have been better if they cut a good minute off it. A short ditty like Jet Black River.
Vegas Suite album version is much better than the tepid live versions. That said, if I never heard the 'he's coming today, he's coming to save us' refrain ever again I wouldn't complain too much.
Still enjoy Oyster Beds and Motoroller.
Overall, it's an OK album. At times it feels like BF on autopilot and also that he's humouring some of the other band members. Do think they lean on the boy/girl harmonies too much. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 12:01:52
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I’ve avoided everything except the first single.
Guys, this is it. They finally did it. It’s a Pixies Catholics quasi concept album. It’s fucking amazing. Grand Slam, pixies. Grand slam.
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1117 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 12:23:57
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I've had a few more listens but it hasn't really revealed itself to be more than 'Ye Olde Pixies' in sheeps clothing.
Charles seems to be content as a 1950s Uncle Fester in Dalgety's goth rock opera that continues on from the second half of Doggerel.
Joey wants to play surf guitar and Dave pounds away on the dry drums.
The unfamiliarity of the songs is nice but they do not strike me as having longevity or depth. Much like Head Carrier and Doggerel, once they reveal themselves I don't think I will have a desire to revisit them with the exception of Motoroller (along with Haunted House and Simulate Me from Doggerel).
The last decade has been interesting, some highs - Benath the Eyrie especially - but if they're planning for another decade I would suggest they need to go back to the drawing board.
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QuaBear
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 12:50:55
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I disagree Stevio--I mean, I guess I have to wait a few months or a year to see if this thing has staying power--but I really do think this is the best 2.0 offering. I just remember songs like "Oona," "Tenement Song," "Catfish Kate," "Baals Back" "Long Rider," "Greens and Blues," "What Goes Boom," and just a good amount of the songs off all of these 2.0 records where they just kind of meander...they kind of feel uninspired...They feel somewhat contrived, or lost. I don't know how to say it. My opinion of course.
All that being said, I do think Beneath the Eeryie and Doggeral was heading in this direction. Some great stuff on those records (Daniel Boone, The Lord Has Saved me Today)
For me, this record just feels much less contrived. Something about the song arrangements, the variety of parts that go in and out of the songs. The guitar parts, the drum parts that spark some great things that I feel has been lacking. There's a great flow to this record....the songs don't really overstay their welcome; There's an energy to these songs, a vibrancy.
I think Emma is a big reason I feel this record delivers a lot more. Her harmonies and backing vocals give something that has lacked the whole 2.0 era.
I can't decide right now if it's a classic, or a masterpiece yet. I feel that takes time.
I just think this record has more to offer in so many different facets that I feel was lacking in all 2.0 records.
My two cents.
For me it goes (we'll see how this looks in a year)
TNTZC
Doggeral
Beneath the Eeryie
Indie Cindy
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3142 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 14:21:47
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I’m having a bit of some kind of survivors guilt in light of some long time fans who aren’t liking these new albums.
I really feel for you, and hope you’ll find peace along the way
BTE to Doggerel to TNTZC is, for me, his best three albums in a row since his original run
I cannot get enough of Primrose man, that song is sick. John Lennon is crying somewhere |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 15:14:58
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Well this long term fan is with you Bedbug. I remember when I first listened both Bossanova and TLM when they came out in 1990 and 1991 and in both cases there were plenty of reviews that were a bit meh and even a few songs I was not too mad about (e.g. Down to the Well, Head On). But all the same for both records there were plenty of spine tingling moments that made me hammer songs over and over and over again (All over the World, Blown Away, Alec Eiffel, U-Mass to name just a few).
Even though neither record sounded anything like Doolittle I just plugged and blissed out. Same dopamine hit, different batch. I remember particularly thinking TLM was much stronger than Bossanova and I could not understand why it was getting a critical kicking. But I figured it was just me, the Pixies just scratch some kind of itch that not everybody has. And then all that changed when COR appeared...
Zombies is giving me the similar feelings (frankly so did BTE and Doggerel except there are a couple on each that jar me just a little bit). But nothing jarring on Zombies so far, the songs are just are leaner, tighter, better, at least to me at this stage. The jar factor was much higher on Indie Cindy and to a lesser extent on Head Carrier. But I consider Head Carrier to be the first Pixies 2.0 album to contain a masterpiece (Plaster of Paris) and since then that quota has been going up album by album. So far on Zombies my masterpieces are Motoroller, Johnny Good Man and Mercy Me.
Right now I don't know if Zombies has more masterpieces that Doggerel but for sure the worst songs on Doggerel (Vault of Heaven and Dregs of the Wine) are more worse than the worst song on Zombies (actually least best is more correct as there no dud songs). But how Zombies and Doggerel slosh it out for top spot for me in the future only time will tell.
I agree with your ranking Qua Bear except I'd swap Head Carrier and Indie Cindy.
I think the run BTE-BTE demos-Doggerel-Zombies is the best 4 record Frank run since DITS through to SMYT. I frickin' love this more mellow vibe that's on both the most recent records.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 15:23:40
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I’ve avoided everything except the first single.
Guys, this is it. They finally did it. It’s a Pixies Catholics quasi concept album. It’s fucking amazing. Grand Slam, pixies. Grand slam.
I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
Yes agree, it's just nestled on on the intersect of Pixies, late FB&C and also a little FMRM. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 15:27:06
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| Damn, opinions on this album are even more all over the place than previous 2.0 outings. Just goes to show that after so many years and songs and albums, there are different aspects of Charles’ output that we all prefer. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 16:25:28
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Originally posted by Sprite
Well this long term fan is with you Bedbug. I remember when I first listened both Bossanova and TLM when they came out in 1990 and 1991 and in both cases there were plenty of reviews that were a bit meh and even a few songs I was not too mad about (e.g. Down to the Well, Head On). But all the same for both records there were plenty of spine tingling moments that made me hammer songs over and over and over again (All over the World, Blown Away, Alec Eiffel, U-Mass to name just a few).
Even though neither record sounded anything like Doolittle I just plugged and blissed out. Same dopamine hit, different batch. I remember particularly thinking TLM was much stronger than Bossanova and I could not understand why it was getting a critical kicking. But I figured it was just me, the Pixies just scratch some kind of itch that not everybody has. And then all that changed when COR appeared...
Zombies is giving me the similar feelings (frankly so did BTE and Doggerel except there are a couple on each that jar me just a little bit). But nothing jarring on Zombies so far, the songs are just are leaner, tighter, better, at least to me at this stage. The jar factor was much higher on Indie Cindy and to a lesser extent on Head Carrier. But I consider Head Carrier to be the first Pixies 2.0 album to contain a masterpiece (Plaster of Paris) and since then that quota has been going up album by album. So far on Zombies my masterpieces are Motoroller, Johnny Good Man and Mercy Me.
Right now I don't know if Zombies has more masterpieces that Doggerel but for sure the worst songs on Doggerel (Vault of Heaven and Dregs of the Wine) are more worse than the worst song on Zombies (actually least best is more correct as there no dud songs). But how Zombies and Doggerel slosh it out for top spot for me in the future only time will tell.
I agree with your ranking Qua Bear except I'd swap Head Carrier and Indie Cindy.
I think the run BTE-BTE demos-Doggerel-Zombies is the best 4 record Frank run since DITS through to SMYT. I frickin' love this more mellow vibe that's on both the most recent records.
You're bringing me back a lot of memories Sprite, thank you.
I remember that when I first heard of the Pixies, Bossanova had just been released, and people who already knew the band were like "yeah too bad about their new album being no good, but the first two are great." And I too was not feeling Bossa as much as the others. Man have times changed. Though the day TLM came out I was instantly like "this is my favorite Pixies album." But definitely remember everybody still being stuck on Surfer and Doolittle forever.
I think these 2.0 albums will continue to grow on people, but if they don't that's fine too. I just can't believe our man puts out so much amazing tunes this many years later. Where is his mind!?
On another note, does everybody remember that original list of songs from BMI that we were all obsessing over about a decade ago, with things like Hester Prynne (?) Banks of the drain (?) etc. Did all those songs end up turning into tracks on these 2.0 albums, or are some still never done? I know I got the names wrong on those songs but I think you guys know the list I'm talking about. I think Oona (as "una") might have been on that list too, and some others from IC / HC era. Any help is appreciated. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 16:54:23
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I've seen a lot of people make the point that people didn't like Bossonova or Trompe when it came out, etc...
I'm sorry but that just doesn't work for me anymore. There is a massive difference in songwriting style between Pixies and Doolittle --> Bossonova and Pixies 1.0 and something like Zombies. And I think time WILL bear that out, as these albums become footnotes and we all still mostly listen in awe to the original albums, plus the majority of Frank's solo work.
I just can't get over the dullness of this record, and I'm amazed anyone can say it's the best of 2.0 so far. Where are the angular melodies (I'll give you the verses of Jane kind of go in that direction)? Where are the surprises? The Catholics worked when they did folky stuff because their commitment was 100%. Like those albums truly sounded like something you'd find in an old record store bin.
But hearing Pixies (and Dalgety's production) trying to squeeze this stuff into some sort of modern radio-friendly Pixies-shaped holes feels like a weird half measure and will never sound comfortable to me. Even Doggerel had something weird like Get Stimulated. I'm not hearing anything on here that doesn't sound like a very very simple, warmed over folk melody. There's no weirdness, the production is making a soup out of everything, and even Frank's lyrics just don't spark the imagination on this one. I thought There's A Moon On was the nadir of his lyric writing but Chicken is just actually hard for me to sit through.
What am I missing here? I've listened three times and I'm just deeply disappointed. What are you all hearing?
Side note: why have I read reviews that keep saying Chicken is "from the point of view of a chicken"? NO IT ISN'T! The lyric is that he "sometimes I feel LIKE a chicken." Good lord, man. |
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AG80
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 17:25:49
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Jane (The Night the Zombies Came) is a perfect Pixies song. A haunted Nursery Rhyme with a triumphant and melancholic chorus that cuts right into your soul. Joey's guitar riff. Dave yelling "Jane!" Black Francis and Emma singing together. "Tortured creature that was slain by Jane." This song makes me so happy.
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 17:55:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
I've seen a lot of people make the point that people didn't like Bossonova or Trompe when it came out, etc...
I'm sorry but that just doesn't work for me anymore. There is a massive difference in songwriting style between Pixies and Doolittle --> Bossonova and Pixies 1.0 and something like Zombies. And I think time WILL bear that out, as these albums become footnotes and we all still mostly listen in awe to the original albums, plus the majority of Frank's solo work.
I just can't get over the dullness of this record, and I'm amazed anyone can say it's the best of 2.0 so far. Where are the angular melodies (I'll give you the verses of Jane kind of go in that direction)? Where are the surprises? The Catholics worked when they did folky stuff because their commitment was 100%. Like those albums truly sounded like something you'd find in an old record store bin.
But hearing Pixies (and Dalgety's production) trying to squeeze this stuff into some sort of modern radio-friendly Pixies-shaped holes feels like a weird half measure and will never sound comfortable to me. Even Doggerel had something weird like Get Stimulated. I'm not hearing anything on here that doesn't sound like a very very simple, warmed over folk melody. There's no weirdness, the production is making a soup out of everything, and even Frank's lyrics just don't spark the imagination on this one. I thought There's A Moon On was the nadir of his lyric writing but Chicken is just actually hard for me to sit through.
What am I missing here? I've listened three times and I'm just deeply disappointed. What are you all hearing?
Side note: why have I read reviews that keep saying Chicken is "from the point of view of a chicken"? NO IT ISN'T! The lyric is that he "sometimes I feel LIKE a chicken." Good lord, man.
Correct me if I'm wrong Trouble (or anyone correct me) but I think the last album to receive Doolittle-like praise was Doolittle.
That's my only point in bringing that up. I'm not saying any 2.0 album, or even anything post Doolittle, will receive that kind of praise. Even though you and I think Bossa and Trompe are as good / better than Surfer / Doolittle, that is still not the majority opinion and probably won't ever be. I was just trying to say ever since Doolittle, Charle's work has been on this grower trajectory. Every album from Bossanova to Indie Cindy and Head Carrier has started out lower in the polls (my polls) than it is now, even the things that I loved immediately. (Maybe Head Carrier is the only one I like less than I originally did).
But if some people love 2.0 stuff exactly as much as they love 1.0 stuff, more power to them. I'm not there, but I love the 2.0 stuff just as much, even though I wouldn't rank it equally. I know that sounds like a contradiction.
Regarding the lyrics (again), how do you feel about Stormy Weather and Into the White and Theme from Narc, etc.? |
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Jamie
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 18:54:03
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| Love it so far. Obviously this isn't literally true, but it feels sort of like an album of Daniel Boones. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 20:08:50
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I have to come back and say something
It seems like it's been for the last 3 Dalgety albums that they lead with a series of weak, throaway tracks and then the album drops and we find the hidden gems
I'm not sure what the count is for gems on this one but it's probably 5 or 6
These are not only some of the best songs Charles has written for years but the hooks in some of these songs make them serious contenders for number one pop hits
I think by my count we have now exceeded the number of songs written for 2.0 are greater than 1.0?
But now some of these these songs are 1.0 worthy
The lead track Jane what the fuck is that some Medeival song he's borrowing from?
I love it and I love Emma's vocals and how they are working with charles's mature vocals now
I'm so angry at myself because I didn't have the foresight to know the main forecourt would become so crowded and I wasn't there jumping around for Trompe
My bad but also Paradiso's for their poor information and communication the day before when I decided to pop in to ask
I didn't know there were locker facilities until I clocked my QR code and walked in - this would have helped greatly me to organise my night
I stayed in an Air bnb in the far noord and walked everyday 2/3 miles to the centre and on the day of the gig I walked I reckon about 4/5 miles to Paradiso and back that day - after being disappointed by the coffeeshop district I somehow managed to still walk from Paradiso to the same distance Noord and over on the ferry - I have very vague memories of getting back that night but I definitely know I did get back |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3142 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 20:25:54
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 20:30:57
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Regarding the lyrics (again), how do you feel about Stormy Weather and Into the White and Theme from Narc, etc.?
Stormy Weather is one line. I mean...come on. That song is an anomaly and we all know what songs we're comparing his lyrics to when we are on this topic. This is like when people say "but Here Comes Your Man was poppy!" Yeah, that's called "the exception that proves the rule."
But even that one line in Stormy Weather is evocative and eerie, which is, at least to me, what Pixies lyrics should be. That song is the end of the movie of Bossanova, you're meant to sit and space out to it as the album is coming to a close. AND STILL, it's a better lyric than "Chicken."
Into The White is also evocative and eerie. It sparks your imagination. I can't even understand your point here. You're naming songs that have clearly superior lyrics. You might as well say "how about Monkey Gone To Heaven?? What about Break My Body??"
Theme From Narc is a cover. It doesn't really have lyrics except for the title. I have little interest in it and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
"Etc".....?
I think I'd be OK with bad lyrics if I dug the music more. For example, I don't really like the lyrics to Thunder and Lightning on Doggerel, but they work well with the music and it won me over after a bunch of listens. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 20:49:21
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Well, I guess that is my point
“Sometimes I feel like a chicken” is creepy.
The whole of that song’s lyrics to me is very unsettling. Makes me think about the regular chickens
I bring up the one liner songs not as a gotcha, but because to me they do so much with so little. And I think the 2.0 songs which you seem not to like as much do the same thing.
Chicken makes me think about Eraserhead - the chicken, the decapitation, the searching
Even his line “an actor of zombie movies” - not “in” zombie movies which we would expect and which grammatically makes more sense
Listen to how Frank says the “of”
Re your “etc”? I guess I would say There Goes My Gun would be another, not trying to “gotcha” |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 21:07:09
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I guess some of these lyrics could be subjective how people are effected by them but I'm kind of in middle on chicken. The chorus is okay but still sounds maybe more like a somber country song than weird Pixies stuff.
I also agree about the original Pixies lyrics- Into the white just sound abstract and cool. There goes my gun- it's not shakespear but it's a provocative set of words.
It might also be a kind of youthful energy that it can take to write and deliver something like that so I don't hold it against them that they aren't doing it now. Maybe the closest for me on the new album is Oyster Beds as it just feels like it's having fun to me with its style of rhymes and some vocal refrains. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 21:33:36
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Well, I guess that is my point
“Sometimes I feel like a chicken” is creepy.
But I don't think that's creepy. I think that's very boring, on the nose, and being stated very plainly, with nothing left to your imagination. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. Saying "sometimes" in a lyric is weak. Saying "I feel like" is boring rather than just being the thing in the song. Did Frank write "sometimes I like to watch the Three Stooges / those films are very funny / they make me laugh"? No, he did something more interesting, right? Did Frank sing "Sometimes I feel like a bird flying on Mars"? No, he wrote Bird Dream of the Olympus Mons and left us to figure that out ourselves.
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I bring up the one liner songs not as a gotcha, but because to me they do so much with so little. And I think the 2.0 songs which you seem not to like as much do the same thing.
But they are doing the opposite of that. They aren't doing so much with so little. They are over-explaining everything. That is my entire point. Do you understand? I'm not complaining that these songs have too few lyrics. I'm saying they aren't poetic or evocative.
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Chicken makes me think about Eraserhead - the chicken, the decapitation, the searching
But it is just a country music cliche. Running around like a chicken with its head cut off. I'm confused as to why Frank seems to think he's the first to write a song like this. This is a common saying. It's not very interesting. It has nothing to do with Eraserhead.
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Even his line “an actor of zombie movies” - not “in” zombie movies which we would expect and which grammatically makes more sense
Listen to how Frank says the “of”
I don't care about of. I want to know why he didn't name some cool zombie movie instead of saying the incredibly clunky, unimaginative line "an actor of zombie movies." These are not good lyrics. Tell me about some obscure cool italian zombie flick, Frank. This is like some sort of first draft. It does nothing for the imagination. And as a horror movie fan myself, I'm sorry, but this is just underwhelming.
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Re your “etc”? I guess I would say There Goes My Gun would be another, not trying to “gotcha”
Again, eerie and evocative. Leaves a ton to your imagination. It's not my favorite Pixies lyrics though, but I don't feel embarrassed by it the way I feel when I listen to Chicken. I still don't understand your examples here. These songs are all obviously more interesting and elegant than Chicken. I'll even say every single song Frank has ever written has better lyrics than Chicken, because I think those might be his worst lyrics. It really drags the album down for me.
What's been upsetting is nothing picks the album back up.
I kind of enjoy Oyster Beds because it has some energy, and his voice sounds cool on it, but Frank albums used to have a dozen of those, and more weird and interesting too. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/26/2024 : 22:12:52
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Frank wants to be more like Reid Paley, he has stated that a couple of times. Simple words, simple stories.
He also brings up Shirley Collins in an interview this week, and talks about the direct lyrics in folk songs.
I think Troubles A Foot has a point, Frank has changed. In a way that's good. The first run of albums, the first half of his career, it's all here to stay.
The new direction, started with Show Me Your Tears maybe, is not for every FBF-fan.
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tamefan
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| time will tell if the immediacy of the songs on Zombies means they lack longevity (i suspect this will be the case for one or two songs). if the songs have staying power, i will be revisiting about 6 songs, which would put Zombies alongside BTE as my most-revisited 2.0. album. i'm not convinced Zombies is as well-written or well-conceived as BTE, but 6 bangers is still 6 bangers. also, boy, what a difference shaving an average 30 seconds off of the songs makes! i've struggled going back to listen to doggerel. those songs were too long, or something, man. and yeah listening to Zombies scratches my itch for Pixies. i felt disillusioned with IC and disappointed with HC (although I still obsessively listened to Oona, Baal's Back, and especially Paris), thrilled with BTE, satisfied with Doggerel, and pleasantly surprised with Zombies. i don't know why, i'm trying not to overthink it. motoroller rocks and that's enough for me at this moment |
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The Night The Zombies Came
