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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/03/2022 :  02:25:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Other great quotes:

- we can make an album in a month (writing, two weeks of recording, and then mixing)
- they just like Tom. They met for diner and within 5 minutes they knew it would work. Without hearing his stuff
- Tom doesn't like country per se, he likes aggressive music, but the songs are what came out


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Really good interview!

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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

1228 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2022 :  03:43:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Updated the first post. According to this interview (https://www.lesinrocks.com/musique/pixies-on-sefforce-detre-reglos-en-affaires-501963-29-09-2022/) Paz already recorded two tracks for album no. 9.

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Am I reading this right, two tracks for Album 9 are recorded? Or Paz saying she put down some parts?
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/03/2022 :  03:55:00  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I read it as FBF saying that Paz recorded two lead vocals for a new album.
Not sure, because it was Google Translate.

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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 10/03/2022 :  04:05:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah I see, OK that's interesting, indicates they are well into things.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/03/2022 :  04:24:11  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yeah, maybe we will hear it sooner than later

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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
912 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2022 :  05:10:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like that interview happened in June. Can't imagine much has changed since then, unless they've recorded more between the Summer Europe tour and this autumn US leg.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/03/2022 :  05:26:10  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
That could be the case, but I'm sure they also like some time off
(and Instagram photo's don't indicate anything else)

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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
912 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2022 :  05:54:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, I think it's much more likely they took a vacation. I suppose then that the most recent update would be from Joey and Dave's youtube interview where they talk about Charles's desire to record demoes.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/03/2022 :  07:09:28  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yes, but I thought Joey meant to say: Charles likes to do demos [in general]
Not "he likes to do them now" but more a general approach he likes
Not sure, I've only listened once

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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
1075 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2022 :  13:58:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like Tom is in the US at recent shows. Gave Miles Mangino a Doggerel cake! More recordings/demos perhaps?
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

Iceland
3909 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2022 :  14:06:26  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10

Gave Miles Mangino a Doggerel cake!



The dirty buggers

Honestly I have no idea who the hell Miles Mangino is - but that made me chortle anyway
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matto
= Cult of Ray =

USA
944 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2022 :  19:34:29  Show Profile  Visit matto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pot

I'm struggling to figure out what's so "Americana" about Human Crime?



FB played it for the first time live on that John Ennis-related fundraiser, it was acoustic, 1/2 the speed of the full band version, very sitting on the porch strumming at twilight. I lost the recording of it, maybe someone else here still has it.

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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

Iceland
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Posted - 10/04/2022 :  21:56:27  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by matto

quote:
Originally posted by pot

I'm struggling to figure out what's so "Americana" about Human Crime?



FB played it for the first time live on that John Ennis-related fundraiser, it was acoustic, 1/2 the speed of the full band version, very sitting on the porch strumming at twilight. I lost the recording of it, maybe someone else here still has it.



I'd buy that for a dollar
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/04/2022 :  23:47:26  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Miles is their sound/light-guy
Also records them from time to time


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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
912 Posts

Posted - 10/05/2022 :  06:20:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by matto

quote:
Originally posted by pot

I'm struggling to figure out what's so "Americana" about Human Crime?



FB played it for the first time live on that John Ennis-related fundraiser, it was acoustic, 1/2 the speed of the full band version, very sitting on the porch strumming at twilight. I lost the recording of it, maybe someone else here still has it.

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The lyrics are very country, which I thought at first listen, and I could easily imagine a honkey tonk steel petal all over the chorus.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/12/2022 :  11:25:10  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
EDIT first post:
a lot of good songs were put aside for Doggerel because they didn't fit the recipe of the record.
Says FBF in the French Rolling Stone

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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1291 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2022 :  13:04:02  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

EDIT first post:
a lot of good songs were put aside for Doggerel because they didn't fit the recipe of the record.
Says FBF in the French Rolling Stone

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Explains his anger (or maybe extreme annoyance) at Tom for wanting to fart around with chicken scratches in the margins and half baked ideas instead of all the other songs in the notebook at the Number 9 session. No wonder it wound up on the roof.


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.

Edited by - johnnyribcage on 10/12/2022 13:04:34
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/12/2022 :  13:14:22  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Haha

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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/18/2022 :  08:59:44  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Updated first post
Band picked 16 songs of the 40 demos
So there are 4 more Doggerel Session songs
(Not sure how complete of course)



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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <

2966 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2022 :  11:02:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Updated first post
Band picked 16 songs of the 40 demos
So there are 4 more Doggerel Session songs
(Not sure how complete of course)



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That is very cool to know. Will be curious to see if they save them for alubm no. 9 or release them as B-sides
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
6013 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2022 :  12:15:11  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yeah a stand alone single like Hear me out, would be nice
A (streaming) deluxe version of Doggerel with more songs would be a good option
To go along with the tour in 2023

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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

1228 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2022 :  12:40:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I picked up on that in the latest Paz interview that got posted. There is still at least one BTE song (Grow Fins) that is still to appear.

Taking

Bam Thwok
Ain't that pretty at all
Women of war
Hear me out
Mambo Sun
Grow Fins
Que sera sera
Human Crime

we are already over half way to a Pixies 2.0 Bside record

Hopefully we get to hear these extra 4 from the Doggerel sessions one day (along with Super Lecker of course )
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
6013 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2022 :  12:52:09  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
There are way more songs recorded but not released

Los Muchateros
The whole of the law
Alice prinn

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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =

USA
819 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2022 :  15:00:17  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I also recall from the Pixies podcast that they were working on Caught in a Dream at the official BTE sessions, but unsure if it ever got finished.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1291 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2022 :  15:36:08  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

I picked up on that in the latest Paz interview that got posted. There is still at least one BTE song (Grow Fins) that is still to appear.

Taking

Bam Thwok
Ain't that pretty at all
Women of war
Hear me out
Mambo Sun
Grow Fins
Que sera sera
Human Crime

we are already over half way to a Pixies 2.0 Bside record

Hopefully we get to hear these extra 4 from the Doggerel sessions one day (along with Super Lecker of course )



Grow Fins would be a Captain Beefheart cover, no?


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

1228 Posts

Posted - 10/19/2022 :  01:04:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes that's correct, I remember it being mentioned on the BTE podcasts (can't recall if there is an actual clip of it). My list was only meant to be songs that we are certain there are recordings of. The three you mention

Los Muchateros
The whole of the law
Alice prinn

I recognise from those old threads on BMI entries. But we do know for certain they are finished tunes in the vault?
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
6013 Posts

Posted - 10/19/2022 :  07:50:55  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Nope, this was from memory

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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2411 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2022 :  00:53:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

There are way more songs recorded but not released

Los Muchateros
The whole of the law
Alice prinn

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Always interested to hear about 'Alice Prinn'. Do we know what sessions this was recorded in?

Wonder if 'Down in Toulon' made it past the demo stage too. The band brought it up a few times (nearly playing it for a short performance) in the run up to Head Carrier.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/20/2022 :  02:56:21  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Alice Prin was for Indie Cindy

Here's the thread with a lot more songs:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20919


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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/20/2022 :  02:57:38  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Picpic says in that thread:
Toulon & Drive have been recorded. They were on this chart from the "Pixies 2016" trailer back in January. B-Sides maybe ?


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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/20/2022 :  02:58:19  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
One of those could be Silver Bullet (which was recorded for Head Carrier, and had new drums for BTE)

Bogman turned into Long Rider

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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 10/20/2022 :  03:07:54  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
If someone has the time, you can shift through the 400+ titles here:https://repertoire.bmi.com/Search/Search?Main_Search_Text=Charles%20Thompson%20michael&Main_Search=Catalog&Search_Type=all&View_Count=20&Page_Number=1&Part_Type=WriterList&Part_Id=CbxQZOBJglMSZyahenTXww%253d%253d&Part_Id_Sub=YO0HedHMatLb45JzS23DVw%253d%253d&Part_Cae=YrwdbHMdO0nTu95wj%252f4qtQ%253d%253d&Original_Search=Writer%2FComposer

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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <

2966 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2022 :  04:22:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Bill for the links

Where do O Little Cloud, The Wolves Came Out, and… can’t remember, fit into the chronology?
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
1075 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2022 :  04:56:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cloud, Wolves and Um Chagga Lagga were a happy Halloween from blackfrancis.net around 2014 (not too sure of the year) - demos with Jeremy Dubs on drums.

The file name was 'Super Lecker Mastered' so presume there's an albums worth of demos from then. Funny just posted in the abandoned projects then saw this! I'm sure Cloud has been recorded by Pixies - I remember a BF post on social media with Pixified music of cloud. I've tried to find it recently but no luck, maybe I invented it ha, though I still really would love to hear any version of O Little Cloud.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 10/20/2022 :  06:38:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh man Pixies version of O Little Cloud would be great!
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