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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 08/25/2022 : 11:24:44
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Frank is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when it comes to trying to sound like the Pixies. If he does it, it comes across as kind of fake or forcing it, because we all know his songwriting style changed a lot after the Pixies and it is kind of strange to go backwards to writing like you are a 20 year old again.
But if he doesn't it's just like well, he's forcing the Pixies bandmembers to basically play Frank and the Catholics songs, and that's a strange situation, and the songs aren't as dynamic and unpredictable and don't really feel like what Pixies songs typically should be.
I do not have the answers... |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2022 : 07:22:31
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/26/2022 : 07:58:59
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| Just realised what Joey's guitar stabs on Moon On reminded me of, namely the verse in Rio by Duran Duran. Maybe Doggerel will be embracing a New Romantic style. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/26/2022 : 08:09:04
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
Frank is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when it comes to trying to sound like the Pixies. If he does it, it comes across as kind of fake or forcing it, because we all know his songwriting style changed a lot after the Pixies and it is kind of strange to go backwards to writing like you are a 20 year old again.
But if he doesn't it's just like well, he's forcing the Pixies bandmembers to basically play Frank and the Catholics songs, and that's a strange situation, and the songs aren't as dynamic and unpredictable and don't really feel like what Pixies songs typically should be.
I do not have the answers...
I think if it weren’t a business related decision the answer could have been don’t use the name Pixies for what you, Joey, Dave, and Kim S / Paz are doing. Maybe call it “Pix and Co” like the Dead or something. I don’t think the 2.0 songs will ever mix in with the 1.0 songs at a concert or on your playlist. But I love both and so do most of you. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2022 : 03:46:06
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I was wondering before about keyboard sounding pads in the podcast-snippets.
It's Paz herself! See at Chris Bigg's insta:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CgCi6GosC6p/
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 04:54:13
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Another nice bit of info:
"Doggerel is an album that pounced into being. Where Francis – aka Charles Thompson IV – would usually show up to album sessions with scraps of songs that needed working up as a group, this time he arrived with 40 finished songs in the bank, largely penned in a rush of productivity over the winter of 2021-2. For a year or more he’d been compiling Fifties-inspired country songs for an Americana solo album he was planning to make with Guided By Voices’ Bobby Bare Jr. But in initial remote Pixies sessions late in 2021 – producer Tom Dalgety working with Charles in Massachusetts before heading to LA to finish tracks with the rest of the band – Dalgety picked one of those tracks, ‘Human Crime’, to record with the band, and upended Pixies’ entire mindset."
Maybe this was posted before, don't know
But a country album turns Pixies songs is very nice to know
Another crossover with GBV (since Dave Phillips also played with Robert Pollard)!
find the whole bio here:
https://www.herfitzpr.net/pixies-doggerel-2022-3-bio-ex
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 05:02:38
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This is also very good:
"“not necessarily without any sophistication or complexity but it's nuanced…The punky punk stuff, I really like playing it but you just cannot artificially create that shit. I'm very hesitant to go there nowadays, simply because I know if I try to force it in any kind of way it's gonna fall flat, and there's all these other forms and moods that I'm interested in that when I attempt those, they don't fall flat to me. There's a lot of volume out there, but at some point the technology catches up with itself and it's like, okay, we can all be loud if we want to, we can all be as distorted as we want to, we can all be as rip-your-head-off as you want to. We can't really take it any further. Can we focus on some other things now? We’ve kind of done that. I want to try to make music that doesn't even involve electricity. I started to think like that, I started to think parameters.”
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3158 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 05:07:11
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oddball
- FB Fan -
Germany
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 05:30:42
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Sign me up for a Fifties-inspired Americana solo album as well! I hope this sees the light of day.
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 06:21:49
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Ah damn, that's too bad, I would have been interested in the solo album. I think Human Crime would have worked much better as an off-beat 50s country song than a power-pop single (the piano instrumental, for example, is lovely).
Edit: sounds like the record might still be on, but the Pixies got first dibs on any of the songs that Charles' originally wrote with the country album in mind. Wouldn't mind a country re-recording of Human Crime on the other album. |
Edited by - Brank_Flack on 08/29/2022 06:34:33 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 09:26:58
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There's a moon one totally sounds 50s/60s to me
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 10:03:42
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Another nice bit of info:
"Doggerel is an album that pounced into being. Where Francis – aka Charles Thompson IV – would usually show up to album sessions with scraps of songs that needed working up as a group, this time he arrived with 40 finished songs in the bank, largely penned in a rush of productivity over the winter of 2021-2. For a year or more he’d been compiling Fifties-inspired country songs for an Americana solo album he was planning to make with Guided By Voices’ Bobby Bare Jr. But in initial remote Pixies sessions late in 2021 – producer Tom Dalgety working with Charles in Massachusetts before heading to LA to finish tracks with the rest of the band – Dalgety picked one of those tracks, ‘Human Crime’, to record with the band, and upended Pixies’ entire mindset."
Maybe this was posted before, don't know
But a country album turns Pixies songs is very nice to know
Another crossover with GBV (since Dave Phillips also played with Robert Pollard)!
find the whole bio here:
https://www.herfitzpr.net/pixies-doggerel-2022-3-bio-ex
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Thanks for posting, that's interesting to hear. Bobby Bare Jr is credited as singing backing vocals on FM/RM. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
961 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 17:30:12
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2022 : 21:56:05
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2022 : 01:53:12
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Great to read that expanded bio!
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 08/31/2022 : 13:13:54
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| I genuinely wonder whether Vault of Heaven was conceived for the country or Pixies album? |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2022 : 13:15:21
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Originally posted by Sprite
Get ready for the Dregs of the Wine (tomorrow apparently)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R4fZsUYlzo
Wow, Good find. Nothing to hear yet
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oddball
- FB Fan -
Germany
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
961 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2022 : 17:32:20
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Pixies meets The Who?
Hmm
Ok....I will say this is more what I want out of the band in terms of the "what the hell did I just hear?" factor. Kind of exciting. Do I LIKE the song? Not sure yet. But this to me feels like the Pixies. That kind of don't give a fuck feel. Like the song isn't finished yet but put it the fuck on the album anyway. |
Edited by - Troubles A Foot on 09/05/2022 17:35:00 |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2022 : 19:37:14
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
Pixies meets The Who?
Hmm
Ok....I will say this is more what I want out of the band in terms of the "what the hell did I just hear?" factor. Kind of exciting. Do I LIKE the song? Not sure yet. But this to me feels like the Pixies. That kind of don't give a fuck feel. Like the song isn't finished yet but put it the fuck on the album anyway.
I totally agree. First thoughts:
A little off-kilter. Enough to make me listen again to see what I may have missed, and what BF is talking about, and isn’t as cookie cutter as the last single. BF’s vocals vary throughout which is always good. Starting to think the spoken word approach sounds better on him these days. It’s playful, quirky, unique. His yells are solid too. The song is still a little too straightforward in terms of structure but different enough I guess.
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3158 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2022 : 20:40:41
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Love it
Weird
Fun
Wanted more of it
Great track |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2022 : 21:35:42
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Love the parlando bits
Those were also present in the last podcast
We also heard the little solo there
And it's a good little piece of Joey
Best of the three singles
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2022 : 23:13:32
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Listening on spotify with the other tracks together.
25% of Doggerel, pretty nice
I will never grow tired of new FBF
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 00:51:45
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| The last section reminds me of the second half of Dog Sleep. I need a few more listens to see what I think of it. On first impressions I find it better than moon but I prefer vault. |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 04:41:13
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Interesting song indeed! The opening spoken lines deal with the unofficial reason why he separated from Jean if I remember well. He evoked that several times in interviews.
I'm curious to hear the rest of the album, anyway!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 04:52:04
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Yep, the whole story is about Joey and Frank and their first wives
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3158 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 06:05:30
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| I think the first 3 Doggerel songs are very strong. The man is doing it right. It’s just good music, very listenable. Looking forward to the balance of the album. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 07:07:10
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| Haven't listened yet, but this is the one Joey wrote the music for - correct? |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 07:19:49
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Haven't listened yet, but this is the one Joey wrote the music for - correct?
Yes - plus he wrote the lyrics to 'Pagan Man'. Don't think we've heard any snippets from that yet (along with a few others). |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/06/2022 : 08:00:57
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Originally posted by Ziggy
quote:
Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Haven't listened yet, but this is the one Joey wrote the music for - correct?
Yes - plus he wrote the lyrics to 'Pagan Man'. Don't think we've heard any snippets from that yet (along with a few others).
Does that mean Dregs and Pagan do not count among the 40 finished songs that Frank showed up with? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 08:20:13
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I believe so, maybe Pagan with a different set of lyrics
But Dregs of the wine came from Joey
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 10:13:56
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I believe so, maybe Pagan with a different set of lyrics
But Dregs of the wine came from Joey
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
The way Charles and Joey told it - Charles had "the chords", but a lyric hadn't come together by that point. Hence Joey having a go.
I take the "showing up to the sessions with 40 songs" thing with a pinch of salt. The story has evolved a little of late with the country album revelations, hasn't it? |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2022 : 10:25:46
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| I liked Dregs of the Wine upon first listen. Good vocal take by Charles, particularly in the verses, and I enjoyed the unpredictability of the song structure. |
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