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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
 Posted - 12/20/2020 : 15:15:39
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Pistolero
Out of curiosity: what don't people like about the Pixies B Sides cover? |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
962 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2020 : 16:20:18
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Originally posted by Jamie
Okay, but a sketch and a doodle are actually different things. A sketch is something that might be rough or unfinished, but it's done with thought. A doodle is thoughtless. I think that cover is more of a doodle.
This is strange to say. Who are you to say what anyone was thinking or not thinking while doing a drawing? I have doodled based on "thoughts" like millions of times in my life.
I have tons of sketchbooks. I happily call the drawings in them sketches or doodles interchangeably. They were all done with thought and without thought, sometimes within the same hand stroke. Again, semantics.
I also find it odd to dismiss the basic idea of "an album cover that captures its contents is better than one that doesn't" as something to keep in mind in the thread. I figured this was an uncontroversial notion and one most people already basically abided by.
Anyway, shocked at your SVN FNGRS choice. It's a stylish, graphically bold cover that perfectly captures the contents within. Great cover. I'd be curious about your reasoning of that over Pistolero, because I enjoy being convinced something I don't think is good is better than I gave it credit for. |
Edited by - Troubles A Foot on 12/20/2020 16:23:30 |
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Jamie
- FB Fan -
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2020 : 20:59:16
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This is strange to say. Who are you to say what anyone was thinking or not thinking while doing a drawing? I have doodled based on "thoughts" like millions of times in my life.
Who are you to say there was thought put into it? Nether of us know, we're just making judgements based on what we're looking at. That's all we can do. That's all this thread is.
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I have tons of sketchbooks. I happily call the drawings in them sketches or doodles interchangeably. They were all done with thought and without thought, sometimes within the same hand stroke. Again, semantics.
You can call it semantics if you want, but sketch and doodle are two different words that mean different things. I don't say that, the dictionary does.
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I also find it odd to dismiss the basic idea of "an album cover that captures its contents is better than one that doesn't" as something to keep in mind in the thread. I figured this was an uncontroversial notion and one most people already basically abided by.
I didn't dismiss the idea, I just wouldn't prioritize it over visual quality. And really, my original point wasn't that I disagreed with that idea, it was that I found your reasoning in defending the Abbabubba cover flimsy. Basically I disagree that the cover does a good job communicating something about the album because the songs, while rough, are at least competently done. The cover isn't.
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Anyway, shocked at your SVN FNGRS choice. It's a stylish, graphically bold cover that perfectly captures the contents within. Great cover. I'd be curious about your reasoning of that over Pistolero, because I enjoy being convinced something I don't think is good is better than I gave it credit for.
I pretty much summed up my thoughts in my previous post. The composition of Pistolero is a little more dynamic, it's got some visual movement back and forth. But I wouldn't put a huge separation between them; Pistolero would be my next vote. |
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ricj
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2020 : 05:11:54
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2020 : 07:55:22
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I am going to vote Pistolero this round as well. I don't really mind it, in fact I think it's better than Snake Oil for sure, but I'm kind of sick of hearing about it so maybe this will help those who have been clamoring for its ejection.
B-Sides is nice cover, not sure why people don't like it. It's become iconic and quite recognizable over the years. I've even seen it in mainstream movies.
Voting ends tomorrow morning, current polling is:
Pistolero - 3
Devil's Workshop - 1
B-Sides - 1
Svn Fingers - 1
Head Carrier - 1 |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2020 : 08:31:08
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And that is how Round 9 ends! Pistolero es no mas! (I still think it's a fine cover, but oh well.)
Round 10 starts now and will end on Christmas Eve. Don't be a grinch, get voting!
Gone:
Frank Black and the Catholics
Cult of Ray
Indie Cindy
Petit Fours
Let The People Speak
One More Road for the Hit
Honeycomb
Paley & Francis
Snake Oil
Abbabubba
Pistolero
Still surviving:
Come on Pilgrim
Surfer Rosa
Doolittle
Bossanova
Trompe Le Monde
B-Sides
Frank Black Self-Titled
TOTY
Oddballs
Dog in the Sand
Black Letter Days
Devil's Workshop
Show Me Your Tears
FMRM
Christmass
Bluefinger
SVN Fingers
Golem
NSE
Head Carrier
Beneath the Eyrie |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2020 : 11:24:10
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Thank you for putting an end to my struggle Bedbug.
Hmm, it's now between Devil's Workshop and Golem for me. I don't mind the Devil's Workshop concept, it just doesn't really cohere. It looks like a well done amateur job if that makes sense? I find the Golem, meanwhile, a bit bland.
I'll go with Devil's Workshop since someone else voted for it last round. |
Edited by - Brank_Flack on 12/22/2020 11:26:53 |
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stuczuba
= Cult of Ray =
471 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2020 : 11:29:36
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2020 : 16:09:21
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You are welcome Brank, hope it was satisfying for you :-)
I will be voting Devil's Workshop this round as well. What is it on the cover? A peacock or something?
The Golem cover is ok to me, but yeah, not awesome. I feel like the Golem album is such a production in and of itself that it deserved a more worthy cover.
Early polling:
Devil's Workshop - 2
Golem - 1 |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2020 : 17:06:03
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Off with Devil’s Workshop!
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If all you see is violins, then I make a plea in their defense. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2020 : 02:47:46
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little intermezzo: just out of nowhere i'm going to claim already that there's been massive voter fraud in this album cover survivor election.
we will require a lot of recounts and will go to every court in the country.
 it's educational |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2020 : 06:18:19
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Pixies B-Sides again. Why I don't like it, to me, it's a disjointed 3-panel affair where one panel is a simple font and either of the other two might have been okay as an album cover but put together they just don't "fit".
 "If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2020 : 12:12:05
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Head Carrier. To go, of course.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1335 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2020 : 13:04:32
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Wow you miss a few days round here and you miss at lot.
I am gonna go with Pixies B-Sides, because compared with every pror Pixies artwork it was an eysoore. Good music though. |
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Jamie
- FB Fan -
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2020 : 15:45:20
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 05:28:28
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Trompe le Monde
I dig the Pixies winged Logo
But I have always hated looking at the fake ass eyeballs bulging from the side of what looks like
some fake ass cow’s hide
Yuck!
It may have fooled me
but it has got to go |
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stuczuba
= Cult of Ray =
471 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 09:53:47
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:00:42
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quote:
Originally posted by danjersey
Trompe le Monde
I dig the Pixies winged Logo
But I have always hated looking at the fake ass eyeballs bulging from the side of what looks like
some fake ass cow’s hide
Yuck!
It may have fooled me
but it has got to go
For what it's worth Trompe le Monde is my second favourite cover in the P/FBF discography. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:16:47
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Twas the night before Christmass when all through the forum, not a creature was crawling, not even a golem. But Devil's Workshop has been voted off and is no more as round 10 comes to an end. Final tally:
Devil's Workshop - 3
Golem - 1
B-Sides - 2
Head Carrier - 1
Seven Fingers - 1
Trompe Le Monde - 1
Round 11 starts now and will conclude sometime on Saturday, about 48 hours from now. Merry Christmas every body!
Gone:
Frank Black and the Catholics
Cult of Ray
Indie Cindy
Petit Fours
Let The People Speak
One More Road for the Hit
Honeycomb
Paley & Francis
Snake Oil
Abbabubba
Pistolero
Devil's Workshop
Still surviving:
Come on Pilgrim
Surfer Rosa
Doolittle
Bossanova
Trompe Le Monde
B-Sides
Frank Black Self-Titled
TOTY
Oddballs
Dog in the Sand
Black Letter Days
Show Me Your Tears
FMRM
Christmass
Bluefinger
SVN Fingers
Golem
NSE
Head Carrier
Beneath the Eyrie |
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ricj
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:18:07
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| Still Head Carrier for me. I feel like all the 'new' Pixies albums don't stand up at all to the 'old' Pixies albums as far as the artwork goes. Beneath The Eyrie was slightly better but IC and HC just seem to be dialled in... |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:18:49
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quote:
Originally posted by danjersey
Trompe le Monde
I dig the Pixies winged Logo
But I have always hated looking at the fake ass eyeballs bulging from the side of what looks like
some fake ass cow’s hide
Yuck!
It may have fooled me
but it has got to go
From the day Trompe Le Monde came out to Christmas Eve 2020 I have never heard of anyone referring to those as eyeballs. Maybe I've been under a rock, or maybe you have an unusual viewpoint. Either way the TLM cover is one of the best. But respect to all opinions. |
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ricj
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:18:58
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| Arrgh I was literally a few minutes late getting my vote in! |
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ricj
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:20:49
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| I always thought the eyeballs on TLM were set in sugar? Looks horrifying and delicious at the same time. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 10:43:50
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Oh man sorry ricj! I’ll be glad to add your vote to the original tally, and look at it this way, you’re the first vote in round 11.
I agree with you re: 2.0 album covers: not great. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2020 : 13:08:02
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i always thought the trompe le monde cover was real eyes (goat? cow?) in salt.
+ the picture is rotated.
the eyes are lying in the salt, but because of the rotation, it maybe doesn't immediately look like that.
edit: an older thread about this: http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18705
and an article from 2008 (vaughan oliver): http://magnetmagazine.com/2008/01/16/under-cover-the-pixies/
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Trompe Le Monde (1991)
The idea was that it was supposed to be the surface of a planet, and (co-designer) Chris Bigg created it with salt. The title comes from trompe l’oeil (“fool the eye”), a technique in interior design where a mural on the wall is the same scale as the room but curtains are painted onto it. I used real bull’s eyes from the butcher; they were very hard to get a hold of because mad cow disease was rife at the time. But Simon Larbalestier, the photographer who shot all the Pixies covers with me, was very persuasive. Initially, we were going to put them in a bowl of water but didn’t realize the eyeballs would go all milky.
it's educational |
Edited by - Discoking on 12/24/2020 13:13:35 |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 12/25/2020 : 17:37:18
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I should have said god damn eyeballs
Whatever
Yuck |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 03:39:44
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christmass.
it's educational |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 06:26:42
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I’ll ride the Head Carrier wave in this round.
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If all you see is violins, then I make a plea in their defense. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 08:59:06
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I'll vote Christmass as well, ironic I suppose.
Late in the running tally is as follows:
Head Carrier - 2
Christmass - 2
Obviously we want to get as many votes in as possible, but it is Saturday. I'll wait to the end of the day and then Round 11 will be closed. Vote while you can. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1019 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 12:09:57
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The Golem.
I always thought TLM featured eyeballs in clouds. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 12:50:33
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HC to go.
TLM is amazing, in particular if you also count the inner sleeve with the rockets.
Also, the way and the font in which the band member names are presented on the cover, has something very majestic and imposing. Something like a powerful battleship gliding by.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 12:55:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Discoking
and an article from 2008 (vaughan oliver): http://magnetmagazine.com/2008/01/16/under-cover-the-pixies/
Amazing read, thank you!
So who has an idea to what song the frog on the Bossanova cover does relate to?
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3162 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2020 : 15:35:03
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All right all right, round 11 had to end sometime, and we have pushed Head Carrier over the cliff and down the drain. In retrospect it's kind of sad to see it go for some reason, but that's that.
Final tally:
Head Carrier - 3
Christmas - 2
The Golem - 1
Round 12 starts now, and we've still got a jumble of mid-level quality covers to work through before we get to the final five or so, so let the voting begin, and this round will wrap up sometime on Monday. Good luck.
Gone:
Frank Black and the Catholics
Cult of Ray
Indie Cindy
Petit Fours
Let The People Speak
One More Road for the Hit
Honeycomb
Paley & Francis
Snake Oil
Abbabubba
Pistolero
Devil's Workshop
Head Carrier
Still surviving:
Come on Pilgrim
Surfer Rosa
Doolittle
Bossanova
Trompe Le Monde
B-Sides
Frank Black Self-Titled
TOTY
Oddballs
Dog in the Sand
Black Letter Days
Show Me Your Tears
FMRM
Christmass
Bluefinger
SVN Fingers
Golem
NSE
Beneath the Eyrie |
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