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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  01:30:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which 2.0 song had the greatest potential and fell short?

I would say Silver Snail.

When I heard the solo live recording I thought that it was going to be some really sick Frank Black outer space thing kind of like Parry the Wind High, Low.

I'm not saying it's a total failure. But I do have to admit that I try to like it a lot more than I actually like it.

A second choice would be Indy Cindie. Again, the solo live is cool, but the actual song is not as great as I hoped.

Third would be Baal's Back. Man, I just think this should be so much more than it is on the album. It's more like Grandma's Back, and not in a Grandma Dynamite kind of way.

Thoughts?

Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  01:36:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And please, please, please may I never add O Little Cloud to this list. That would be a tragedy if it falls short.
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Sprite
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  02:15:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Grandma's Back, that's very funny. I think I like it more than you but I know what your getting at.

Edited by - Sprite on 02/11/2018 02:17:06
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  05:46:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Haha yeah I'm still a big fan of the studio version but hearing BF scream Baals live was something else.

Most of those songs are a little limp compared to live versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o1IlmWjXow Masher



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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  05:58:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, the studio version of Magdelena is fine but I wished it was more like the versions they did with Shattuck, especially the ohhhhhs during the chorus.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  06:46:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe I picked the songs I picked because I heard demos / live versions first?

For instance I'm also thinking Andro Queen could have been even better. But I love Andro Queen.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  06:47:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone else agree about Silver Snail? I feel like it could have been so different; creepier, funkier, catchier.

I wish David Bowie could do a cover of it.
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  07:49:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the solo version is OK while the studio version is just shite. It's just a poor song. Pardon the pun but it's too sluggish.
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Posted - 02/12/2018 :  01:12:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, about Masher, the solo version had greater potential than the steroÔds-fueled HC version with those strange volume shifts during choruses. Good song, sounds OK, but I was hoping for something else.

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jake3
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Posted - 02/12/2018 :  07:47:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah I agree with Silver Snail. Greens and Blues needed to be somewhat faster than the studio version. The live intro to Magdalena would have been cool to hear properly recorded and lends weight to the idea the band should have given some tracks a longer gestation period and perhaps tried them out live (as a band) first, even though I guess that would have ruined the surprise (for most). The music video intro to Blue Eyed Hexe is neat, though that's probably something the video creator made, the album needed some weirder moments like that. Another Toe in the Ocean, Andro Queen and Jamie Bravo are all far too slick for my tastes and Ring the Bell is beyond saving.

In terms of Head Carrier I'd say Classic Masher, as it felt special when Frank initially played it live and I really don't like the studio intro. Baal's Back also. Not sure what on earth happened there.
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  00:07:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jake3
In terms of Head Carrier I'd say Classic Masher, as it felt special when Frank initially played it live and I really don't like the studio intro. Baal's Back also. Not sure what on earth happened there.


An abomination.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  05:12:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think Classic Masher is cool enough. Itís probably unfair to say it didnít live up to its potential just because there were a lot of people Super hyped on it.

I really think with Silver Snail somebody should have spoke up and said ďHey, this just didnít come out right, letís completley overhaul it.Ē
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  05:16:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also,
Re: Baalís Back; the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Black was trying to create an anti-type of experience, where itís like a potentially savage song is repressed / stifled in order to create some kind of effect.

In one way, Baalís Back is kind of like Dougie Jones from Twin Peaks. You know there is something way cooler inside, but the director is not giving you what you want / expect.
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  14:01:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still enjoy Baal's Back. It's the bastard child of mcluskey and Pixies and that's a good thing.
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Discoking
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  21:52:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i love baal's back.


it's educational
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picpic
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Belgium
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  03:26:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great song onstage. HC version sucks.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  04:06:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Re: Baalís Back, I ďlikeĒ it too, but that isnít the question here, as much as, ďDid it live up to its potential?Ē I think even if you like it you admit that the studio version could be better.

I like Silver Snail too, but itís my #1 pick for missed potential.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  18:52:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This live version of silver snail is ill. Not too much diff than studio, but love the Frank of it all

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91a84KoaYds

Edited by - Bedbug on 02/16/2018 18:53:00
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  18:53:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With Shattuck!
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Bedbug
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Posted - 10/30/2018 :  11:07:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After kicking this topic around in my head for a while...

I am still sticking with Silver Snail.

A great concept and good song that could have been really, really good.

If they mess up O Little Cloud then that will take the top spot in my opinion.
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Sprite
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Posted - 10/30/2018 :  12:09:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good question, definitely got me thinking. I am going to go for Classic Masher as the melody is brilliant but I find the track almost unlistenable because of the production but also it feels a bit stilted in the execution up until the point it speeds up.


Edited by - Sprite on 10/30/2018 23:01:47
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yarbles
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Posted - 10/30/2018 :  12:51:37  Show Profile  Visit yarbles's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I kind of agree Sprite. The solo versions of Classic Masher Charles played in 2013 were really promising.... had a much better vibe/almost somber quality to it. I like the Head Carrier version (although I agree the first bit drags until Dave comes in with the full beat)... but all in all I liked the original solo version better.
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sdon
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Posted - 10/30/2018 :  22:27:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Solo versions of Andro Queen, Greens and Blues, Silver Snail, Indie Cindy... were marvellous, weird, deep, lo-fi, moving
Production made them too slick, slow, predictable.

Bagboy is the real achievement on IC, always better than live versions it seems (except maybe vocally on the outro)
Oona is the gem on HC


Hope they nail Please Don't Go





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yarbles
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  00:09:46  Show Profile  Visit yarbles's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I actually prefer what Bagboy turned into in later live versions, after Paz had joined.... BF's vocals became more unhinged and screamy/yelpy. It seemed to flow better too in my opinion, with longer bluesy-esque intros with just the drums and Paz's foot organ....
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sdon
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  01:10:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by yarbles

I actually prefer what Bagboy turned into in later live versions, after Paz had joined.... BF's vocals became more unhinged and screamy/yelpy. It seemed to flow better too in my opinion, with longer bluesy-esque intros with just the drums and Paz's foot organ....



meh
extended intro always sounded filler to me

Studio version has a nice balance / length, and an almost albinesque sound

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Bedbug
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  01:50:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Boy, Bagboy is a mixed bag isnít it?

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Jeepster
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  09:43:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm still absolutely baffled by Bagboy. I can't even formulate an opinion because that song just confuses me

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Bedbug
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  10:03:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes absolutely, thatís what I mean and how I feel:

I like and dislike Bagboy at the same time. A very challenging experience in good and bad ways.

If all of 2.0 could have been that way it would have really been something

Edited by - Bedbug on 10/31/2018 10:04:09
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  11:23:00  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think Indie Cindy feels more like a Pixies album exactly because it's so confusing and exciting and unpredictable...Headcarrier has some solid pop songs but Indie Cindy is a freak.

I think Greens and Blues is really ruined by the overcompression and all that stuff. That acoustic intro should be quiet and then your face should melt when the whole band kicks in. Instead they are the same volume as one acoustic guitar.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 11/03/2018 :  04:46:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

I think Indie Cindy feels more like a Pixies album exactly because it's so confusing and exciting and unpredictable...Headcarrier has some solid pop songs but Indie Cindy is a freak.

I think Greens and Blues is really ruined by the overcompression and all that stuff. That acoustic intro should be quiet and then your face should melt when the whole band kicks in. Instead they are the same volume as one acoustic guitar.



Agreed that IC is freakish, but that's not always a good thing.
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 11/03/2018 :  07:50:00  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I like the album a lot more than Head Carrier, I was really surprised by the general consensus here (and in like every review) that Head Carrier was some sort of return to form or back to basics Pixies album. Not just surprised, totally baffled. I don't hear it as that at all. Aside from maybe 2 or 3 songs I don't like, Indie to me feels like a crazy weird classic kind of Pixies album.
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Posted - 11/03/2018 :  09:51:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sdon
Oona is the gem on HC


Oona is marvelous.

And What Goes Boom gets me every time. This song could easily fit on Trompe. Thatís the kind of sound Iím missing the most on HC (and supposedly on the next one).

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Bedbug
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Posted - 11/07/2018 :  11:51:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can admit that What Goes Boom has grown on me, as has a lot of IC.

HC on the other hand is trending down. Even my once beloved Tenement Song hardly gets a listen any more.

Strange days.
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Posted - 11/08/2018 :  04:51:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

I can admit that What Goes Boom has grown on me, as has a lot of IC.

I bet Another Toe is on your daily playlist !

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Edited by - picpic on 11/08/2018 04:51:42
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Bedbug
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Posted - 11/08/2018 :  07:18:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

I can admit that What Goes Boom has grown on me, as has a lot of IC.

I bet Another Toe is on your daily playlist !

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I was never really a toe hater. I would gladly listen to it today! But no, it does not even remotely resemble the band called "The Pixies." Sounds more like a mid 90s alternative one hit wonder band that you hear at the mall.
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Posted - 11/08/2018 :  10:04:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds very Pixies to my ears, but whatever ! I guess we all hear different things.
Same opinion on Jaime Bravo then ? I love this song. Chord progressions, great Santiago score, the whole bullfighting imagery and, intriguingly enough, never performed onstage

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