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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  01:30:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which 2.0 song had the greatest potential and fell short?

I would say Silver Snail.

When I heard the solo live recording I thought that it was going to be some really sick Frank Black outer space thing kind of like Parry the Wind High, Low.

I'm not saying it's a total failure. But I do have to admit that I try to like it a lot more than I actually like it.

A second choice would be Indy Cindie. Again, the solo live is cool, but the actual song is not as great as I hoped.

Third would be Baal's Back. Man, I just think this should be so much more than it is on the album. It's more like Grandma's Back, and not in a Grandma Dynamite kind of way.

Thoughts?

Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  01:36:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And please, please, please may I never add O Little Cloud to this list. That would be a tragedy if it falls short.
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Sprite
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  02:15:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Grandma's Back, that's very funny. I think I like it more than you but I know what your getting at.

Edited by - Sprite on 02/11/2018 02:17:06
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  05:46:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Haha yeah I'm still a big fan of the studio version but hearing BF scream Baals live was something else.

Most of those songs are a little limp compared to live versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o1IlmWjXow Masher



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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  05:58:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, the studio version of Magdelena is fine but I wished it was more like the versions they did with Shattuck, especially the ohhhhhs during the chorus.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  06:46:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe I picked the songs I picked because I heard demos / live versions first?

For instance I'm also thinking Andro Queen could have been even better. But I love Andro Queen.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  06:47:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone else agree about Silver Snail? I feel like it could have been so different; creepier, funkier, catchier.

I wish David Bowie could do a cover of it.
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/11/2018 :  07:49:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the solo version is OK while the studio version is just shite. It's just a poor song. Pardon the pun but it's too sluggish.
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Belgium
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Posted - 02/12/2018 :  01:12:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, about Masher, the solo version had greater potential than the steroďds-fueled HC version with those strange volume shifts during choruses. Good song, sounds OK, but I was hoping for something else.

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jake3
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Posted - 02/12/2018 :  07:47:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah I agree with Silver Snail. Greens and Blues needed to be somewhat faster than the studio version. The live intro to Magdalena would have been cool to hear properly recorded and lends weight to the idea the band should have given some tracks a longer gestation period and perhaps tried them out live (as a band) first, even though I guess that would have ruined the surprise (for most). The music video intro to Blue Eyed Hexe is neat, though that's probably something the video creator made, the album needed some weirder moments like that. Another Toe in the Ocean, Andro Queen and Jamie Bravo are all far too slick for my tastes and Ring the Bell is beyond saving.

In terms of Head Carrier I'd say Classic Masher, as it felt special when Frank initially played it live and I really don't like the studio intro. Baal's Back also. Not sure what on earth happened there.
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Belgium
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  00:07:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jake3
In terms of Head Carrier I'd say Classic Masher, as it felt special when Frank initially played it live and I really don't like the studio intro. Baal's Back also. Not sure what on earth happened there.


An abomination.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  05:12:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think Classic Masher is cool enough. It’s probably unfair to say it didn’t live up to its potential just because there were a lot of people Super hyped on it.

I really think with Silver Snail somebody should have spoke up and said “Hey, this just didn’t come out right, let’s completley overhaul it.”
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  05:16:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also,
Re: Baal’s Back; the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Black was trying to create an anti-type of experience, where it’s like a potentially savage song is repressed / stifled in order to create some kind of effect.

In one way, Baal’s Back is kind of like Dougie Jones from Twin Peaks. You know there is something way cooler inside, but the director is not giving you what you want / expect.
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  14:01:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still enjoy Baal's Back. It's the bastard child of mcluskey and Pixies and that's a good thing.
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Discoking
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Belgium
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  21:52:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i love baal's back.


it's educational
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  03:26:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great song onstage. HC version sucks.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  04:06:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Re: Baal’s Back, I “like” it too, but that isn’t the question here, as much as, “Did it live up to its potential?” I think even if you like it you admit that the studio version could be better.

I like Silver Snail too, but it’s my #1 pick for missed potential.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  18:52:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This live version of silver snail is ill. Not too much diff than studio, but love the Frank of it all

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91a84KoaYds

Edited by - Bedbug on 02/16/2018 18:53:00
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/16/2018 :  18:53:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With Shattuck!
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