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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 09/03/2016 : 10:18:19
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Peter Radiator
Thank you for the insightful read. It was therapeutic.
Your last paragraph resonated very strongly with me.
And your epiphany reminded me of how for my own understanding, I've come to refer to Pixies 1.0 as "Charles and the Pixies" (or FBF instead of Charles if you prefer.). It's just helped me process his corpus of work, sort of like reversing the Documentary Hypothesis of Graf-Welhausen. They're all his songs. Pixies was him. Pixies 2.0 is him. It's all been that guy, with various supporting casts over the years.
But again back to your last paragraph: he must know there are many who would love to hear those FB and FB and C's songs with full band support. Like, what would your dream setlist be from his entire catalog, and who would make up the band?
Thanks for your kind words.
In all honesty, whenever questions like yours regarding dream lineups and idealized setlists come up (and they do from time to time regarding other artists I dig), I have a hard time even getting into that headspace.
I truly enjoy watching songwriters and musicians playing whatever brings them joy at a given moment, with whomever they prefer to accompany them at that same moment.
For me, it's all about observing them while they derive pleasure or at least some sort of pride in a job well executed. That's what excites me.
I have seen shows where FBF looked and sounded rather bored or unhappy to be there (quite rarely, though), and I have seen shows where he was clearly more engaged and "into" it - sometimes while playing almost the exact same set with the exact same musicians.
I appreciated the former shows greatly, but I enjoyed the latter shows immensely.
That's about all I can offer!
~ L.F.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/07/2016 : 21:50:30
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Dutch magazine Oor interviewed all four Pixies:
Joey called IC an experimental record
Frank said not experimental but transitional
Frank doesn't care which producer works with them. 4AD came up with Albini and Norton. PIAS with Dalgety.
Frank loves making records, doesn't care if it holds up against their legacy
Frank loves X, who never played new material after the reunion
Joey wanted HC to be an acoustic record like Come On Pilgrim.
They feel like a new band, because Paz is so 'Pazitive'.
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Sprite
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 02:05:07
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Dutch magazine Oor interviewed all four Pixies:
oves making records, doesn't care if it holds up against their legacy
Frank loves X, who never played new material after the reunion
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
X is ....Kim or am I missing something more obvious?
Incidentally the quality of the interviews is much better this time round than IC, not so much reading from a prepared script. I guess they are all a bit more relaxed. Having listened to the Paz interview I am not surprised they all seem to be a bit in love with her. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 02:19:57
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TheScooper
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 04:54:52
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| X was an awesome band, who also featured male/female vocals |
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Sprite
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 05:02:17
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| Ah I see, thanks, will check them out. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 06:54:52
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FBF is a big X fan, as am I.
They were a TRULY influential and pioneering West Coast punk/Americana group.
They went through a few different lineups after their glory years, but eventually reunited with the original four members that created their distinct sound, and despite their age, that classic lineup had lost none of its fire, fury, energy or chops.
After those members reunited, they began to tour about once every year and a half or so. However, in those tours they never deviate from only performing material that the original lineup write and recorded in their early records.
In other words, that lineup ONLY plays songs recorded by that exact lineup. This means that all their later material is off-limits, as the musicians onstage do not have to learn or play any tunes that were written or recorded by a later group of players under that band name.
They have expressed no interest in creating new material under that band name, and occasionally, some members of that reunited group get together under different side-project names, sometimes with other ancillary players, and that is how and when they perform some of the later X material which is not included in their official reunion gig sets.
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 07:56:01
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Dutch magazine Oor interviewed all four Pixies:
Joey called IC an experimental record
Frank said not experimental but transitional
I was interested to read these observations, as I had been ruminating on the repeated use by FBF in recent interviews of the term "transitional" to describe INDIE CINDY.
For whatever it may be worth, I do not think he is referencing the songs themselves or the production techniques as being of a "transitional" nature.
I have a strong feeling he is referring to the process of that record as serving to help he, Joey and David to "transition" back into the process of learning and arranging NEW songs, and then recording them for posterity.
It does not matter that the band had been "back together" since 2004.
They were not TRULY back together until they began to actively struggle with newly-presented FBF songs, and grapple (individually and collectively) with how to get those songs ready for prime time and down on tape (to use a technological anachronism).
The couple of one-off studio dates over the previous several years to create quickie soundtrack or tribute album submissions did not really count.
Up until the sessions for INDIE CINDY, the band had gotten themselves VERY good at RE-CREATION. Those sessions (and the whole idea of the project, for that matter) was a ginormous risk in terms of credibility and viability, because it meant they had to get themselves back up to speed at CREATION, which is a whole 'nother ball of wax in terms of working together as a band.
The transitional phase resulted in proving to themselves that the three of them could absolutely make a very above-average record of new material for the modern age.
Now, armed with that knowledge, self-confidence and a wonderfully talented new bassist and violinist, they embarked on HEAD CARRIER as a full band, rather one that was suffering an abrupt "amputation," and which was forced to complete those likely grueling sessions with a (somewhat familiar) hired hand holding down the bottom end.
In this respect, it is the first post-reunion Pixies album that is a true, enthusiastic full-band effort, and it is also the first post-reunion Pixies album that is not encumbered with the dread that can only accompany the act of dipping one's toes in an ocean which looks and feels quite different than the last one you collectively swam in, almost 20 years before.
I would also like to add that after hearing so much negativity lately on these boards regarding the production, song composition, performances, etc..., on INDIE CINDY, that I - for one - think it is a GREAT album.
I loved it from the start, and it has grown on me way more over time.
Sure, I wish it were not as - wait for it - unduly compressed as it is at times, but overall, I think the songs are extremely solid, very well engineered, impressively performed and nicely sequenced.
There is not a single "alternative" rock band in this day and age (and I am including major, superstar acts) that would not give their right arms to make a record half as cavalierly baddass as that one.
In other words, I think it's a MORE than worthy addition to the Pixies catalog, not a half-baked effort or a middling exercise in nostalgia.
It truly feels to me like a rather logical, futuristic extension of the sounds, arrangements and songwriting styles they put forth on BOSSANOVA and TROMPE.
This new record appears to be something rather different, as well it should be. It is the first truly creative project by the next phase of the band, both mentally and member-wise. There is no albatross around the group's neck this time around - other than the one that some resolutely inflexible fans insist on hanging there without the Pixies' permission.
It sounds to me like some of the material on HEAD CARRIER may lean toward the "lighter weight" end of the spectrum in terms of lyrical content, as well as perhaps being "less ambitious" compared to INDIE CINDY in terms of the complexity of the musical compositions.
If that proves to be the case once the entire record is revealed, then so be it. I don't mind it when FBF or the Pixies play dumb with their art. In fact, some of my favorite moments from the band are some of their most simplistic and bombastic (either deceptively so, or otherwise).
I don't need them to blow my mind every time. Sometimes, it's all in the hips. "Talent" is in the hips. "Um Chagga Lagga" is ALL about the hips.
But yeah, nitpicking aside, INDIE CINDY is an absolutely great and varied collection of songs, played phenomenally well, and produced effectively and - I believe - sympathetically.
In time, I feel it will be resoundingly vindicated through reappraisal by many of its critics.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
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786 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2016 : 08:48:47
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I agree about the psychological transitional dimension of what you described, if not stylistically
I appreciate IC more now than before,:
- as an album as opposed to the EPs (I feel the whole "IC is a colection of EPs" interviews is a rewriting of history, as it was always intended as an album, and only released in EPs for marketing and market-polling purposes)
- as I now know most songs in their live format, often better than recorded (Snakes is way better in the recent concerts, for example)
Only complaint for me is the tracklist is brilliant up to about half of it
1. "What Goes Boom" 3:32
2. "Greens and Blues" 3:46
3. "Indie Cindy" 4:41
4. "Bagboy" 4:52
5. "Magdalena 318" 3:26
6. "Silver Snail" 3:29
7. "Blue Eyed Hexe" 3:11
8. "Ring the Bell" 3:34
9. "Another Toe in the Ocean" 3:46
10. "Andro Queen" 3:23
11. "Snakes" 3:45
12. "Jaime Bravo"
I don't include Women of War because of hugely different production and feel
Those 4 first songs of IC are impressive and could have been the perfect "return EP"
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/08/2016 : 10:39:58
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Originally posted by TheScooper
X was an awesome band, who also featured male/female vocals
X the band it is!
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pixie punk
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/11/2016 : 05:37:54
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by pixie punk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tw1to2B0Bk Paz audio interview.
PUERTO RICO PIXIE
I love how she describes Kim as being a phantom in here heart!
Great interview. I love Paz and I love the attitude and style she brings to the band. She's such a great addition and her influence is palpable if you listen for it. Those nokimnodeal idiots are dead-enders. Let them have their 25 year old fantasy. This is today. This is the Pixies now. And it's great.
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natenate101
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TheScooper
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 06:54:38
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"Not yet, no. That’ll be a discussion for the bus in the wee hours. We have been talking about the next one, but just a teeny weeny bit. It’s already known that we’re gonna do it, but we probably won’t start seriously talking about it for another six months. Or tomorrow! You never know with us."
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 06:54:41
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^^ interesting bits about Dalgety's seemingly huge role in selecting / filtering the songs and arrangements
funny also : "Head Carrier has the sonic hallmarks of a classic Pixies album – tungsten guitar riffage, sun-soaked harmonies, rhythmic pummel and lyrical intrigue"
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pixie punk
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 10:44:45
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Originally posted by natenate101
http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4150373-of-course-we-miss-kim-in-a-way---dis-meets-pixies
Q: I imagine there’s a pretty big tour coming up, and you’ll be on the road for a while, but have the four of you had any thoughts about what will happen beyond that, and what you might want the next album to be?
Joey: Not yet, no. That’ll be a discussion for the bus in the wee hours. We have been talking about the next one, but just a teeny weeny bit. It’s already known that we’re gonna do it, but we probably won’t start seriously talking about it for another six months.
The next one. Heh heh heh......:) |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 12:35:14
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| Reading that one I think saying Paz likes being a Pixie is the understatement of the year. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 13:37:33
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Originally posted by Sprite
Reading that one I think saying Paz likes being a Pixie is the understatement of the year.
It's interesting because she is a music vet but I suppose at this point in her career, having a steady gig with some "normal" rock legends must be awesome. So cool. |
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TheScooper
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 14:23:40
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Originally posted by sdon
^^ interesting bits about Dalgety's seemingly huge role in selecting / filtering the songs and arrangements
funny also : "Head Carrier has the sonic hallmarks of a classic Pixies album – tungsten guitar riffage, sun-soaked harmonies, rhythmic pummel and lyrical intrigue"
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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
I wonder if the presumed "keeper" that T.D. shot down was Super Lecker? |
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/12/2016 : 19:58:01
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Originally posted by TheScooper
I wonder if the presumed "keeper" that T.D. shot down was Super Lecker?
My thoughts too
Super Lecker seemed awful, pompous and anti-pixies, glad it's been aborted ;)
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 03:11:38
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| You arrived at that from a 30 second clip from a mobile???? |
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 03:20:06
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I sure did :)
30s is a relevant scale to decide if you like a song or not
iTunes previews are not so much longer
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 03:21:58
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| I guess you're not a fan of Sigur Ros? |
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 03:58:57
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ok, you got me
I do like Sigur Ros, and the likes of Godspeed! You Black Emperor etc.
Super Lecker's pop format seemed much more predictable and quickly "assessable"
I just didn't like the feel in Super Lecker, the vulgar bouciness of it. Though I may be completely wrong to think it was the song killed by Dalgety.
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TheScooper
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 06:48:21
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I really liked the 30 seconds of muffled, blown out footage of an early live performance of Super Lecker. Hope to hear it recorded it eventually.
The percussion elements sounded interesting, and FBF howling the word "hoooooooooves" got me jazzed up |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 08:19:08
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Super Lecker seemed to be another new song that repeated the title in the chorus numerous times.
The song cut could also have been Drive or Down to Toulon, right? |
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Sprite
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Posted - 09/13/2016 : 11:43:09
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Of course. Wilson might know for sure.
I was hoping that they at least recorded Super Lecker, Down in Toulon etc for use as B-sides or special one-off releases.
Re the vulgar bounciness I've learned not to take the initial live versions too seriously. Did not get Silver Snail at all from the live clips but it clicked when I heard the recorded version. Ditto Classic Masher (I hope!) |
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Sprite
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picpic
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 09/17/2016 : 11:29:34
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