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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 01/12/2014 : 07:41:05
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I am not sure what those of you who are hearing a "stream lined" sound on these EPs are hearing exactly. This collection of songs sounds as weird as ever and I doubt I will ever hear them on our bull shit indie music station. Just compare Tegan and Sara or the shins, or all those Adele rip offs, or U2 or Green day or all those OVER PRODUCED MGMT clones - they aren't even close.
I mean, another toe is radio friendlyish, but it still screams BF. |
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 08:06:08
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Yeah. The songs are very good, but the production is so mainstream/astonishingly compressed/loud that it discourages many listeners to hear the beauty that resides underneath. (Which is something I can totally understand BTW)
Sadly, it seems that by today standards, you can't sell any record which is not mastered that way.
I love those songs, but I can't listen to them as much as I want, because my ears are bleeding. Too bad.
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2014 : 09:38:54
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Originally posted by picpic
Yeah. The songs are very good, but the production is so mainstream/astonishingly compressed/loud that it discourages many listeners to hear the beauty that resides underneath. (Which is something I can totally understand BTW)
Sadly, it seems that by today standards, you can't sell any record which is not mastered that way.
I love those songs, but I can't listen to them as much as I want, because my ears are bleeding. Too bad.
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Just turn the treble down a few notches. I find Surfer Rosa come on pilgrim destroys my ears every time i listen to it. |
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =
Wallis and Futuna Islands
783 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2014 : 10:23:27
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Originally posted by vilainde
Snakes totally sounds like a Catholics song, only not played by the Catholics :( . Still, I love the song.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
when i heard the chorus my first thought was Duran Duran...
i like the song though. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 10:49:58
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Well I kinda like Duran Duran... There, I said it!
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Sprite
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 11:00:18
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| YES! First time I heard Snakes it was Duran Duran in the chorus but also early Divine Comedy when the backing vox break through at the end part. |
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 11:03:36
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Originally posted by The Champ
I am not sure what those of you who are hearing a "stream lined" sound on these EPs are hearing exactly. This collection of songs sounds as weird as ever and I doubt I will ever hear them on our bull shit indie music station. Just compare Tegan and Sara or the shins, or all those Adele rip offs, or U2 or Green day or all those OVER PRODUCED MGMT clones - they aren't even close.
I mean, another toe is radio friendlyish, but it still screams BF.
i don't understand your metric here. you listed a handful of disparate bands then made a pretty broad generalization.
i actually heard the pixies on the radio last night, alongside arcade fire and stephen malkmus. they sounded really good together.
i don't get a BF vibe from another toe at all, bridge aside, it could have been written by any ol alt. rock band.
as far as the streamlined sound, the songs still include FB/JS's idiosyncrasies, but all of the manic delivery is gone. everything is bassier. the song's are longer. the touchstones are more rooted in popular music, britpop, classic rock. the songs are far more digestible in melody and structure-- clear cut verses, choruses and bridges.
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =
Wallis and Futuna Islands
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 11:27:16
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Originally posted by vilainde
Well I kinda like Duran Duran... There, I said it!
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
when i was a kid i had an argument with my parents that DD were better than the Beatles... in my defense i only knew Please Please Me then. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 11:29:42
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Originally posted by tisasawath
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Originally posted by vilainde
Snakes totally sounds like a Catholics song, only not played by the Catholics :( . Still, I love the song.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
when i heard the chorus my first thought was Duran Duran...
i like the song though.
I thought about duran duran for andro queen, especially the drums. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 11:38:52
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Originally posted by IBreed
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Originally posted by The Champ
I am not sure what those of you who are hearing a "stream lined" sound on these EPs are hearing exactly. This collection of songs sounds as weird as ever and I doubt I will ever hear them on our bull shit indie music station. Just compare Tegan and Sara or the shins, or all those Adele rip offs, or U2 or Green day or all those OVER PRODUCED MGMT clones - they aren't even close.
I mean, another toe is radio friendlyish, but it still screams BF.
i don't understand your metric here. you listed a handful of disparate bands then made a pretty broad generalization.
i actually heard the pixies on the radio last night, alongside arcade fire and stephen malkmus. they sounded really good together.
i don't get a BF vibe from another toe at all, bridge aside, it could have been written by any ol alt. rock band.
as far as the streamlined sound, the songs still include FB/JS's idiosyncrasies, but all of the manic delivery is gone. everything is bassier. the song's are longer. the touchstones are more rooted in popular music, britpop, classic rock. the songs are far more digestible in melody and structure-- clear cut verses, choruses and bridges.
Not every song the pixies record should be a pathetic caricature of their old work. If they did that it would sound amazingly forced and way too similar to Mother Banger. In many ways it would be a parody.
Many, many Pixies songs are not delivered like a schizophrenic who discovers they really are following him. Velouria, Ana, Dig for Fire, Alec Eiffel, etc etc etc... I don't know why taking a laid back approach is considered a bad thing based upon their history.
Basically all pixies songs have clear choruses and bridges. We aren't talking about Jim Steinman compositions here. The basic pop element has always been in Pixies. They aren't particular difficult songs to learn either.
I have never heard a new Pixies song on the radio. And I mean radio, not Sirius or whatever internet stations you might be referring to. Internet stations play literally everything. |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 11:41:16
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That manic delivery you mention, not being there, it was inevitable and I'm so glad FB didn't try to replicate that sound, what he did prior to Bossanova.
The manic delivery is the sound of teenagers (extremely talented teenagers in this case) combining influences and doing something pretty innovative. Kind of like Throwing Muses. There's no way that manic stuff is happening again, twenty-years later. Just listen to the new Throwing Muses album. The talent is still all there, as is the case with The Pixies, but expecting to hear 'Broken Face' or 'Crackity Jones', it's just not going to happen.
Keep these new songs coming, guys, most of it is great stuff.
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 12:01:42
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by IBreed
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Originally posted by The Champ
I am not sure what those of you who are hearing a "stream lined" sound on these EPs are hearing exactly. This collection of songs sounds as weird as ever and I doubt I will ever hear them on our bull shit indie music station. Just compare Tegan and Sara or the shins, or all those Adele rip offs, or U2 or Green day or all those OVER PRODUCED MGMT clones - they aren't even close.
I mean, another toe is radio friendlyish, but it still screams BF.
i don't understand your metric here. you listed a handful of disparate bands then made a pretty broad generalization.
i actually heard the pixies on the radio last night, alongside arcade fire and stephen malkmus. they sounded really good together.
i don't get a BF vibe from another toe at all, bridge aside, it could have been written by any ol alt. rock band.
as far as the streamlined sound, the songs still include FB/JS's idiosyncrasies, but all of the manic delivery is gone. everything is bassier. the song's are longer. the touchstones are more rooted in popular music, britpop, classic rock. the songs are far more digestible in melody and structure-- clear cut verses, choruses and bridges.
Not every song the pixies record should be a pathetic caricature of their old work. If they did that it would sound amazingly forced and way too similar to Mother Banger. In many ways it would be a parody.
Many, many Pixies songs are not delivered like a schizophrenic who discovers they really are following him. Velouria, Ana, Dig for Fire, Alec Eiffel, etc etc etc... I don't know why taking a laid back approach is considered a bad thing based upon their history.
Basically all pixies songs have clear choruses and bridges. We aren't talking about Jim Steinman compositions here. The basic pop element has always been in Pixies. They aren't particular difficult songs to learn either.
I have never heard a new Pixies song on the radio. And I mean radio, not Sirius or whatever internet stations you might be referring to. Internet stations play literally everything.
it was terrestrial radio.
nowhere ever did i advocate the pixies creating "pathetic caricatures", nor is that even in the same ball park as frank writing uniquely frank music.
i listed several reasons why i felt the new songs were "streamlined", and in a completely uncharged way. they are observations, not judgements. the only song of the bunch i dislike was expressively named. i personally feel frank is showing considerable craft and growth as a songwriter in many of these songs.
the band has always dabbled in accessibility but never with the consistency of EP1/2.
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 12:06:13
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Originally posted by velvety
That manic delivery you mention, not being there, it was inevitable and I'm so glad FB didn't try to replicate that sound, what he did prior to Bossanova.
The manic delivery is the sound of teenagers (extremely talented teenagers in this case) combining influences and doing something pretty innovative. Kind of like Throwing Muses. There's no way that manic stuff is happening again, twenty-years later. Just listen to the new Throwing Muses album. The talent is still all there, as is the case with The Pixies, but expecting to hear 'Broken Face' or 'Crackity Jones', it's just not going to happen.
Keep these new songs coming, guys, most of it is great stuff.
...LP.
again, you guys are imputing judgement on my post that i did not intend or imply. i am making observations, not pleas for a return to. are EP1/2 more mainstream and accessible sounding? inarguably, far as i'm concerned. is that a bad thing? no, but it's not a good thing either. it actually doesn't matter an iota next to the songs.
and me? i like em (save for that that was already mentioned...) but it's ok to recognize the ways in which they're different than the older material. "different" is not a value judgement. |
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sdon
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 12:13:05
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I Agree EP1 and 2 are more digestible, but not all songs.
Bagboy (EP0?) was surprising (digital drums, spoken word...), Boom is very raw too. (Silver Snail, while not released yet, seems not obvious too)
AnotherToe is a fail mostly because of the college radio chorus. With another chorus (and lyrics,)it could have been a decent song.
Snakes is way more original. i can hear some Interpol in it, or as Joey said, some Steve Reich. Itīs very unconventional, except for the chorus which again could feature in a teen movie. Snakes is still globally way better than Toe, and good as the closing track.
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 12:20:32
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Originally posted by sdon
I Agree EP1 and 2 are more digestible, but not all songs.
Bagboy (EP0?) was surprising (digital drums, spoken word...), Boom is very raw too. (Silver Snail, while not released yet, seems not obvious too)
AnotherToe is a fail mostly because of the college radio chorus. With another chorus (and lyrics,)it could have been a decent song.
Snakes is way more original. i can hear some Interpol in it, or as Joey said, some Steve Reich. Itīs very unconventional, except for the chorus which again could feature in a teen movie. Snakes is still globally way better than Toe, and good as the closing track.
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yeah, and that combination on snakes really works. the chorus anchors it as something familiar in a sea of weird. indie cindy employs a similar trick to great effect. another toe is just straight familiar to my ears.
boom is rocking, but not in an intimidating or insular way, plus it has that incredibly melodic bit.
bagboy is definitely a fucked up song-- actually, i'd mentioned before-- it's less a song and more a performance piece. a great one at that, but a weird, weird choice as a "comeback" tune. my own opinion is that they would have faired better leading with "greens". |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 12:44:40
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Originally posted by IBreed
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Originally posted by sdon
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bagboy is definitely a fucked up song-- actually, i'd mentioned before-- it's less a song and more a performance piece. a great one at that, but a weird, weird choice as a "comeback" tune. my own opinion is that they would have faired better leading with "greens".
It seems to me that there is a distinct flavor of rebellion in songwriting, track selection for releases, and style of release. To make an analogy, it may not be a Dylan-goes-electric or Self Portrait style 'fuck off' to the sycophants and messiah worshipers, but it might be more along the lines of the intended impact of In Utero. You know - shake off some of the bullshit "legend" status and pedestal-placing attitude of the music world and newer fans in particular.
Basically a fuck you, here's what we're doing, and we like it. To them it's probably the same as ever from that standpoint.
In other words, if the releases are looked at as individual albums from a Dylan analogy perspective (I use him since his name comes up so often around here), Bagboy is Self Portrait, and the EP's are New Morning and Planet Waves...
...Actually, thinking of it that way, it implies that Blood on the Tracks and Desire are next! Mwah-hahahaha *rubbing hands with delight*
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2014 : 12:53:08
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As I said before, if Ep 1 and 2 were streamlined for the radio, they have totally failed because I have never heard them played at all in NA. I have heard old pixies on the radio far more times than new. Trust me, they are not radio friendly from a NA view point.
That is why I listed the above bands. They all get nauseating amount of radio play on the stations. Pixies would stand out. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 14:39:29
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Originally posted by IBreed
i personally like new Pixies, but there's no denying the presentation is way different. it's made for the mainstream, from songwriting to production.
Please don't take offense, but I guess I'm gonna have to deny that!
I truly see almost no substantive difference between how the band presents itself these days and how they did so in the past.
My feeling is, contrary to the perspective above, it's the "mainstream" which has finally caught up to a lot of what the Pixies and a handful of other bands were doing in the late '80s and early '90s, in terms of both songwriting and production (and what the group is continuing to do in its own particular way right now).
I don't mind an artist (or artists) "playing to the room" by taking advantage of recording and processing techniques that are available now that were not available in the earlier part of their careers.
I also think that the Pixies ALWAYS swung for the rafters, from day one. They wanted to be played on the radio, sell tickets to shows, be profiled in music mags and newspapers, and generally, you know, become successful and as popular as possible for doing what they felt like doing.
I see them now in the exact same way: they are doing what they want, how they want, with very few if any artistic compromises made solely for the sake of commerce, and they hope that as many people hear, buy, share, enjoy and ponder this new material as possible.
These EPs sound to me like a grown-up version of the Pixies whose members' record collections and musical influences and inspirations have continued to expand since 1993, as mine have.
That's the main reason I am loving these EPs so much in their totality.
They seem to reflect my own view of reality as much as the bands' - which is one of the things that endeared the group (and FBF in particular) to me so much the first time around.
I wouldn't have it any other way, and I think this is a goddamn great time to be a Pixies fan.
~ Peter Radiator
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 14:58:49
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I see nothing remotely mainstream about any of the new stuff. If this is "mainstream," then TOTY is Justin TImberlake
"A word to the wise is infuriating." |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 15:44:38
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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Originally posted by IBreed
i personally like new Pixies, but there's no denying the presentation is way different. it's made for the mainstream, from songwriting to production.
Please don't take offense, but I guess I'm gonna have to deny that!
I truly see almost no substantive difference between how the band presents itself these days and how they did so in the past.
My feeling is, contrary to the perspective above, it's the "mainstream" which has finally caught up to a lot of what the Pixies and a handful of other bands were doing in the late '80s and early '90s, in terms of both songwriting and production (and what the group is continuing to do in its own particular way right now).
I don't mind an artist (or artists) "playing to the room" by taking advantage of recording and processing techniques that are available now that were not available in the earlier part of their careers.
I also think that the Pixies ALWAYS swung for the rafters, from day one. They wanted to be played on the radio, sell tickets to shows, be profiled in music mags and newspapers, and generally, you know, become successful and as popular as possible for doing what they felt like doing.
I see them now in the exact same way: they are doing what they want, how they want, with very few if any artistic compromises made solely for the sake of commerce, and they hope that as many people hear, buy, share, enjoy and ponder this new material as possible.
These EPs sound to me like a grown-up version of the Pixies whose members' record collections and musical influences and inspirations have continued to expand since 1993, as mine have.
That's the main reason I am loving these EPs so much in their totality.
They seem to reflect my own view of reality as much as the bands' - which is one of the things that endeared the group (and FBF in particular) to me so much the first time around.
I wouldn't have it any other way, and I think this is a goddamn great time to be a Pixies fan.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
Were at a fundamental impasse then, Peter.
I'm not entirely sure I follow your argument; yes, the mainstream has been influenced by the Pixies. No, that does not preclude the Pixies from presenting their songs in a manner more becoming of broader tastes.
Again, there's a reactionary element to the responses here, like there's a cheerleader / naysayer binary. I'm not coming down on the band for going big, so to speak.
TOTY on a whole sounds so freaking weird. Headache and Speedy are accessible but man, that record takes some listening to to figure out. There's a reason it's a cult favorite and not the start of Franks mansion phase.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 20:07:25
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Melodically, When They Come To Murder Me is similar to some of the new songs taking flak for their melodies but WTCTMM's recorded sound is still very listenable to a fan of Pixies 88-91 sound.
Pixies once easily stood out in the pre-internet marketplace. It has now completely transformed from a large open space where everyone shared the same access points into a vast overlap of crowded side streets full of boutiques selling god knows what, and the new strategy, even where it's impacting recorded sound, reflects that I guess. That's how I'm rationalizing it.
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Posted - 01/12/2014 : 20:46:27
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Originally posted by sdon
AnotherToe is a fail mostly because of the college radio chorus. With another chorus (and lyrics,)it could have been a decent song.
Again, I have to ask... why does a hook or 'radio friendly' vibe necessarily translate to 'bad' when it comes to music? I hear this argument among a lot of veteran acts and it still doesn't make much sense to me.
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Originally posted by vilainde
Well I kinda like Duran Duran... There, I said it!
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
Nothing wrong with that. Some good music there!
First time I heard people compare Snakes or Andro Queen to them though... |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 03:57:19
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| I think what is bothering so many (ex?) fans is not strictly the commercial aspect of these songs, because "commercial" can be fun! It was a direction Trompe Le Monde already took, for example letter to memphis had this big macho guitar sound, it was good bad taste then, kinda shocking in the lofi ethics but also fun and crazy. No, what really hurts is the polished aspect of these EPS, because they also pretend to be rock songs, wich is impossible with such a production. We're not even into bad taste here, there is too just much control to rock and roll. If they wanted to produce it that way, it could have been a cool quiet slow paced pop record you could listen when you're really tired o when your ears hurt. But it's not even that, because they have those hundred of guitars and effects that wouldnt even let you rest! I can't find any moment i could listen to those absurd polished pseudo rocking song! They re schizophrenic in a non creative way. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 04:44:03
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| Letter to Memphis is one of the best songs they ever made. You guys are getting way to hung up on, quite frankly, insignificant aesthetics and miniscule details. It is more akin to OCD than anything else. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 05:03:49
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Letter to Memphis is one of the best songs they ever made. You guys are getting way to hung up on, quite frankly, insignificant aesthetics and miniscule details. It is more akin to OCD than anything else.
Of course! It's a fan blog: 100%OCD guaranted. But if people like those song i'm happy for them (both the fans and the pixies). |
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The New Bolero
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 05:11:41
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| I've been a fan since '88 and I'm enjoying the new stuff--albeit with some casual reservations here and there. But it seems like many on here are denying how melodic and tuneful so many of the Pixies 87-91 songs actually are. |
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 05:25:26
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Again, I have to ask... why does a hook or 'radio friendly' vibe necessarily translate to 'bad' when it comes to music? I hear this argument among a lot of veteran acts and it still doesn't make much sense to me.
To my mind, it doesn't. Another Toe is unexceptional because it forsakes anything that makes Frank's songwriting interesting... isn't that why we're here? Maybe I'm not taking into account those who just personally identify with the performer or those that like his voice or whatever other variable doesn't account for songwriting, but there's nothing in Another Toe that paints it as uniquely Black. It's an OK song, but I personally can't find anything worth defending about it. It's not even exceptionally good or bad outside of the Pixies context anyway. I just hope the tune is a footnote and not a mission statement moving forward. Given the rest of the material, I'm going to lean towards the former, but it's certainly a step too far in the wrong direction. |
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Jason
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 05:27:12
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Yeah, if someone had never heard these records before and read some of these comments, they would think there were synthesizers and cartoon sound effects on them. I just put on EP 1 (my copy of the 10") and earnestly tried to listen for oversweetening, synthetic tones, distractingly busy arrangements or anything at all sounds anomalous, sonically, next to other rock records by bands at around the Pixies level released in 2013 and '14.
Didn't hear nothin' like that. Just heard some cool songs (EP 1 is still my favorite of the two). It's a very clean sounding record, but this isn't a garage band.
Anyone get their EP 2 vinyl, yet, by the way? I haven't. |
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 05:30:13
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
I've been a fan since '88 and I'm enjoying the new stuff--albeit with some casual reservations here and there. But it seems like many on here are denying how melodic and tuneful so many of the Pixies 87-91 songs actually are.
I'm not, but they have never been as consistently singsongy and traditional as they have on the EPs. Far as I remember, Frank was even reticent to include Here Comes Your Man on Doolittle. Now he may as well be harmonizing with Liam Gallagher on Indie Cindy! I'm down with it. Really. It's totally my thing, but I don't get why there's such resistance to the idea that the Pixies are different now. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 05:54:15
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I find a huge irony in comparing the tabs of Another Toe and Green and Blues. One *looks* like a Frank Black song and one looks like what you might imagine a Nickelback song to look like. But not in the order you'd expect. But then again I don't think Another Toe sounds like Nickelback
GnB
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21130
Toe
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21101
PS Credit picpic and BrankFlack
By the way my EP2 is here but I can't play it as I broke my record player playing EP1 :(
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 06:10:10
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Originally posted by IBreed
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
I've been a fan since '88 and I'm enjoying the new stuff--albeit with some casual reservations here and there. But it seems like many on here are denying how melodic and tuneful so many of the Pixies 87-91 songs actually are.
I'm not, but they have never been as consistently singsongy and traditional as they have on the EPs. Far as I remember, Frank was even reticent to include Here Comes Your Man on Doolittle. Now he may as well be harmonizing with Liam Gallagher on Indie Cindy! I'm down with it. Really. It's totally my thing, but I don't get why there's such resistance to the idea that the Pixies are different now.
You do realize he modeled a lot of his early music on Buddy Holly?
And you never hear anyone singing along with debaser, wave of mutilation, tame, holiday song, allison etc etc etc.... |
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 06:16:10
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by IBreed
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
I've been a fan since '88 and I'm enjoying the new stuff--albeit with some casual reservations here and there. But it seems like many on here are denying how melodic and tuneful so many of the Pixies 87-91 songs actually are.
I'm not, but they have never been as consistently singsongy and traditional as they have on the EPs. Far as I remember, Frank was even reticent to include Here Comes Your Man on Doolittle. Now he may as well be harmonizing with Liam Gallagher on Indie Cindy! I'm down with it. Really. It's totally my thing, but I don't get why there's such resistance to the idea that the Pixies are different now.
You do realize he modeled a lot of his early music on Buddy Holly?
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 06:21:56
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| Of course people sing along to Tame and Allison and guitar solos and death metal and ringtones. It doesn't mean they're all cut from the same cloth. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 06:34:29
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Sorry, this is silly. In my opinion of course.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/13/2014 : 06:45:52
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I see nothing remotely mainstream about any of the new stuff. If this is "mainstream," then TOTY is Justin TImberlake
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
We're all in this together, johnnyribcage.  |
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