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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
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 Posted - 01/06/2014 : 21:54:29
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I don't see things like that.
They're not JUST new songs from BF, line Golem or Nonstoperotik may be.
Because Joey's style and David's drumming are so distinctive, they become Pixies songs.
And they undeniably sound Pixies, we all find analogies to older tunes, though mostly with the more recent albums if I dare say: Bagboy, Boom, Hexe have a Trompe feel, Andro, Cindy and Magdalena could be related to Bossanova. I even think that Snakes has a bit of Letter To Memphis in the vocal rendition or chorus structure, and that Greens & Blues is more akin to Dig For Fire than to Gigantic.
I like those reminiscences, because even though they are fresh songs, they still can be compared to previous material, and I would exactly call them follow-up, even with the 20 years in space narrative by Gil Norton, but still a distant follow-up. That's what I think those songs are, and what I hoped they would be. Not pale copies, not revolutionized either.
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bebio
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Posted - 01/06/2014 : 23:43:21
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Wow, speaking as a musician, I too would love to hear those early demos to see how the songs evolved. I think I would learn a lot.
What the Pixies are achieving with these songs is nothing short of extraordinary. It's really top-notch songwriting. And I am so glad that we are talking only about the music again. I admit I got caught up in this whole unnecessary drama made up by the music media who are nothing but tabloids. It made me really upset and it reflected on my judgement of the band. Now that I see that it was all blown up out of proportion, and we have a new release, it really confirms my belief that the Pixies are 110% relevant in this day and age. I hope from now on, there will be nothing but music to talk about.
I had initial reservations about the production, but it feels right to me now. The voice processing does not seem to be auto-tune to me, but possibly a lot of harmonic saturation mixed with pitch-shifting, reverb and compression. To be sure, there is a reasonable amount of compression here, but I am convinced that the main sonic element in these recordings, or what gives them this "alien" quality is harmonic saturation mixed with compression and limiting, especially in the drums and guitars of Another Toe, and some back vocals of Indie Cindy.
For me, this EP series is the best way to go, not just for us but also for the band. We need to get slowly used to what the 21st century Pixies are, and to weed out the people who are stuck in the past. The band needed years to get back into that particular headspace and mindset, and produce songs that can bridge the gap between the outer-space themes of Bossanova and Trompe le Monde. I think after this set of Eps is over, and people who stuck around realize the good songwriting, then they will feel confident in releasing a full-length which takes the Pixies into yet another direction.
As for the world, I don't know how people can be so cynical. Suddenly, out of nowhere, we have tons of people claiming that they were big fans in their heyday crying foul and feeling butthurt over anything they can pick on in the new songs, and criticizing the people who like the new songs. But the Pixies were never that famous, which makes the whole thing look fishy and ridiculous. Time will vindicate the Pixies, that's for sure.
As for my ideal tracklist, I really loved what they did in the tours so far, starting with In Heaven, seguing into Andro Queen. It would have been lovely to see it reflected in the EP, but that's all right.
So, sticking with the notion that they are coming back to earth after 20 years:
In Heaven
Andro Queen
Magdalena 318
What Goes Boom
Bagboy
Greens & Blues
Another Toe
Snakes
Blue Eyed Hexe
Indie Cindy
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 00:38:46
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Well said bebio! I'm loving EP2!
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
Edited by - fumanbru on 01/07/2014 02:46:50 |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2014 : 08:28:36
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I believe some people here said Greens and Blues sounded like oasis or something they cant put the finger on, it's of course the Beatles!
It's certainly some kind of homage...
It's like having the begining of this:
Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanging all you see
...with the ending of this one:
I'll try so hard to be someone but it all works out; it doesn't matter much to me
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monkeytwohands
- FB Fan -
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2014 : 09:00:35
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Originally posted by Grotesque
I believe some people here said Greens and Blues sounded like oasis or something they cant put the finger on, it's of course the Beatles!
It's certainly some kind of homage...
It's like having the begining of this:
Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanging all you see
...with the ending of this one:
I'll try so hard to be someone but it all works out; it doesn't matter much to me
Funny, my 7 year old son heard Snakes and asked if they were trying to sound like "Wait" off of Rubber Soul.
Here I am for your judgement
When the paint grows darker still
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 10:40:56
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Originally posted by frankblackphx
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Originally posted by Grotesque
I believe some people here said Greens and Blues sounded like oasis or something they cant put the finger on, it's of course the Beatles!
It's certainly some kind of homage...
It's like having the begining of this:
Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanging all you see
...with the ending of this one:
I'll try so hard to be someone but it all works out; it doesn't matter much to me
Funny, my 7 year old son heard Snakes and asked if they were trying to sound like "Wait" off of Rubber Soul.
Here I am for your judgement
When the paint grows darker still
Holy crap I'm definitely hearing Wait in there. In my head anyway - I haven't A/B'd them.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
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BunsenH
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 11:11:14
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by frankblackphx
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Originally posted by Grotesque
I believe some people here said Greens and Blues sounded like oasis or something they cant put the finger on, it's of course the Beatles!
It's certainly some kind of homage...
It's like having the begining of this:
Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanging all you see
...with the ending of this one:
I'll try so hard to be someone but it all works out; it doesn't matter much to me
Funny, my 7 year old son heard Snakes and asked if they were trying to sound like "Wait" off of Rubber Soul.
Here I am for your judgement
When the paint grows darker still
Holy crap I'm definitely hearing Wait in there. In my head anyway - I haven't A/B'd them.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual.
Well... add me to the list. I found myself singing "Wait" after the first time I heard the song. |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2014 : 11:21:50
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Just listening to ep2 for the first time today, having deliberately avoided new songs on youtube etc.
Early days of course but my first impressions are:
Blue Eyed Hexe - don't mind it but (musically) it's a bit hackneyed to me, particularly the chorus. If it came on the radio and I didn't know it was Pixies I'm pretty sure it'd be in-one-ear-out-the-other. Well, apart from when Joey lets rip - that's joyous.
Magdelena - liked this straight away. Instantly memorable, right up there with the best for me.
Greens and Blues - don't like this at all first couple of listens. It just makes my heart sink in the same way Another Toe did for some. To me, it could be anyone, totally anonymous and just too...nice. I may, of course, love it in the days to come!
Snakes - like it a lot. Erm..can't think of anything to say about it at the moment other than that. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
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rivum
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2014 : 03:04:35
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that review made me wonder: what if they are intentionally choosing their weaker songs to release first, and then gradually put out (what they believe to be) their best tracks, to work people up to it??
it's an interesting concept, and certainly better than the polar opposite alternative - leading off strong and having people be more and more dissapointed as the EPs come out.
food for thought... |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2014 : 03:56:10
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| Did not read the review. But what you describe would be good plan, except there's no way Magdalena, Andro Queen (I love it to death, what can I do?), Indie Cindy, Greens and Blues, Bagboy, are weaker songs in any type, shape or form, taken from a bunch of songs recorded by a band. This statement is just a scientific fact. For the Pixies or any other band out there, for that matter. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 06:15:36
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Originally posted by velvety
Did not read the review. But what you describe would be good plan, except there's no way Magdalena, Andro Queen (I love it to death, what can I do?), Indie Cindy, Greens and Blues, Bagboy, are weaker songs in any type, shape or form, taken from a bunch of songs recorded by a band. This statement is just a scientific fact. For the Pixies or any other band out there, for that matter.
Exactly. I'm sure they are mixing the EPs up to feature different types of songs, trying to round them out as much as a 4 track release can be rounded out. I think they are doing a decent job of it as well. |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2014 : 09:46:53
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Originally posted by OLDMANOTY
Greens and Blues - don't like this at all first couple of listens. It just makes my heart sink in the same way Another Toe did for some. To me, it could be anyone, totally anonymous and just too...nice. I may, of course, love it in the days to come!
...and sure enough, 1 day later and I really like it. Hexe too. That'll learn me. |
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 10:09:47
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| LOL great call on "wait" and the "it doesn't matter much to me" part. pulling from the beatles is A-OK in my books. it's not like they're not getting their due or anything. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 10:11:15
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Originally posted by velvety
Did not read the review. But what you describe would be good plan, except there's no way Magdalena, Andro Queen (I love it to death, what can I do?), Indie Cindy, Greens and Blues, Bagboy, are weaker songs in any type, shape or form, taken from a bunch of songs recorded by a band. This statement is just a scientific fact. For the Pixies or any other band out there, for that matter.
it depends on how you want to qualify the songwriting.
for instance, bagboy isn't a great "song", but it's a great performance piece. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2014 : 11:16:53
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Originally posted by IBreed
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Originally posted by velvety
Did not read the review. But what you describe would be good plan, except there's no way Magdalena, Andro Queen (I love it to death, what can I do?), Indie Cindy, Greens and Blues, Bagboy, are weaker songs in any type, shape or form, taken from a bunch of songs recorded by a band. This statement is just a scientific fact. For the Pixies or any other band out there, for that matter.
it depends on how you want to qualify the songwriting.
for instance, bagboy isn't a great "song", but it's a great performance piece.
The thing with bag boy is that the production doesnt help me to actually listen to the song. At the begining i tought it was some kind of lazy jam because i couldnt hear any chord change and the bass was kind of muddy. All these songs are a bit like that: they re like trapped into some fancy shells. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 17:39:19
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Originally posted by OLDMANOTY
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Originally posted by OLDMANOTY
Greens and Blues - don't like this at all first couple of listens. It just makes my heart sink in the same way Another Toe did for some. To me, it could be anyone, totally anonymous and just too...nice. I may, of course, love it in the days to come!
...and sure enough, 1 day later and I really like it. Hexe too. That'll learn me.
That's a classic Black tune for ya! He's had me talking smack one day and completely eating crow as soon as I had some time to listen over and over and over through the years. He excels at that.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
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Carl
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Ireland
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BunsenH
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 01:03:08
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Originally posted by Carl
Just a small thing:
Irish Examiner review.
Wha!? Where/when is that photo from? |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 02:50:59
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Originally posted by shineoftheever
Greens and Blues - Love it! reminds of something that i can't quite put my finger on, maybe Oasis, a little Weezer, i dunno, i'll figure it out.
"Do Re Me So Far So Good"
Also reminds me of Catholics-era ditties that would have ended around the 2min37sec mark.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 03:10:36
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Originally posted by BunsenH
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Originally posted by Carl
Just a small thing:
Irish Examiner review.
Wha!? Where/when is that photo from?
Looks like the 2005 "Rock En Seine" concert.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 20:16:57
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giggle!
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2014 : 20:23:39
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Originally posted by Sprite
giggle!
Same reviewer as well. We knew it was coming. I'm curious whether the positive feedback the fellas get from fans and other media is enough to outweigh this stuff, and reassure them that the songs are solid? Or if they care at all?
I thought EP-1 was pretty well liked when it dropped, but it seems the feeling now is that it was universally panned. Weird. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 22:33:00
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 22:47:28
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This is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
There is something weird about the new music, I have to give him that. The production is flawed in places.
Calling the songs subpar however...Indie Cindy, What Goes Boom, Magdelena are mindblowing.
What if a stone cold classic like U-Mass was a new song? Swap it with Blue Eyed Hexe and put that one on Trompe.
Yes, alternative history, people!
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 23:51:48
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Cool. EP-10 will get the maximum score.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 02:22:14
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Haha!
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 02:43:43
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it is very ammusing. the sad thing is though, it does effect the metacritic or overall review score that some people factor in when deciding to listen to new music. personally i do. when i am deciding what new music to listen too and if i take a look at metacritic i manually take out pitchforks review scores because they are such a joke. i just hope that this review doesn't bias other music reviewers who are evaluating the new material.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 02:56:38
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Pitchfork: 2/10
NME: 8/10
sigh...
Anyway, when you're doing a statistic, you must discar extreme values. So, ridiculous pitchfork scors MUST NOT influe with the rest ;-)
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 04:30:33
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I'm normally the first to defend criticism as it has it's place, but 2 is somehow more ludicrous than the score for EP1. Like I get that the score for Ep1 was reactionary and stupid but I also get there was a relatively shocking first listen involved; andro and another toe was a steep come down after the fun Bagboy. But Ep2 is a much better listen. I can understand feeling a lack of passion, both for and on the record, but these are, if nothing else, solid Pixies songs. I'd have empathized with a 5 or 6, but a 2 is just stupid. I guess it's designed to get people talking and passing the link around, which is equal parts scummy and ok. Dialogue is good. In this case it's the failings of criticism. There's a lot of emphases on context and very little thoughtful discussion on text.
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2014 : 05:15:14
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| If they do 'Motherbanger' on the next ep Jayson will be happier. |
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bebio
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 05:29:52
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Originally posted by Stevio10
If you google jayson greene and ripfork you will see that the reviewer is a bit of a known cunt.
I laughed so hard!!! I had no idea this website existed, and it totally made my day! Thanks man!!! :) |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 05:41:38
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| Like I said; they are still circle jerking themselves over Reflektor and can't be bothered to listen to Pixies. |
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