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1965
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 09/26/2013 : 13:11:04
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WHAT GOES BOOM - initially the song I liked least, has grown on me so much I think it might be my new fave! Hearing several live versions helped the process too.
A new appreciation for BAGBOY as well, I play that first and segue into EP1 - works so well imo.
Just loving the evolution of Pixies 2.0
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
516 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2013 : 23:26:23
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I feel the same way! Didn't feel
It at all when I heard the EP.
I've heard them do it live twice now and it's blown me away. The guitars are HUGE! Almost has that big Catholics self titled guitar wall thing. Really starting to enjoy it.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 09/26/2013 : 23:59:01
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I'm amazed by the amount of hate they get on their facebook page for touring without Kim Deal. 2 random comments:
"They should change their name. It feels like they are a cover band for the REAL Pixies. New name, folks. Pixies are dead and everytime you play their music, you sound like a fraud."
"Listening now. It's actually not bad. It's not "$50 ticket" good, but it's not a disaster. Were the new Pixies to tour at prices more appropriate to the fact that this linup has not yet earned the respect you need to justify those prices, I would go and bring many friends.
Of course, they won't." (I think that last one was from pot)
What the hell is wrong with these guys? Clearly a band that changes one of their members is unheard of in the history of music, how dare the Pixies do this? I swear, from now on, I'll only listen to U2, cause they still have the original memebers and THAT's what matters!
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/27/2013 : 02:03:28
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Originally posted by vilainde
"Listening now. It's actually not bad. It's not "$50 ticket" good, but it's not a disaster. Were the new Pixies to tour at prices more appropriate to the fact that this linup has not yet earned the respect you need to justify those prices, I would go and bring many friends.
Of course, they won't." (I think that last one was from pot)
I hope someone pointed out to this dope that the tour is sold out and nobody cares if him and his "many friends" stay home.
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2013 : 02:23:20
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^^
Yes, I don't really get it either. I won't deny I miss Kim's vocals, but the songs are fine and it's definitely them. Reading some of the vitriol, if I hadn't heard the ep I would've assumed they'd morphed into some crappy nondescript indie band.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2013 : 05:41:35
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Originally posted by OLDMANOTY
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Yes, I don't really get it either. I won't deny I miss Kim's vocals, but the songs are fine and it's definitely them. Reading some of the vitriol, if I hadn't heard the ep I would've assumed they'd morphed into some crappy nondescript indie band.
Exactly, the music is solid. People can be simple and short-sighted when it comes to things they once held dear. Also, with age comes cynicism for many, and that's also what we are seeing. As mentioned above, the shows are all sold out, so I think a ton of fans are still interested and still excited by what the Pixies can bring to their lives. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/27/2013 : 12:01:12
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Also, every Facebook comment poster who makes a cute play on the word "Deal" in their message needs to be set on fire.
"No Kim, no Pixies, no Deal!"
"Any Pixies without Kim is a bad Deal!"
"Without Kim, this band is no big Deal!"
*strikes match* |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1356 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2013 : 13:41:04
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| Do people take people on Facebook serioulsy anyway?....(ducks) |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/27/2013 : 14:12:37
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There are some comments that defend them sometimes too. It's kind of a mix really. I think the hate is stupid though, it was Kim Deal's decision to leave, why should the band have to change their name cause she left? Also Frank Black did write most of the song writing originally regardless. Kim Deal's voice and bass playing was nice but what could they do already? I think Kim Shattuck being able to scream on songs could be an interesting change too if they do that later.
I hope the Big New Prinz (The Fall cover) will show up on one of the eps. Since seeing it live that track has grown on me a bit, I think it would be cool to have a Pixies recorded studio version of that track. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/27/2013 : 17:51:17
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I don't read the comments under every post on Facebook, but, from what I've seen the positive comments are increasing. The live shows lately seem to be really impressing people.
Most of the bands I "like" on Facebook have a small and supportive fanbase. Maybe every "big" band has a bunch of haters there, as well. Maybe every new Metallica post has fifty people in the mix responding with "you suck!" and "never should have cut your hair!" |
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cptnpasty
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Posted - 09/27/2013 : 22:40:44
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i wouldn't even take the comments seriously if i were you folks. people love to take a position on things and the haters now are probably those who never quite 'got' the pixies, maybe just waded in once in a while for monkey gone to heaven, gigantic or here comes your man.
absolutely nothing at all against kim deal - she was a recognisable part of my favourite rock band for years but to claim that she was in any way musically fundamental is just a bit silly. leave them to it - the band will prove themselves and the comments will fade away if that's the way it's meant to be.
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1133 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2013 : 00:20:33
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| If the new lineup and material alienates some "fans" thats great! I wouldnt call them fans more like music snobbery and elitists latching on to legacies and other such intangibles. For me the Pixies are all about the present, taking a huge step in their evolution. The reunion probably appealed more to these fans, a snapshot harking back to the band in their heydey. In effect they were like a pet you could take out if its cage and show off to your friends because it was tame and you knew it wouldnt bite. The new Pixies are taking risks and is a rabid dog of an animal. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/28/2013 : 02:39:05
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
667 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2013 : 17:18:31
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Agreed, Sprite.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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lucmove
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116 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2013 : 20:09:26
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I definitely think that EP1 is very disappointing.
Sooooo, according to the wise elders of this village, I never quite 'got' the Pixies. I just waded in once in a while for Monkey Gone to Heaven, Gigantic or Here Comes Your Man;
and I am too blind to see that The new Pixies are taking risks and is a rabid dog of an animal...
A rabid dog of an animal, no less.
Grrrowlrrr!!!
OK.
I am expecting to see an unshaven Black Francis wear a turtle neck and announce EP 1S any time now...
I am listening to it wrong. Of course! Duh.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2013 : 20:18:18
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Originally posted by lucmove
I definitely think that EP1 is very disappointing.
Sooooo, according to the wise elders of this village, I never quite 'got' the Pixies. I just waded in once in a while for Monkey Gone to Heaven, Gigantic or Here Comes Your Man;
and I am too blind to see that The new Pixies are taking risks and is a rabid dog of an animal...
A rabid dog of an animal, no less.
Grrrowlrrr!!!
OK.
I am expecting to see an unshaven Black Francis wear a turtle neck and announce EP 1S any time now...
I am listening to it wrong. Of course! Duh.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
786 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 00:01:34
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There is no denying EP1 *could* have been better, faster, rawer... especially when we hear the live performance of those songs (and if we believe Transmarine's words)
But it's clear the Pixies are back, and here to stay, and their vitality is amazing.
Most importantly in my opinion, I think BF has found again his muse, the way to write Pixies songs after years of trying very hard to forget how to do it. Sure, Pixies 1.0 were more juvenile, spontaneous, disruptive... But now I think their music is more mature, more generous and it appeals to me in new ways. I had never been that optimistic since Yellow, nor since the reunion.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 00:55:52
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Just a quick post to state that I still would only rate EP1 as 'ok'.
Not all long term fans are convinced that this is the second coming.
We are all entitled to our opinions and no-one is right or wrong.
Typing 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' after someone's post is truly immature. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7446 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 02:43:34
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I think luc took personally a comment that wasn't destined to him. What I was talking about earlier was the people who hate the band because Kim Deal is out. That to me is bullshit. You're perfectly allowed to dislike EP1 because yeah, it's different than the original Pixies output. But don't tell me the band is irrelevant because they lost a member, cause that just makes no sense.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 02:47:44
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Even if it's Kim Deal. Still makes no sense.
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IBreed
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 10:02:44
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Originally posted by vilainde
I think luc took personally a comment that wasn't destined to him. What I was talking about earlier was the people who hate the band because Kim Deal is out. That to me is bullshit. You're perfectly allowed to dislike EP1 because yeah, it's different than the original Pixies output. But don't tell me the band is irrelevant because they lost a member, cause that just makes no sense.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
agreed. not to feed into this increasingly idiotic cycle, but being the positivity police isn't in any less irritating than someone airing a histrionic complaint. they're two sides of the same lame, oversized novelty coin.
'd also offer that people who crusade in the name of this EP "(you just don't like it cause it's *different!!!!*") are as deluded as people who say "no deal!" to any music not featuring Kim.
both situations are equally deserving of critique, positive and negative, but being an extremist is lame and boring. especially on a discussion forum.
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
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116 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 10:27:06
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My post annoyed someone. Fine.
I am also sick of seeing some of you say -- over and over and over -- that EP1 is disliked by people who want nothing but The Olde Pixies of Yore, that we're nostalgic, that we can't move forward...
Man, that's high grade bullshit. I've been looking for music that moves forward for more than 30 years. That's exactly what I liked about the Pixies and many periods of the solo Frank Black era. That's what excites me. I think Frank Black evolved very, very well. The Breeders evolved very, very well. The Pixies are failing at that.
That's even worse for me, due to comparisons. MBV came back with a great album this year and some here shot it down as nostalgic. Bullshit. It totally sounds like MBV and that is A Good Thing®. It is supposed to sound like MBV. The album is considerably different from all the previous ones, and at the same time it still has the trademark MBV character. That is a step forward, and it's a good step forward because the album sounds good. I know it's old, it's been kept in storage for decades, but damn it, it still beats the hell out of 99.5% of everything we see in music nowadays. It doesn't matter that it's old, it matters that it sounds good.
Medicine also came back with a great album this year. That one sounds considerably different from all the previous ones, and at the same time it still has the trademark Medicine character, in quite a different flavor even. That is evolution. That is a step forward, and it's a good step forward because the album sounds good.
I still have to listen to Bowie's new album. I listened to one song only and I found it so so.
The problem with EP1 is that it completely lacks the Pixies character. The only recognizable thing about it is Charles's voice, and he doesn't sound very good. Black Francis is cocky, edgy, even youthful. He was all these things in Bluefinger. On EP1, Black Francis is boring, trite, unimpressive. David and Joey don't even seem to be there. I surely can't recognize them. And the whole thing sounds so so. So so is bad when the act is the Pixies. So many fantastic acts have released a bad record once in a while, why can't the Pixies, especially in light of the long hiatus and disagreements among the members? Why can't the Pixies disappoint? They can and they did. And this isn't the first time, although it is the first time for me.
If you like it, fine, enjoy it, but stop trying to make people look like nostalgic fools for not liking it. We may be excessively demanding, but we are not fools.
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
270 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 11:00:51
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| I don't disagree with the previous post. But recent live performances of the new songs sound very much more "Pixies-like", BF's got fire in his underbelly and you can actually hear Joey and David play. All that is drowned in reverb on the studio EP. I think the Pixies should ditch Gil and start to record live to two-track like the Catholics did. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 11:55:06
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Forgive me if you feel any of my previous posts were aimed at yourself lucmove, certainly not my intention. I do agree with a lot of what you have said in previous posts and certainly cannot doubt your passion for music.
To elaborate on my previous post, I feel the reunion shows were all fine and well, in 2004 I was ecstatic to see the Pixies. I saw them twice and they were very good. But there wasnt really an element of risk, it was a time for them to revel in the limelight in front of a huge fanbase. The only thing they had to prove was that they could still play the songs and they did that very well.
With the reunion over so to speak and KD leaving theres only 2 options - go on or quit. Continuing with a replacement member and new material is a huge risk. It would seem an easier decision from my viewpoint if they were to quit. In my opinion if they only release 1 good song out of 50 that is 1 more good song I could only have dreamed of in 2004.
As for the rabid dog thing, I had just listened to the BBC6 radio performance and was hugely impressed by the energy - it gave me the impression of a band reinvigorated and how they are now shaping their sound based on a new energy and determination to do what they want by breaking free of the shackles of their owners (legacy).
Of course these are just my thoughts - to me they are right! Just as everyone else believes their opinions to be the most valid. I cannot say your opinion is wrong lucmove, and nor would I want to - I hope EP2 will be better for you. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 11:59:21
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
786 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 13:39:19
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I liked new m b v a lot, fuck yeah, and I liked EP1, but I think the songs on EP1 are better live than how they were recorded (except Bagboy which is not as rich and accurate live)
Even Toe which is boring on EP1 kinda attracts me live. Boom is 10% faster than the recorded version, and it's crucial. Cindy at iTunes Festival was one of the best songs of the night. Andro Queen in Paris was just night and day compared to EP1. So lucmove I think you're right to be left disappointed with EP1, but I can't understand your constant pot-like moaning about the songs themselves. Greens And Blues, Silver Snail, or even Big New Prinz are more than honorable additions to the Pixies legacy, they're bringing something new. Norton was important because he put them on the right track. Not sure he wasn't the one who made the bad production decisions... but he at least allowed to a certain extent that things got moving again.
I'm confident in the future.
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shineoftheever
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Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 14:06:44
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still waiting for my copy...
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 14:09:37
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just to make a tangential point off luc's post: mbv, while started in 97, had something like 80 percent of its work completed in the past two years, as per mr. shields himself. so, for all intents and purposes, it's a new work. it's also fucking awesome, and you're so right, new while also capturing the spirit of the band.
the best of EP1 does the very same thing (indie cindy, what goes boom). |
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lucmove
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Brazil
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 16:36:50
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Originally posted by Stevio10
Forgive me if you feel any of my previous posts were aimed at yourself lucmove, certainly not my intention.
That's OK. I meant you, but not only you. Several other fellow forum members have been arguing that those who dislike EP1 wanted the Pixies to come up with some kind of "imitation of themselves." That is dismissive and quite short-sighted IMO.
I am looking forward to seeing them live somehow. So far I've only seen amateur recordings, which are okay for a glimpse of the legendary Pixies, but useless for me to judge their real sound. Even professional equipment can hardly do justice to live performances, let alone someone with a smartphone in the audience. For this reason, I don't think I even have any live album in my entire music collection. Let me see... Hmmm... Well, okay, I have a few more than I thought, including The Pixies live in Minneapolis, 13 April 2004. But I never listen to any of those. I don't like recorded live performances.
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lucmove
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 16:38:06
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Originally posted by sdon
...So lucmove I think you're right to be left disappointed with EP1, but I can't understand your constant pot-like moaning about the songs themselves.
You can't understand? I can explain.
First, it's not really "constant." I just criticized it three or four times. The first one out of the need to express my view. The other times, in reply to what someone else said that made me feel compelled to comment. This time, for example, I decided it was time to express my frustration at this recurrent notion that people who don't like EP1 wanted to travel back in time to 1991 and stay there forever so to speak. I think it's a little insulting. I felt like complaining about that before, several days before, but I bit my tongue until today.
Second, there are people here extolling the album rather "constantly." Why is that OK and criticizing not OK? Because it's a fan forum? But I am complaining because I am a fan. If I weren't a fan, I wouldn't even be here. You won't see me writing happy or unhappy words on the Metallica fan forum. I don't care about Metallica, they could release 5 albums at the same time or just simply drop dead, it doesn't make any difference to me. Fans care.
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Originally posted by sdon
Greens And Blues, Silver Snail, or even Big New Prinz are more than honorable additions to the Pixies legacy, they're bringing something new.
Makes sense, but please see my reply above to Stevio10. I don't even enjoy live performances very much if it's not actually live (not even then sometimes), and all videos I have seen of the songs you mention are unquestionably amateur. Sorry if this offends anyone, but I think the sound quality is awful. It's better than nothing for those of us who aren't in the US or UK and hardly ever get a chance to witness those performances, but it's not good enough for me to judge the quality of unreleased songs.
I have recorded audio and/or videos of a few performances I saw live (no one famous, mind you) and I always end up throwing the recording away because it sounds awful. I have used several smartphone models (Nokia N900 was the best one) and a Tascam audio recorder. Mobile phones distort the sound, and the Tascam recorder captures way too much, even people whispering 30 feet away from the microphone. so... You know what I mean. Let's wait for the official releases.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 19:41:32
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Originally posted by bedrock_barney
Just a quick post to state that I still would only rate EP1 as 'ok'.
Not all long term fans are convinced that this is the second coming.
We are all entitled to our opinions and no-one is right or wrong.
Typing 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' after someone's post is truly immature.
Wait, so his post that I quoted was a "mature" one, or one that deserved a "mature" response? Nah, don't think so.
If someone doesn't like it, fine. If someone loves it, cool. For me, it's decent enough. Some posters and the posting styles are just irritating, simple as that. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 19:47:21
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Originally posted by IBreed
new while also capturing the spirit of the band.
the best of EP1 does the very same thing (indie cindy, what goes boom).
Completely agree. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/29/2013 : 20:35:44
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I understand Lucmove if we're talking Side A, but to me Side B sounds like Dinosaur Jr, MBV and GBV sound on their reunion albums:
slightly different, but still like themselves.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 22:20:45
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| It's really strange to be forced to listen to the live versions of these new songs to feel their true nature and emotion. Especially indie cindy and what goes boom, i feel i really discovered them with the live versions. Indie Cindy's chorus got some kind of sadness you really dont hear on the studio version. And the crazy rocknroll aspect of what goes boom is not on the ep version neither. It's like the difference between fresh and frozen! The shape is there, not the taste. I guess the important thing is that underneath the ice, the good song are there! It makes me think to the Gun Club's Miami. Dig for fire (of love)! |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/30/2013 : 01:30:41
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In one of the new interviews, Frank said something great. He said that he likes it when people argue over his music. He thinks that's a good thing--and I do, too. And I think that's a very wise position for a musician to take.
When people all over are arguing about your music, that means it's vital. When no one's arguing about it, that means nobody cares.
Also, I think Frank accepts that his music is, at heart, of "cult" appeal and he's a cult figure with a cult following (in the case of the Pixies, it's a big cult, but a cult nonetheless). And music/movies/books like that are typically born in controversy and maybe live forever in controversy. And that's not a bad thing. And I think Frank gets that and even enjoys that, which he should. I enjoy it, too, just as a fan. |
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