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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 09/10/2013 : 02:55:34
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Though it's all nonsense, I'm starting to dig those songs.
Oh, the time and money I spent on Pixies & co...
In the kingdom of the blind who have ears, may the king feel happy and keep rich...
Amen
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2013 : 06:58:35
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| The vinyl landed in Texas today. It looks and sounds great. Vaughan Oliver did the art and the whole package is exactly like an old 4AD sleeve. High quality cardboard stock, cool inner sleeve, artsy imagery all-around, not much text (no text on the sleeves, actually). It's a cool thing to own. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2013 : 12:35:33
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My update on the vinyl mixing vs. digital: It doesn't sound nearly as hot to me. It's still really compressed and limited, but the snare on Toe doesn't sound like a blown driver anymore. Of course, it could be my phono preamps and my moving coil stylus. Either way, sounds better to me.
Everybody calm down, I'm the Burgermeister of Purgatory |
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moonruler
- FB Fan -
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2013 : 15:19:41
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Originally posted by cptnpasty
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by moonruler
I would like to ask: what language he is speaking in the bridge on Andro Queen? That is the bridge, right?
Esperanto I believe. Apparently he wanted to practice.
Everybody calm down, I'm the Burgermeister of Purgatory
It is Esperanto. I took it as a (good) joke - a reference to the use of Spanish in the old material.
www.alotofwind.com
This is what I got:
I look to the heavens for your return
I look at your hand to see the ring
and we will walk together to your room
our love will be anew
our love will be anew
I did change a new to anew.
This is what I had for lyrics:
mi aspekti al la cxielo por via reveni
mi aspekti cxe via mano al vidi la ringo
kaj ni will promeni kune al via cambro
nia ami will esti nova
nia ami will esti nova |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7446 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2013 : 21:28:02
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
It's still really compressed and limited, but the snare on Toe doesn't sound like a blown driver anymore.
HA! My thoughts exactly. I received my package yesterday (the t-shirt is pretty rad btw) and I noticed Another Toe sounded a hundred times better.
Denis
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 04:06:32
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Still think side B blows side A out of the water. But yes, it all sounds a lot better.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 05:08:48
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after multitudes of listening i now rank the songs:
What Goes Boom
Indy Cindy
Another Toe in the Ocean
Andro Queen (although i really like the opening 30 seconds or so of Andro)
imagine if you heard Toe on the radio. i personally would be like; that's pretty good, maybe i should check out their other stuff....hopefully this happens and younger folk become exposed to the "classic" Pixies.
Pitchfork 1 - haha. well, remember Rolling Stone gave TOTY a 6; i do.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7446 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 05:22:01
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If you thought the pithfork review was harsh, I recommend you to read this one:
http://www.earbuddy.net/35794/the-pixies-ep-1.html/reviews
The guy is just FURIOUS. "EP-1 doesn’t sound like the Pixies, and it doesn’t sound like anything Frank Black has recorded as a solo artist. [...] “Andro Queen” and “What Goes Boom” don’t even sound like the Pixies as much as a tired, bored, group trying to fill up studio time. [...]“Indie Cindy” is as misguided as it is laughably unsexy. [...]Hearing EP-1 is like watching Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Star Wars: Episodes I-III." I don't know if the Pixies tour bus made a dent in his car or something, but he really took it personally...
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 07:29:46
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Andro Queen doesn't sound like the old Pixies. But What Goes Boom is totally TLM.
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cptnpasty
- FB Fan -
Spain
161 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 07:55:21
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To me, all four songs sound like songs no other band would have made. That makes them Pixies songs doesn't it? All of this fuss and hostility was inevitable once the band we fell in love with in 1988 became so legendary, so much public property. Everyone thinks they OWN what the Pixies are, that the Pixies are really THEIR Pixies. People are entitled to be disappointed of course, if disappointment is their thing, but it's misguided to attribute the disappointment to EP-1 or anything else that those (now four, again) people have done. It's all YOURS, that disappointment, all in your head, a product of what you have made the Pixies in your own mind. The band is a going concern. They will change, have changed. Enjoy the music, don't enjoy the music, whatever. I love it.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 12:01:07
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| This fastuous heavy eighties pop really sounds like a possible pixies record from 1995, and maybe people would have say then "what is that fastuous version of the pixies? This is not my pixies!". Trompe was already a bit like that. |
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moonruler
- FB Fan -
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 14:29:36
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I remember when both of those albums came out. Bossanova was not immediate, but TLM was. These ended up as my two favorite Pixies albums.
Andro Queen is the least Pixies song to me; if there is such a thing. The other three songs could easily fit into the Bossanova/TLM catalog. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 15:39:42
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shehiph0ps
- FB Fan -
USA
2 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 16:28:36
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 19:10:31
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3rd Review:
Took time off the ep. But the songs wouldn't leave my head! Some of the best Frank/Pixies tunes ever. Great work!
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
667 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 19:14:09
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Originally posted by cptnpasty
To me, all four songs sound like songs no other band would have made. That makes them Pixies songs doesn't it? All of this fuss and hostility was inevitable once the band we fell in love with in 1988 became so legendary, so much public property. Everyone thinks they OWN what the Pixies are, that the Pixies are really THEIR Pixies. People are entitled to be disappointed of course, if disappointment is their thing, but it's misguided to attribute the disappointment to EP-1 or anything else that those (now four, again) people have done. It's all YOURS, that disappointment, all in your head, a product of what you have made the Pixies in your own mind. The band is a going concern. They will change, have changed. Enjoy the music, don't enjoy the music, whatever. I love it.
www.alotofwind.com
Yes.
~ Peter Radiator
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 21:02:26
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Originally posted by IBreed
does anyone else think Frank's vocal performance is really restrained? it's weird jumping even from non stop erotik to indie cindy.
I think they did that to sound different from a Frank Black solo realease, to sound more like a band. The problem is that Frank used to double his own voice, even on Trompe. Here, the chorus voice is strangely perfect, it doesnt sound like him, I think this chorus voice is the reason some critics talked about autotune. Maybe it's him but this would mean he radically changed his way of doing backing vocals. I REALLY doubt he used any autotune on his own voice, but the backing voice is strangely impersonal and perfect, like a pop robot voice. At the end these vocals sound strangely far from Frank Black or The Pixies ! The second song is so pop it almost sounds like a new They Might Be Giants' song. Why not? If it is what they want to do, i'm ok with that. It's almost like Frank had gone back in 94 and instead of making the orange album he does this. Cinemascope super pop! It sounds very british, not much desert country punk round here. I hope they bring back a bit of that style in the next EP.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1356 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 21:53:10
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Originally posted by theonecontender
3rd Review:
Took time off the ep. But the songs wouldn't leave my head! Some of the best Frank/Pixies tunes ever. Great work!
1c
I have been going cold turkey on the EP since Sunday. Am taking one week off just to see how they sound after a break so as not overload it before seeing them at Brixton. But these melodys are also stuck in my head.... |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1356 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 21:54:27
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Originally posted by shehiph0ps
I'm too scared to give it a listen.
No more waiting for a new day, you've got to swim sometimes! |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 23:25:37
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Originally posted by Sprite
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Originally posted by shehiph0ps
I'm too scared to give it a listen.
No more waiting for a new day, you've got to swim sometimes!
Well played. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1356 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 00:57:23
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 04:51:18
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| but i mean, even the live performance of indie cindy sounds more like FB as we know him. the studio take sounds a tad flat (in spirit, it's obviously in tune). |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 06:29:52
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Since we're on the subject of vocals. The backing vox sound weird indeed. A contribution from one of the Kims would have been nice. Still, it's mostly the way Frank/Jeremy/David's backing vocals are mixed that seems a little bit off.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 13:04:47
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Originally posted by shehiph0ps
I'm too scared to give it a listen.
As long as you don't expect Debaser or Bone Machine and are not upset when you hear something completely different, you'll be alright. It's good. Stands right with everything else they've done.
EDIT: Actually shehiph0ps, just read that review natenate101 posted above to ease your fears. Or just listen to it and come back to tell us what you think.
Everybody calm down, I'm the Burgermeister of Purgatory |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 13:20:35
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by IBreed
does anyone else think Frank's vocal performance is really restrained? it's weird jumping even from non stop erotik to indie cindy.
I think they did that to sound different from a Frank Black solo realease, to sound more like a band. The problem is that Frank used to double his own voice, even on Trompe. Here, the chorus voice is strangely perfect, it doesnt sound like him, I think this chorus voice is the reason some critics talked about autotune. Maybe it's him but this would mean he radically changed his way of doing backing vocals. I REALLY doubt he used any autotune on his own voice, but the backing voice is strangely impersonal and perfect, like a pop robot voice. At the end these vocals sound strangely far from Frank Black or The Pixies !
Knowing a little about engineering vocals, my guess is that it is highly compressed and limited with lots of reverb. The smoothing effect on vocals can be really dramatic if you dial it up and they'll just sit there almost clinically. Which sounds like what they were going for. I don't hear auto tune though. It's my opinion that a lot of people are mistaken about what auto-tune does. The pop artists who use it crank it to the point that it malfunctions, and that's where those weird pitch pops and quirks normally associated with it come from.
Everybody calm down, I'm the Burgermeister of Purgatory |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 21:23:58
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they'll just sit there almost clinically.
Everybody calm down, I'm the Burgermeister of Purgatory
Yeah, what you describe is exatly what i feel listening to it. Ok, it's a flat sound, but at least let the backing voice going out of track sometimes, having his own life, ending up being a part of the song itself. For example among many others, when i hum subbacultha in the shower i say "she was all dressed up in black black". It sounds like ooops Kim missed it but at the end it's a very important part of the song. And you dont have to be Kim Deal to do that. These tracks lack some contained chaos, i guess that's what a lot of people miss. Even Santiago sounds very professional now! Maybe that's a good example of trying too much. I mean, those songs are quite good. They're just too perfectly packed. The subject of the adequate production for Charles' songwriting begins to be quite annoying, it's been like 15 years i dont feel his songs are well served. Now he came back with EDF and it's still not adequate, then he comes back with Norton and it sounds pretty much the same. Then sometimes you got Rabbits, What you want gyaneshwar, or even Fort Wayne, and you say "wow, that's the way he should always record", and then you hear those songs were recorded more like demos, so that's quite confusing about how good it is to book a fancy studio with a full band. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7446 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 21:43:34
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Originally posted by Grotesque
Yeah, what you describe is exatly what i feel listening to it. Ok, it's a flat sound, but at least let the backing voice going out of track sometimes, having his own life, ending up being a part of the song itself. For example among many others, when i hum subbacultha in the shower i say "she was all dressed up in black black". It sounds like ooops Kim missed it but at the end it's a very important part of the song. And you dont have to be Kim Deal to do that. These tracks lack some contained chaos, i guess that's what a lot of people miss. Even Santiago sounds very professional now! Maybe that's a good example of trying too much.
3 thoughts:
1) There are few people who can pull off vocals like Kim does. I like Dubs' voice but if you cranked up the background vocals it wouldn't sound like the old Pixies. I think they'll try more things with Kim S.
2) Don't know if you read the interview I posted in another thread: http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20938 . The paragraph I mentioned talks just about this.
3 Joye sounds professional because he's been a professional musician for 25 years. His soundtrack stuff doesn't sound much like the stuff he'd pull off in '88. He still (on Bagboy and on Boom especially) sounds spectacular to me.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 21:50:06
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When Joey shredded at one of the Winnipeg concerts on the last tour
it was pretty obvious he has massive knowlegde, control and time in. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 22:02:14
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2) Don't know if you read the interview I posted in another thread: http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20938 . The paragraph I mentioned talks just about this.
I'd read that but didnt get neither the question nor the answer!!! That's a higher english level i guess. "Success often gets bands out of the vans and into tour buses" ouch! what's that? I'll read it again and try harder. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 22:20:43
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| ok thanks! Sure, bands have to get out of the van first, then get into a bigger one. I dont understand why he didnt mention bands actually have to WALK a few metter to reach the tour bus. And maybe breathe a little bit on the way if they dont want to die. Must be an expression or written with a lot of style, or just badly written i dont know... thanks anyway. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 23:31:31
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I find it fascinating on the varying opinions of this ep. I am really impressed with the songs and feel it is an extension of TLM. I think some people were looking for an extension from surfer rosa or doolittle. I remember how disappointed I was after listening to cult of ray for the first time! I had fallen in love with teenager of the year and probably listened to it on serious rotation for a couple of years. And once cult of ray came out i thought to myself this isn't teenager the year 2!! How could Frank do this to me! But then I saw him and the band tour cult of ray and i was blown away and then after that my whole perspective about the COR album completely changed. It would be very interesting to have music reviewers provide an initial review or first impressions of the music and then follow up with a second review once they felt they have let the music sit and breath for a while. I don't think I'd be a very good music reviewer because a lot of the albums that I really like- a lot of the times it takes me weeks or months before I really began to "get into" the music.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2013 : 23:41:14
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I never got into Cult of Ray, though.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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"Four New Songs" EP
