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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 07/03/2013 : 02:55:17
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
it seems like time to get this podcast back together. Brian?
 "If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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Ed is the hoo hoo
It would be. Just listened to the Rich Gilbert and Doolittle anniversary episodes this week. Bring it on fellas! |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6260 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 03:13:21
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 03:14:44
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| think I still have the last two podcasts to listen to.. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1136 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 03:59:44
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lovely new pixies song. yay!
 it's educational |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1136 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 04:19:23
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i think it's also very nice that the new song is a free download.
probably smarter in the long term, compared to charging for it, but i still appreciate it. thanks for the free track, pixies.
it's educational |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 04:20:08
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 10:20:16
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| I am not sure why some people on this forum think you can't ever call people out for their BS. I criticised VC for her juvenile attacks on that pitchfork reviewer, but I believe she is right to shed a bit of light on the true situation. I am thankful for that. Although, I would have at least kept the post up for more than 39 seconds. Knowing that a new pixies album would be impossible with Deal on board changes the way I view her leaving the band. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1129 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 12:31:36
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Wow this place is buzzing! And anybody else quite amazed by the 800k+ viewings of Bagboy on Youtube in under a week?! I call that demand! So much so Glasgow sold out before I knew it had been announced! Please add another Scotland date on the 23rd November!?
Thank you, love the new tune, my best to you all. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 12:42:11
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 07/03/2013 : 15:12:17
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
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Originally posted by blckfrncs
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Originally posted by pot
Ok then. How and what was the point in getting a man to sing backing vocals, only to then make them sound exactly like a Kim Deal sample?
Do you think we want that?
I just want honest music in whatever form it comes out. You are not the same Pixies you were before. Please leave trying to sound like the past and just go with the flow.
We'd all probably like to hear something from what you recorded with Kim in Wales anyway, even if it's shite.
hi, pot (and everyone else!)
Just to clarify: mr. dubs has assisted me on several demos. On a demo for bagboy he sang some bv's (while I was on an errand), and when I came back there is the same exact vox track we are discussing. I did notice that it had sounded like k deal. and I liked it. I kept it. and when the rest of the band and gil norton heard it, they liked it, too, and, so, we kept it. there is no agenda here except to make cool rock music.
we are aware of certain opinions regarding the band and new music. generally, they fall into 3 camps:
1) keep your original sound intact.
2) please, ignore your old sound and develop a new sound.
3) stop making all music
we actually don't subscribe to either agenda 1 or 2 (agenda 3 seems ridiculous as we are all working musicians and probably always will be). we make music. if it sounds like "the pixies of 1989", so be it. that is our background. if it sounds "new", great! we like it when new things develop.
bf
Although I am not as excited about Bagboy as some other fans (yet, it is growing on me!), I agree with this absolutely. I'm personally glad they didn't try to make Motorway to Roswell 2 (or choose another Pixies fav here) but just made what they made and whatever it sounded like, great.
It is funny to hear all the controversy of a Pixies without Kim. Art evolves, changes, and there are plenty of bands that went on with new musicians to make great and varied music. That's not to say that Kim herself isn't an artist or that her part in the Pixies wasn't a very important thread in the tapestry, but now there are others and new music will be woven, and it will be what it is.
Why should three great musicians not work together because a fourth doesn't want to? Find someone else and carry on.
Anyway, it's nice to have some excitement around here after so long. I like how the forum is a self-sustaining news source that requires little effort on our part. This is how the site has evolved, the news comes from everywhere rather than just a few of us 'in the know'.
That said, it seems like time to get this podcast back together. Brian?
"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
People tend to forget that Kim was almost fired from the band several times back in the classic era. If they had gone through with it, this might be a non-issue. Heck- Pixies might have put out a few more albums after TLM if they had. Maybe they wouldn't have broken up at all... I enjoy Kim's contributions to the band and her solo work but she's not irreplaceable.
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 15:38:06
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Idalgo Clandestino
- FB Fan -
Yugoslavia
104 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2013 : 22:02:30
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Originally posted by PeggyLeeZorba
Speaking of Jeremy Dubs, Frank's friend who's doing the back-up vocals on "Bag Boy"...
In 2000, he sent me some Jeremy Dubs/The Bennies demo CDs. My favourite song was one called "Just A Thought". Last night I thought of that song when I read about Jeremy Dubs' contribution to the new Pixies material. So made this video for the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SsbxrV_Zmk
Kirsten sure loves them Bennies, doesn't she?!
you probably thought i'm a shy guy |
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cptnpasty
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Spain
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 01:26:03
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 01:45:14
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 02:04:21
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Bagboy sounds like Subbacultcha meets Yellow/Orange. the "sprawl" and crazy layered vocals, the stuffed instrumentation... sounds like that first FB album to me. i love it. people have been begging frank to go back to that sound ever since the catholics started. now here he's done it, with joey and dave no less. i'm stoked. can't wait for more from these guys.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7444 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 02:34:39
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I haven't read enough praise of Santiago's part in this thread. The guitars from 2'27" to 2'54" are just insane.
Denis
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
786 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 03:21:09
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I don't find any Yellow in Bagboy
Yellow had very good songs (Los Angeles, Ten Percenter, Brackish Boy among my faves) but the sound has become very dated. Synths are old-school in the bad sense, drums are too treble (Gil Norton does not mix like that!). bagboy takes up where Norton ended, with a move to more layered guitars (I remember they worked one month to achieve the gtr sound on Sad Punk), and the drum sounds closer to the production of U-Mass, or even The Happening, very heavy, loud, but rather slow.
Vocals are subbacultchan, yes
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6260 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 03:28:23
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Tell us more about the Sad Punk, where have you heard/read that?
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 03:42:09
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Originally posted by sdon
I don't find any Yellow in Bagboy
Yellow had very good songs (Los Angeles, Ten Percenter, Brackish Boy among my faves) but the sound has become very dated. Synths are old-school in the bad sense, drums are too treble (Gil Norton does not mix like that!). bagboy takes up where Norton ended, with a move to more layered guitars (I remember they worked one month to achieve the gtr sound on Sad Punk), and the drum sounds closer to the production of U-Mass, or even The Happening, very heavy, loud, but rather slow.
Vocals are subbacultchan, yes
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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
I completely agree about the Yellow/Orange album. The songs are great but the synths and the production have not aged well. I'd love to hear the Pixies re-record some of those songs with Gil Norton and add them to the catalog. Pixies should finally release THEIR version of Hang On To Your Ego.
"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..." |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 11:58:29
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Originally posted by sdon
I don't find any Yellow in Bagboy
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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
"the "sprawl" and crazy layered vocals, the stuffed instrumentation... sounds like that first FB album to me."
those two attributes in particular.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 13:05:03
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Not hearing the Yellow either. And no re-recording/revisiting stuff. Full steam ahead with the new sound.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 14:33:48
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| You get this description when you look at the listing for the Pixies page on google - "huge fans of Pixies, from Caribou to Alec Eiffel, or more recent Classic Masher or Silver Snail Maybe you'll hear it in our new album, available for listening now ...". I assume it's just a post by a fan or something but I can't find any sort of similar text on the page itself. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 19:14:30
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I think the production on the first Frank Black album has aged really well. It sounds odd now, but it sounded odd THEN, too. This was 1993. Post-Nirvana. Every band was getting loud and raw and distorted and angst-ridden.
In the middle of all that, Frank released a polished, computery, synthetic LP full of weird pop songs about science and UFO conventions and the downside of artificial light. Listen to a bunch of albums from that year. And then listen to Frank Black. It stands out like a complete misfit. I love it! I consider it a major classic. |
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1038 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2013 : 20:26:46
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Originally posted by Jason
I think the production on the first Frank Black album has aged really well. It sounds odd now, but it sounded odd THEN, too. This was 1993. Post-Nirvana. Every band was getting loud and raw and distorted and angst-ridden.
In the middle of all that, Frank released a polished, computery, synthetic LP full of weird pop songs about science and UFO conventions and the downside of artificial light. Listen to a bunch of albums from that year. And then listen to Frank Black. It stands out like a complete misfit. I love it! I consider it a major classic.
I think its aged well, too. It doesn't sound dated at all to me, just unique, with an oddball energy; an announcement if you will of a new beginning. And the way the songs flow...! Incredible. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 22:09:47
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Arms and Jason are right as always.
Denis
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cptnpasty
- FB Fan -
Spain
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2013 : 00:50:57
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 07/05/2013 : 01:35:10
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Originally posted by sdon
Hi ChienAndalou
It was one of my posts to their wall, a couple of months ago, strange that you found it on Google
By the way, the link to balbec's new album is https://soundcloud.com/balbec/sets/two-sides-to-every-story
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Ah, fair enough, that explains it. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2013 : 07:10:33
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I just re-listened to Bag Boy at my mate's house through his bassy speakers at full volume. Sounded marginally better than before so I now give a 3.14/5 rating, or pie-bags. Took some convincing to get him to believe it isn't Kim on the backing vocals, but gave me the perfect opportunity to boast about having talked to Frank Black on the internet about it the other day.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2013 : 22:50:59
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so you're giving bagboy a pie-five?
"Do Re Me So Far So Good" |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2013 : 23:09:54
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| Bagboy is not a song for the old pixies fans like me, most of us are quite bitter about the state of rock'n'roll and they/we dont like a lot of new bands. We're old farts! To me Bag Boy sounds like a new band. I used to listen to pixies when i was 15, then it opened me the gate to a lot of rougher stuff, from Pere Ubu or Captain Beefheart (pecursor to the pixies) to Old Time Relijun, Deerhoof, Danielson Famile (bands made by pixies fans). Maybe the Pixies are just a gate to quirky rock'n'roll, or even to classic pop bands that a teenager wouldnt think of listening (Velvet, Kinks, Beach Boys), and we already used that gate... The beach boys sounded very gay to my stupid teenage ears before i listen to the Pixies!!! So it's not really important what we think of Bagboy, but i'm happy it's there anyway! I feel a bit like an oldschool Leonard Cohen fan listening to I'm your man in 88. It's a bit like "what the fuck" but also "mmm this is quite powerfull". |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6260 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2013 : 23:18:16
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I guess I have to agree, although I like some new bands...
Villagers, Micachu, Surfer Blood for instance
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/06/2013 : 00:34:46
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Originally posted by Grotesque
Bagboy is not a song for the old pixies fans like me, most of us are quite bitter about the state of rock'n'roll and they/we dont like a lot of new bands. We're old farts!
Speak for yourself! I'm not that old, but I do fart a lot... Anyway I've discovered more great new bands THIS YEAR than there are Pixies songs on an average Pixies album. You must be listening to the wrong radio station. It's probably John Peel's fault for dying too soon, although to be fair he didn't meant to have a heart attack.
Two great new bands I've discovered this week who are a lot like The Breeders- Waxahatchee and Speedy Ortiz.
Rock and Roll is not dead, it has just been sabotaged by crap bands like The XX, Kings of Leon and Marylin Manson. (note that I deliberately misgrammered KOL out of disresepect for them and their music) |
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kurtblack
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Posted - 07/06/2013 : 17:50:12
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Originally posted by eroticvultcha
Violet posted a pretty eloquent insight into the last few weeks on her FB page today.
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I will say this now, and then take down my post in exactly one hour:
Regarding the past nine years: If anyone thinks it was easy for the other Pixies to function and be a vital, real band, with the bass player that they had, then they simply don't know what I know. I've seen people glibly talk smack about the reunion tours being just about making money. That maybe *someone we all know* simply rejected the new material because it was sub-par and she's discriminating and is protective of the legacy, etc etc. But you have no idea.... NO IDEA. Sometimes people are challenged, and they are difficult to work with. Sometimes these people did a lot of damage to themselves with alcohol and drugs. And its hard to reason with people who aren't reasonable. If you long for the original bass player to be in the band, then you are casting your vote for the other three members of the otherwise vital, eager Pixies to roll over and die, to be imprisoned within the shells of their former creative selves, and to struggle vainly, and/or sell out, forever. The time came for a jailbreak. Rejoice!
It's hard to tell people that you respect, admire, and like that they've screwed up and done something wrong. So, sorry Violet. Sorry Charles. But that Facebook post was a really bad choice.
Violet's frustration may be prefectly justified. Kim may have been completely unreasonable and impossible to work with. However, a statement like that shouldn't come from the band's lead singer's wife. It completely undercuts the band's statement on Kim leaving... a statement which said, "We are sad to say that Kim Deal has decided to leave the Pixies" and "her place will always be here for her."
Also, if you start a statement with, "I will say this now, and then take down my post in exactly one hour", you shouldn't be saying what you're saying... and even you seem to know that.
Although the post is bad for several reasons, if you're going to talk about Kim Deal, use her name. Don't refer to her as "the bass player they had", "*someone we all know*", "these people", "people who aren't reasonable", and "the original bass player". Sorry Violet but that just comes off as juvenile.
Violet shouldn't have been in a postion to feel like she needed to make those comments. Someone should have shed some light on what went down. The band has obvious communication issues, and not just with each other. They've communicated poorly with their fans.
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Helmut
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Posted - 07/06/2013 : 18:23:08
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Originally posted by kurtblack
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Originally posted by eroticvultcha
Violet posted a pretty eloquent insight into the last few weeks on her FB page today.
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I will say this now, and then take down my post in exactly one hour:
Regarding the past nine years: If anyone thinks it was easy for the other Pixies to function and be a vital, real band, with the bass player that they had, then they simply don't know what I know. I've seen people glibly talk smack about the reunion tours being just about making money. That maybe *someone we all know* simply rejected the new material because it was sub-par and she's discriminating and is protective of the legacy, etc etc. But you have no idea.... NO IDEA. Sometimes people are challenged, and they are difficult to work with. Sometimes these people did a lot of damage to themselves with alcohol and drugs. And its hard to reason with people who aren't reasonable. If you long for the original bass player to be in the band, then you are casting your vote for the other three members of the otherwise vital, eager Pixies to roll over and die, to be imprisoned within the shells of their former creative selves, and to struggle vainly, and/or sell out, forever. The time came for a jailbreak. Rejoice!
It's hard to tell people that you respect, admire, and like that they've screwed up and done something wrong. So, sorry Violet. Sorry Charles. But that Facebook post was a really bad choice.
Violet's frustration may be prefectly justified. Kim may have been completely unreasonable and impossible to work with. However, a statement like that shouldn't come from the band's lead singer's wife. It completely undercuts the band's statement on Kim leaving... a statement which said, "We are sad to say that Kim Deal has decided to leave the Pixies" and "her place will always be here for her."
Also, if you start a statement with, "I will say this now, and then take down my post in exactly one hour", you shouldn't be saying what you're saying... and even you seem to know that.
Although the post is bad for several reasons, if you're going to talk about Kim Deal, use her name. Don't refer to her as "the bass player they had", "*someone we all know*", "these people", "people who aren't reasonable", and "the original bass player". Sorry Violet but that just comes off as juvenile.
Violet shouldn't have been in a postion to feel like she needed to make those comments. Someone should have shed some light on what went down. The band has obvious communication issues, and not just with each other. They've communicated poorly with their fans.
Hence their use of a pubicist. The old Kim is gone, the new Kim is in and it has been handled well and the band can get on with what they do best - writing vital and relevant songs and touring them. Can't ask for much else. I kinda wish this happened after the first round of reunion touring in 2008 so that we'd have a few new albums worth of Pixies tunes to enjoy, but this outcome is a perfect compromise, and we got to see Doolittle thrashed out in its entirety in the interim. |
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