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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 07/06/2013 : 19:02:54
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| I hope they re-work and/or expand some songs a la Vamos and the end of Gigantic on this tour. With new material and songs that haven't been played much since 92 and before, it should be a very interesting tour. I hope they release recordings as they did before. |
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 07/07/2013 : 03:36:21
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
I hope they re-work and/or expand some songs a la Vamos and the end of Gigantic on this tour. With new material and songs that haven't been played much since 92 and before, it should be a very interesting tour. I hope they release recordings as they did before.
I doubt they'll do Gigantic anymore. That song is too closely associated with Kim.
I'm really hoping for recordings too.
"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..." |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/07/2013 : 04:18:24
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Originally posted by kurtblack
Violet's frustration may be prefectly justified. Kim may have been completely unreasonable and impossible to work with. However, a statement like that shouldn't come from the band's lead singer's wife. It completely undercuts the band's statement on Kim leaving... a statement which said, "We are sad to say that Kim Deal has decided to leave the Pixies" and "her place will always be here for her."
Well said. It really makes one wonder about Violet's influence on Kim's decision to leave. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 07/07/2013 : 04:39:05
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1038 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2013 : 07:23:23
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Originally posted by Classic Masher
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
I hope they re-work and/or expand some songs a la Vamos and the end of Gigantic on this tour. With new material and songs that haven't been played much since 92 and before, it should be a very interesting tour. I hope they release recordings as they did before.
I doubt they'll do Gigantic anymore. That song is too closely associated with Kim.
I'm really hoping for recordings too.
"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..."
I meant, that they'll expand some other songs, like they've done with Vamos and Gigantic in the past. I also doubt they'll play Gigantic without Kim Deal. |
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 07/07/2013 : 07:38:21
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
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Originally posted by Classic Masher
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
I hope they re-work and/or expand some songs a la Vamos and the end of Gigantic on this tour. With new material and songs that haven't been played much since 92 and before, it should be a very interesting tour. I hope they release recordings as they did before.
I doubt they'll do Gigantic anymore. That song is too closely associated with Kim.
I'm really hoping for recordings too.
"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..."
I meant, that they'll expand some other songs, like they've done with Vamos and Gigantic in the past. I also doubt they'll play Gigantic without Kim Deal.
Ah, ok. I nominate Motorway to Roswell and the Happening.
"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..." |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/07/2013 : 10:18:23
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| OK Pixies. Please announce plans to release more music ASAP. |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/07/2013 : 19:22:21
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| If they played Gigantic, Silver or Into the White, then that is legacy tarnishing territory so I doubt they'd go there as there would be too much backlash from the uberfans. Also there's 100+ other songs to choose from so what would be the point? |
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 01:27:26
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Originally posted by Helmut
If they played Gigantic, Silver or Into the White, then that is legacy tarnishing territory so I doubt they'd go there as there would be too much backlash from the uberfans. Also there's 100+ other songs to choose from so what would be the point?
I could see them doing "Into The White". Charles wrote it and rerecorded a cool version of it for the FBF album.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 08:11:18
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Thanks Masher for making me rediscover Into The White on FBF, totally forgot this version
Sings like Lou Reed
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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)" |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 13:29:30
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I think dropping pieces of the catalogue because of
some nebulous anxiety sounds like the sort of behavior
they are trying to move past. |
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 14:24:08
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Originally posted by sdon
Thanks Masher for making me rediscover Into The White on FBF, totally forgot this version
Sings like Lou Reed
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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
It is pretty awesome, isn't it? I love when he does his Lou Reed thing. I think my favorite BF song like that is "Shady" on Let The People Speak.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 14:50:41
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Originally posted by eroticvultcha
Violet posted a pretty eloquent insight into the last few weeks on her FB page today.
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I will say this now, and then take down my post in exactly one hour:
Regarding the past nine years: If anyone thinks it was easy for the other Pixies to function and be a vital, real band, with the bass player that they had, then they simply don't know what I know. I've seen people glibly talk smack about the reunion tours being just about making money. That maybe *someone we all know* simply rejected the new material because it was sub-par and she's discriminating and is protective of the legacy, etc etc. But you have no idea.... NO IDEA. Sometimes people are challenged, and they are difficult to work with. Sometimes these people did a lot of damage to themselves with alcohol and drugs. And its hard to reason with people who aren't reasonable. If you long for the original bass player to be in the band, then you are casting your vote for the other three members of the otherwise vital, eager Pixies to roll over and die, to be imprisoned within the shells of their former creative selves, and to struggle vainly, and/or sell out, forever. The time came for a jailbreak. Rejoice!
It's hard to tell people that you respect, admire, and like that they've screwed up and done something wrong. So, sorry Violet. Sorry Charles. But that Facebook post was a really bad choice.
Violet's frustration may be prefectly justified. Kim may have been completely unreasonable and impossible to work with. However, a statement like that shouldn't come from the band's lead singer's wife. It completely undercuts the band's statement on Kim leaving... a statement which said, "We are sad to say that Kim Deal has decided to leave the Pixies" and "her place will always be here for her."
Also, if you start a statement with, "I will say this now, and then take down my post in exactly one hour", you shouldn't be saying what you're saying... and even you seem to know that.
Although the post is bad for several reasons, if you're going to talk about Kim Deal, use her name. Don't refer to her as "the bass player they had", "*someone we all know*", "these people", "people who aren't reasonable", and "the original bass player". Sorry Violet but that just comes off as juvenile.
Violet shouldn't have been in a postion to feel like she needed to make those comments. Someone should have shed some light on what went down. The band has obvious communication issues, and not just with each other. They've communicated poorly with their fans.
completely agree with kurt. maybe violet longs to be yoko?
and i really think bagboy is (very) mediocre, and i say that in a polite way.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 19:47:14
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"longs to be yoko"
"(very) mediocre"
Yes, clearly you are being polite. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 07/09/2013 : 20:21:36
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i really mean it - i just don't like bagboy at all. but hey, that is just my taste - and luckily different people have different taste. no need to feel offended.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2013 : 20:46:09
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i really mean it - i just don't like bagboy at all. but hey, that is just my taste - and luckily different people have different taste. no need to feel offended.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
Not even Joey's guitar? That shit sounds beautiful to me. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2013 : 23:16:48
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The yoko reference still works as a joke (like in Flight of The Conchords) but you got to remember she did that kind of things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCb0TsSIqI0
That was in 1970! John Lennon on guitar, Ringo Star on drums.
Maybe "yoko" is an easier name to remember than Mark David Chapman. |
Edited by - Grotesque on 07/09/2013 23:20:44 |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2013 : 14:56:02
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| Maybe a new Pixies song/video tomorrow? Bagboy was released two weeks after the Deal announcement... or do you think Bagboy was just released to promote the tour announcement? I'm hoping it's a trend. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/11/2013 : 15:07:23
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> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/12/2013 : 11:53:16
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http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/07/pixies-just-the-latest-rockers-to-make-violence-against-women-look-cool/277570/ Bagboy Stirs Some Controversy.
PUERTO RICO PIXIE
Interesting take on Bag Boy. Don't normally consider young 14 year old lads with bad acne as racist, misogynists really. I guess those pills he took must have scrambled his brain.
So the video alludes towards violence against women. How much media portrayal these days alludes to the reciprocal though, and which doesn't perhaps glorify it but gives off the impression that it's OK. Not maybe so much violence but pure unadulterated misandrism? Is that even a word or is my spell checker all a misandrist?
Just saying.
Glorifying violence against women in music videos is nothing new either, cf. Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy (a video and sentiment which I don't like or condone by the way, just to be clear on that before someone gets all up my ass about it)
Just saying. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/12/2013 : 11:58:41
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| Bag Boy also looks a bit like my mate Nick, who is a pill head. He goes round raking bins for things and makes a lot of money from it. It's his main income, being a severe schitzophrenic on DLA. We call him the Bin Guy. Interesting comparison if nothing else. |
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floop
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/12/2013 : 19:09:28
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Originally posted by pot
Bag Boy also looks a bit like my mate Nick, who is a pill head. He goes round raking bins for things and makes a lot of money from it. It's his main income, being a severe schitzophrenic on DLA. We call him the Bin Guy. Interesting comparison if nothing else.
he's your mate?
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they were the heroes of old, men of renown. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/12/2013 : 23:13:28
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
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Originally posted by pot
Bag Boy also looks a bit like my mate Nick, who is a pill head. He goes round raking bins for things and makes a lot of money from it. It's his main income, being a severe schitzophrenic on DLA. We call him the Bin Guy. Interesting comparison if nothing else.
he's your mate?
Well I only see him about every once in three years but yes, why not?
You'd be amazed at what people throw out around here, he's basically a modern day rag and bone man (without the cart) |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/13/2013 : 13:06:13
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/13/2013 : 13:19:36
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There's a lot of studio recording stuff on the internet around these days of bands doing that, it's good shit.
I know what you mean about videos though, they tend to distract from the song a lot and often can negatively alter your perception of an otherwise good song, then when you later relisten to it somehow you then like it.
I think it can be one of the most difficult things to do to make a video for a song, and I see lot's of good bands all the times fucking it up, or hiring someone to do it and they fuck it up, even sometimes spending a lot of money on it.
But sometimes they get it right, and there are a lot of really great music videos out there, some of which are slowly filling up my HD via youtubedownloader.
I think Bagboy is not a bad video though, and what I like even more about it is the fact that I don't really know what it's about. That's the Pixies and FB all over though, ambiguity and nonsensicality. I think this is a measure of good art if you can create something that doesn't necessary mean something, whether unintended or otherwise.
As far as the song goes, it's not held my interest for more than 2 days and exactly what I expected new Pixies material to sound like, forced and mediocre. It's just not fresh and nothing they record now will ever be. As far as I am concerned I don't really care either way about a new album, but I will listen to one keenly if released.
I think they should just scrap the whole idea of making a 6th album and do something collaboratively with the three remaining members and a variety of other musicians. Do covers and stuff, new songs, whatever works. A kind of Pixies version of FMRM maybe? |
Edited by - pot on 07/13/2013 13:21:38 |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/13/2013 : 15:55:31
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| I think the other three Pixies are making new music collaboratively, with Ding Archer playing bass and Jeremy Dodds doing backing vox. I'm sure others will be or have been brought in at various points - EDF? Kim Shattuck? To my ears it sounds like Pixies and a lot of this is down to BF writing Pixies styled songs, Pixies drumming, Joey's guitar work and Gil Norton coaxing a Pixies album out of them. It may not be "classic" Pixies material of 1987-89, but neither was Pixies material released in 1990-93 and Bossonova is my favourite album. So bring on the next batch of tunes. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/13/2013 : 16:02:29
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
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Posted - 07/14/2013 : 01:43:23
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Don't really get what Pot means by "fresh" regarding 'Bagboy'. I feel the complete opposite, actually. Joey's guitar will always make what they record sound like the Pixies, so there's no escaping that, which is great news to me, because I feel that Frank's albums haven't had a great lead guitarist since Cult of Ray. And besides, they are not in their teens, they've been doing this for more than twenty years. What would make new Pixies songs sound "fresh" at this moment in their creative lives? Are people expecting a Tom Waits-type reinvention or something?
The new song sounds nothing like the manic 87-89 songs (like 'Gyaneshwar' would have probably sounded like if it was released by the Pixies), which is what I feared the most they would try to do, that manic energy is inseparable from what those four guys were at the time and Frank's songwriting has naturally evolved. 'Bagboy' seems more conceptual than what they did in Bossanova and TLM (maybe 'Space (I believe in)' being a distant cousin?). I doesn't have that much vocal melody, which is fine, the guitars more than make up for that. Cool quirky song and a natural progression from what FB was doing, but with Joey, Dave and Gil Norton in on the mix, as Helmut pointed out. Roll out the album.
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