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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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 Posted - 06/15/2013 : 09:16:02
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| I think there is more speculation about possibilities surrounding this band than there are parallel universes to allocate each one it's own unique existence. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 11:16:26
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Anyone know if Alison Shaw from the Cranes can still sing like a little girl? Maybe she can do the Kim Deal vocals and they can just get anyone they like on the bass. I fear kim Schattuck isn't going to cut it with the combo vocals. I reckon Kim Gordon would provide an interesting slant. To be honest from what I've heard of Schattuck she doesn't have a particularly good voice, it's more 4 Non Blondes/Britpop kind of shouty than the wishy wishy vs. screaming monster style that is so definitive of the Pixies style. You can't have a band called the Pixies and not have at least one member that sounds like a pixie!
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 11:22:32
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Why do so many people assume the existing three will a) continue on together and b) keep the name PIXIES if they do? The new album is great, whether they tour it or not. Plus a posthumous album will be a brilliant bookend for the life of such an erratic and chaotically brilliant band.
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Maybe we are assuming because unlike you, we seem to have NO concrete proof any new album was made with or without Kim. So there is a lot up in the air.
Also, why would they make a statement about her place in the Pixies being there for her, if they weren't going to continue using the name?
But hey, if you want to share whatever info you have on the new album and how fantastic it is, please do. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 11:25:00
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| A little birdy told me last year there was no album at all, and it's actually all just rumours, oh yeah it was that guy Charles or something they call him.. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 11:26:43
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| Anyway the only thing that makes sense just now is that there was an album in the pipeline, but apparently Kim has pooed on it so they either have to rerecord it with a new bassist or just get on with their newly found post-Pixies lives (the second wave). |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 11:28:16
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Originally posted by natenate101
Fissile, thanks for clearing it up. In regards to Charles being stingy about the division of profits, I don't buy it. If anything, he seems to have been the most willing to make new Pixies music, and I would think he'd have been willing to also make concessions in regards to money in order to entice Kim to agree. You seem to be equating Early 90s Charles who did a few questionable things and has since regretted, to current Family man and seemingly overall grounded Charles. Don't see that as being fair. I'm sure they all would have gotten a good chunk of cash for any new music, but it just seems like not everyone wanted to go that route.
Interested to see who makes more in=depth comments on this first, Charles/Joey/Dave or Kim?
It's not a question of being stingy, 50/50 split for singer-songwriter/band is fairly standard. Lennon and McCartney got more money than George and Ringo because they owned the rights to most of the songs. If Thompson agrees to an equal 4-way cut to all the profits, he's admitting that "his" band is really partnership. He'll never agree to a partnership. BTW, Kim owns the Breeders name and she owns most of the songs as well, I don't see a whole lot of sharing going on there either.
I understand that songwriters get a bigger share, but you are alleging he is withholding a fair share from Kim and that's what may have made her quit. I don't agree. I'd be willing to bet that since they have reunited, the money split between the four is a lot more even than it ever was. Sure, if he wrote the majority of the new songs (if they have recorded them), it makes sense for him to have a higher cut. As you said, Kim leads The Breeders so surely she'd understand. I can't imagine this is a reason for her leaving, |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 11:35:25
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| Breeders? How many sprogs has Chuck got now? Any more on the way? I can understand he might be a bit out of pocket these days. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 12:13:46
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| Finding a good singer will be tough for sure. This is a big loss to the band, but having a group of people who actually want to work together far outweighs the cons. Kim Shattuck is not a good singer, keep looking. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 12:14:41
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Originally posted by natenate101
I understand that songwriters get a bigger share, but you are alleging he is withholding a fair share from Kim and that's what may have made her quit. I don't agree. I'd be willing to bet that since they have reunited, the money split between the four is a lot more even than it ever was. Sure, if he wrote the majority of the new songs (if they have recorded them), it makes sense for him to have a higher cut. As you said, Kim leads The Breeders so surely she'd understand. I can't imagine this is a reason for her leaving,
OK, perhaps I expressed myself badly. I didn't mean to imply that Kim was not being given proper credit, I meant to say that she feels entitled to more, since she views the band as a partnership, which it never was.
As for the money grab tour, yes, I believe the profits were split in a more equitable fashion. I also believe Charles wants to retain the previous business arrangements as concerns any new album. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 12:15:18
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Originally posted by pot
Breeders? How many sprogs has Chuck got now? Any more on the way? I can understand he might be a bit out of pocket these days.
They did quite well during their on-again, off-again Filthy Lucre Tour. If they are careful, they will never need to work again for the rest of their lives. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 12:18:55
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| Its also hilarious that it is basically 1990 again, and Frank was trying to get Kim out of the band, right after the Doolittle tour and Kim was revving up the Breeders. We will get an answer the question "is there Pixies without Kim?", finally. |
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 13:00:26
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 13:32:34
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Fissle: 1)"In 1993 Kim was a young, attractive woman who came off as hip. Today Kim looks like a tired, middle aged woman." Yeah I guess looks is everything, huh, Fis? Very very essential to good music and vocals. And like Frank isnt obese, bald and looking middle aged at all. He look like a stud.
2)"Thompson has played this masterfully" Yeah, it's all about the 'business', huh? And how well you can PLAY other people in this dog-eat-dog business world. Just FAX them.
3) "Kim is going to be really sorry" Wow, arent you the sensitive, all-knowing type. |
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 13:39:28
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I care but I don't care at the same time. I find this interesting. None of us knows what's going on...new album, no new album? Did Kim record tracks? Would they be re-recorded? Is that if for the band? Why did this happen? Sure, one can examine interviews from the past and construct a logical argument for the original break-up and can extrapolate from there to now; but it's just speculation.
Seeing how different people on this forum process Kim quitting and express what it means to them and what they think might happen is even more interesting to me.
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badronald
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 13:50:22
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| I'd loan my left nut to see Storm Large fill in the 'Kim' role for a song or two. But there is no replacing Kim Deal in the Pixies. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 14:23:32
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
I care but I don't care at the same time. I find this interesting. None of us knows what's going on...new album, no new album? Did Kim record tracks? Would they be re-recorded? Is that if for the band? Why did this happen? Sure, one can examine interviews from the past and construct a logical argument for the original break-up and can extrapolate from there to now; but it's just speculation.
Seeing how different people on this forum process Kim quitting and express what it means to them and what they think might happen is even more interesting to me.
Here is what we do know:
1) When the Pixies finished with their 2011 tour Dave said, "See you in 2013."
2) Joe and Charles were together at a recording studio in Wales, a studio favored by Gil Norton.
3) Violet posted a picture of Kim taken at a UK pub.
4) Charles kept dropping little hints about something new in the works.
5) Kim announces she is going to tour Last Splash
6) Silence.
7) Pixies announce Kim is no longer a member of the band.
This monkey's gone to heaven.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 14:43:16
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| 8) Charles posted "Silver Snail" Pixies artwork on instagram last night... someone said something to the effect of, "I'd love a print of that" and Charles said, "that can be arranged" or "I can broker that". So... does that mean there was a Pixies album called Silver Snail that's essentially being junked now, or is it still in the works? |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 15:17:05
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| I've been looking around the net for the last hour or so at all the news and music sights that carried this story. Judging from the replies readers have been leaving, the majority don't seem to care. |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 15:29:00
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Breaking News-PIXIES
Robert Trujillo to replace Kim Deal |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 15:35:08
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| You forgot that Frank said in an interview that an album was recorded last fall and that he isn't sure what it is yet. |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 15:42:56
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| Robert Trujillo knows what it's gonna be |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 15:44:22
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 15:45:39
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This was posted by louder than war, whomever they are.
Kim Deal quits the Pixies...her bass lines rerecorded on album - Louder Than War |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 16:33:18
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| Who is Frank going to give the tape to this time? |
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oddball
- FB Fan -
Germany
242 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 16:34:07
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This same louder than war article mentions the band's "new English bass player".
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 16:36:49
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 17:35:29
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| The other 3 would have come out and said the band had finished rather than release a press statement saying Kim Deal quit the band. Remember it was Charles and Joeys band to begin with, and so what Bill Wyman has left the band. I am just looking forward to new Pixies albums. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 18:19:21
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by natenate101
I'm curious about the legal ramifications to this. Could Kim block any future use of the Pixies brand now that she is out? Sort of a Gilmour/Waters type of situation?
No, Kim can not block use of the Pixies name. The Pixies name is registered to Thompson and Thompson alone. Thompson owns most of the Pixies publishing outright -- Kim, Joe and Dave are credited as co-writers on a few tunes. The Pixies is owned lock, stock and barrel by Thompson. He could hire Jay Z, Lady Gaga, and the Artist Formerly Known as Prince and legally tour it as the Pixies. On the other hand, if any of the others attempted to tour as the Pixies, Thompson would slap them with a "cease and desist".
The only rights Kim has is to her own voice and bass playing. Thompson can not use any of it, except as originally agreed, without her permission. For example, let's say Thompson wanted to license one of the Pixie songs for a TV advertisement. All the members would have to agree if he wanted use the original recording, but there is nothing stopping him from stripping out Kim's voice and bass playing and replacing it with a session musician.
If Kim contributed to a new Pixies record and then backed out, she could legally demand that here parts be excluded, but that doesn't prevent Thompson from redoing her bits using another musician.
All this legal business was a big part of the original break-up. As the guy who started the band, and as the singer/song-writer, and the person who owned the publishing rights, Thompson would have received the bulk of the profits from the Pixies during their original go around.....I'm gonna guess 50% with the balance divided up between the other 3. I think this was a very cross point with Kim, who saw herself more as partner, and not just the hired help. I think the people surrounded her at the time were telling her likewise.
I think the recent break-up was about control, and how the pie was going to be divided. I think Thompson refused to change the original business terms to any great extent and Kim bolted. I think she overplayed her hand this time. In 1993 Kim/Kelley were young attractive women who came off as the hip, older sisters a lot of kids would have like to have as siblings. Today Kim looks and acts like what she is: A tired, middle-aged woman. Whatever cache she had is mostly gone now.
I think that Thompson has played this masterfully so far. If he brings in a new bass player....and I think is should be a woman....a few hardcore fans and critics will hold up their noses, but if the music can stand on it's own, this could be a new (successful) chapter in the Pixies history.
I've got a feeling Kim is going to be sorry.
you have no idea what you're talking about. all of that stuff is specific to whatever contract they have, and i'm guessing you don't have access to that info
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 18:21:00
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if I had to speculate, I would say the reason for the announcement is kind of a 'fuck you'. not something that actually 'needed' to be announced
A 'Fuck You' from the fellas to Kim? Why though?
more the other way around
green star member since 2006. smb?
That makes even less sense tbh. If she were trying to send a message, it would've been a statement issued by her or her agent, not the remaining members.
I'm curious about the legal ramifications to this. Could Kim block any future use of the Pixies brand now that she is out? Sort of a Gilmour/Waters type of situation?
do we know specifically where the message came from? i'm honestly asking. i assumed it came from the Kim camp
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
405 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 18:35:05
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Whew! I'm going out for a drink. I'll leave you girls to discuss all the GOSSIP and RUMOURS. Don't forget to watch the ladies on "The View" to hear the latest.
Lastly: FB makes non-Pixies albums; Joey guests on alot of them; Dave does magic on the side. Who the fuck cares...it's FB music that counts. So, DEATH TO LA PIXIES. No Kim = Faux Pixies. Frank be bald, Joey be bald, Dave be bald. Kim = beautiful head of hair. |
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 18:41:35
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Fuck it! with all the borrrrrrrrrrring speculation I'll add prepoterous possible scenarios The Beaxies:FB on guit and NO vocals Paul McCartney on bass and SCREAMING vocals (helter skelterish) Joey & Dave-drums & magic
The Creamxies: FB on rhythm guit. Jack Bruce on bass and vocals. Joey and Dave
The Pinxies: FB, Roger W on bass, and like that
Now, cut this shit out already! hahaha |
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windupbird
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 18:56:34
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I just came across this, in an NME article - it's no big news and it seems to be referring to the Charles Normal project that was mentioned before, but at least it says "july 8".. Not sure how much Black Francis is featured but it should be an interesting record:
Meanwhile, frontman Frank Black recently revealed details of his latest project; a supergroup named Thriftstore Masterpiece. Thriftstore Masterpiece are described as "an all-star music collective devoted to paying homage to the underdog records of years past". Joining Black in the collective are Pete Yorn, Isaac Brock of Modest Mouse, Courtney Taylor-Taylor of Dandy Warhols and Art Brut frontman Eddie Argos, The group will release its first album, a revival of Lee Hazlewood’s 1963 debut 'Trouble Is A Lonesome Town', on July 8.
Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/pixies/70857#bIYfUPf65x3HPMuM.99 |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 19:00:04
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simbaby you need a beer
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 19:06:16
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you might also need a diaper
green star member since 2006. smb? |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 19:22:50
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fissile i love you but seriously, suck my balls. you have no clue what you'er talking about. yet, you sit here and spill information as if it's a god given fact. are you John Mendelsohn?
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Kim Deal quits the band
