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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 06/14/2013 : 15:06:30
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 15:07:58
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Originally posted by pot
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why would they record an album in Wales with Kim in London? That's got to be made up.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 15:08:36
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| I never ever thought of the Pixies reformation as them getting back together as a solid band, it was just like them bowing to public demand and playing some live gigs. I don't think anyone expected them to be doing it for so many years. Without any new albums it's not like they were really ever back together properly anyway, so in that respect i don't really understand what Kim 'leaving the band' actually means. They haven't made a new album for 22 years, there are no new albums on the horizon (or are there...) and they haven't played live together for over a year at least so there isn't really a band to leave from anyway. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 15:21:23
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if I had to speculate, I would say the reason for the announcement is kind of a 'fuck you'. not something that actually 'needed' to be announced
 green star member since 2006. smb? |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 15:38:34
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Originally posted by floop
if I had to speculate, I would say the reason for the announcement is kind of a 'fuck you'. not something that actually 'needed' to be announced
A 'Fuck You' from the fellas to Kim? Why though?
I agree with those that hope FB and co. blow off possible backlash and just do what seems artistically fitting.
What if they just install a touring bassist but on any new music where female vocals are needed they use several different Guest vocalists? Maybe that would ease the negative feelings towards using someone other than Kim, making them just guests and not actual Pixies bandmembers.
Overall though, seems like a name change to Black Francis & the _________ makes sense to me. But that would be abandoning the Pixies name and in the fanbase it brings, Kim or no Kim. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 16:25:58
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Originally posted by natenate101
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Originally posted by floop
if I had to speculate, I would say the reason for the announcement is kind of a 'fuck you'. not something that actually 'needed' to be announced
A 'Fuck You' from the fellas to Kim? Why though?
more the other way around
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
518 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 17:19:09
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Meanwhile, in California, Melissa Auf Der Maur's phone starts to ring.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 18:36:41
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by natenate101
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Originally posted by floop
if I had to speculate, I would say the reason for the announcement is kind of a 'fuck you'. not something that actually 'needed' to be announced
A 'Fuck You' from the fellas to Kim? Why though?
more the other way around
green star member since 2006. smb?
That makes even less sense tbh. If she were trying to send a message, it would've been a statement issued by her or her agent, not the remaining members.
I'm curious about the legal ramifications to this. Could Kim block any future use of the Pixies brand now that she is out? Sort of a Gilmour/Waters type of situation? |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 18:43:01
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This news doesn't suprise me considering she has been touring the classic Breeders line-up and may/may not record a new album with them.
Everything points to Kim playing on the new album, I guess the other 3 couldn't wait in limbo while she does an endless Breeders tour. Hoping this means the new Pixies album is released soon. Hasn't Frank been playing with that other bassplayer called Kim lately? Possible tour replacement? |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:05:17
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FB recently posted 2 x pics on instagram of almost identical artwork: one titled PIXIES the other titled SILVER SNAIL.
Coincidence?
I have the key to #902 |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:12:07
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NEW SONGS FROM FRANK, NEW SONGS FROM FRANK, NEW SONGS FROM FRANK...
That is absolutely, truly, completely, and unequivocally all that I care about.
Don't care who's playing bass, don't care what the line-up of the Pixies is, don't care if Pitchfork hates it, don't care if Twitter hates it, don't care if you hate it, don't care if it bombs all around. I've followed Frank's music avidly for almost twenty years now. I love what he does and I trust him. The concept of "the Pixies" is not a sacred and magical thing to me. I just like Frank and I will always want to hear anything new that he puts out.
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:14:27
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Final thought. To me, the Pixies existed from 1987-1991. They put out 5 of the greatest/uniquest albums ever. They did it with the same 4 musicians. If those same 4 are not together, there is no Pixies. Their tour in 2004-05 was great especially foe me who was too young to see them originally.......and I saw them a bunch of times, ecstatically so. Then the tour went on and on and on ad NAUSEUM........then it became the "Doolittle" tour then....blah blah. Go out with some class, Charles. You made your $, deservedly so. Dont use the name PIXIES if Kim isnt in the band.
Reminds me of Led Zeppelin....same 4 guys for all their stuff. Still totally on top when Bonham left. And they, showing alot of CLASS and INTEGRITY refused to continue despite the fact that many great drummers were available. Page, Plant & JPJ were much more capable of carrying on, but out of their musical integrity, never reformed w/out their original guy. But then again, Page never disbanded the band by FAX!
The PIXIES is dead. Dont use the PIXIES name without Kim Deal. Dig? |
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:17:16
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| Hey, Jason........then dont post your childish adoration of frank in "the Pixies" news section. Post in in the "Frank" section. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:24:09
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Originally posted by 1965
FB recently posted 2 x pics on instagram of almost identical artwork: one titled PIXIES the other titled SILVER SNAIL.
Coincidence?
I have the key to #902
Given the new song he played live (Silver Snail) registered to rice & beans... not likely a coincidence. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:27:42
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Originally posted by simibaby
Final thought. To me, the Pixies existed from 1987-1991. They put out 5 of the greatest/uniquest albums ever. They did it with the same 4 musicians. If those same 4 are not together, there is no Pixies. Their tour in 2004-05 was great especially foe me who was too young to see them originally.......and I saw them a bunch of times, ecstatically so. Then the tour went on and on and on ad NAUSEUM........then it became the "Doolittle" tour then....blah blah. Go out with some class, Charles. You made your $, deservedly so. Dont use the name PIXIES if Kim isnt in the band.
Reminds me of Led Zeppelin....same 4 guys for all their stuff. Still totally on top when Bonham left. And they, showing alot of CLASS and INTEGRITY refused to continue despite the fact that many great drummers were available. Page, Plant & JPJ were much more capable of carrying on, but out of their musical integrity, never reformed w/out their original guy. But then again, Page never disbanded the band by FAX!
The PIXIES is dead. Dont use the PIXIES name without Kim Deal. Dig?
The rumor is that 'Zeppelin' is in the studio right now. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 19:29:52
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Originally posted by simibaby
Hey, Jason........then dont post your childish adoration of frank in "the Pixies" news section. Post in in the "Frank" section.
Not gonna fight with you. I think you should have your opinion on this news story. I have mine, as well. If you feel threatened by it, that's not my intention. Nor or is it my problem, for that matter. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 20:25:10
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 20:31:01
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Originally posted by Jason
NEW SONGS FROM FRANK, NEW SONGS FROM FRANK, NEW SONGS FROM FRANK...
That is absolutely, truly, completely, and unequivocally all that I care about.
Don't care who's playing bass, don't care what the line-up of the Pixies is, don't care if Pitchfork hates it, don't care if Twitter hates it, don't care if you hate it, don't care if it bombs all around. I've followed Frank's music avidly for almost twenty years now. I love what he does and I trust him. The concept of "the Pixies" is not a sacred and magical thing to me. I just like Frank and I will always want to hear anything new that he puts out.
I agree. And simibaby, attacking some as for professing their love of Frank Black on a Frank Black forum is childish. He's not knocking the Pixies, just saying what a lot of us feel - the need for more new music.
NSE came out half way through my undergrad, I'm finishing my Masters now. Lets get a new album soon. |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
315 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 20:51:00
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2013 : 20:53:58
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I like Kim Deal. I think it'd be great if she stayed in the band for whatever future it has. But that's not gonna happen.
For some people, the magic of "the Pixies" will be lessened for her absence and I accept that.
But that's not true for me. And that's all I'm saying.
Do the remaining Pixies have new music brewing? I have no idea. My best guess is that they do.
And when/if it comes out, it will, for me, not be the follow-up to Trompe le Monde. For me, it's the follow-up to Nonstoperotik and The Golem. |
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/14/2013 : 22:04:32
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Isn't it roughly ten years since the original break-up? Maybe Kim doesn't want to release new music but her quitting paves the way for them to do so. Since she's now out of the band, they can do whatever they want and have that freedom and she doesn't have to worry about the legacy. She's got the Breeders, etc.
I don't know.
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 02:14:34
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A commenter on the AVClub said they recorded with a scratch bass and Kim contributed from London. Another said they had a friend who heard the record and said it was "solid". Lets not forget the manager guy who said he was listening to new Pixies.
Did Kim oppose its release at the 11th hour? Is her Breeders tour causing conflict? Would they redo Kim's parts or release it as is?
I sure hope there's not a Pixies album out there that's never going to be released.
i've heard this too.
apparently kim was recording in london, but then suddenly flew back, without letting anyone know. she also demanded that the parts that she recorded were not used on the album.
and when she was later asked why she suddenly left, she said that she had no idea.
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 02:15:35
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To me it feels a bit strange, not the decision itself as they never really appeared to be a band during the reunion. Got that feeling from loud quiet loud where Kim would be in her own tour bus, to me it seemed like a temporary thing.
But what is strange is that I don't think this decision is a reactionary or spur of the moment decision. Going by previous posts by the band and what not, its clear there has been some nostalgia going on with posts of pictures of the band in their heyday
reminiscing about gigs etc, promises of major breaking news and the secrecy surrounding a new album or the pixies in general.
All the while the cryptic post quoting yoko ono how we're all water from the same ocean and evaporating together seems to make some sense now.
I think the band have known for a while but maybe (just maybe) Kims final act or gift as a bandmember is to record that album the others have been pushing for then go her own way again. Maybe now the album is finished and the legal stuff is out the way they felt they could announce the news that they were so sworn to secrecy about. Assuming the new album is done.
It certainly raises the interest for a new pixies album, giving the potential new album a sort of mortality, it may very well be death to the pixies.
Will they tour it? I dont think so as every man and his dog has seen the pixies now on their reunion tour. while there would be some
interest in a new album tour i doubt it would generate the same interest as a greatest hits tour and without Kim it would definitely be less.
Of course if BF, Joey and Dave have been putting all their eggs into this basket then they may decide to tour with a Kim replacement.
After all it is BF's band.
Or they may decide to release the album and let the pixies brand sit in hiatus until Martians invade and the only way to save planet earth is for all 4 original members of the Pixies to play Planet of Sound on the
Olympus Mons(!)
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 02:38:04
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| I guess if the stories about Kim in London are true then I might surmise that she has been asked to leave the band. Either record an album with us or GTFO kind of thing. Seems fair enough to me. A shame, but understandable. |
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jordomaher
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 02:41:05
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Lads! I think someone should make a big long video of all the live performances and stuff where her and the guys are all laughing together and having a great time..... Or anything that might bring her back :( Its so heart breaking :'(
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brickisred
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 03:27:00
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I think that, assuming they release a new album, with or without Kim, touring or not touring is not an issue to be considered right now. They release the album, see the reception (which may be very different from the critics and the public and very different from the die hard Pixies fans and the casual ones). Then they get a feeling of what the public expects next. They may decide to eventually tour if there is a clear and strong demand for it, and pass otherwise. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 04:35:57
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Can't see Kim making new music with the band, then quitting before it sees the light of day...seems to me either she is not happy with they have made, or just doesn't want to take part in any new tunes at all. Shame,
I'm with Jason, just give us some new music to chew over and absorb. Anything featuring Charles, Joey and Dave would be an event. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
518 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 06:01:56
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Originally posted by natenate101
I'm curious about the legal ramifications to this. Could Kim block any future use of the Pixies brand now that she is out? Sort of a Gilmour/Waters type of situation?
No, Kim can not block use of the Pixies name. The Pixies name is registered to Thompson and Thompson alone. Thompson owns most of the Pixies publishing outright -- Kim, Joe and Dave are credited as co-writers on a few tunes. The Pixies is owned lock, stock and barrel by Thompson. He could hire Jay Z, Lady Gaga, and the Artist Formerly Known as Prince and legally tour it as the Pixies. On the other hand, if any of the others attempted to tour as the Pixies, Thompson would slap them with a "cease and desist".
The only rights Kim has is to her own voice and bass playing. Thompson can not use any of it, except as originally agreed, without her permission. For example, let's say Thompson wanted to license one of the Pixie songs for a TV advertisement. All the members would have to agree if he wanted use the original recording, but there is nothing stopping him from stripping out Kim's voice and bass playing and replacing it with a session musician.
If Kim contributed to a new Pixies record and then backed out, she could legally demand that here parts be excluded, but that doesn't prevent Thompson from redoing her bits using another musician.
All this legal business was a big part of the original break-up. As the guy who started the band, and as the singer/song-writer, and the person who owned the publishing rights, Thompson would have received the bulk of the profits from the Pixies during their original go around.....I'm gonna guess 50% with the balance divided up between the other 3. I think this was a very cross point with Kim, who saw herself more as partner, and not just the hired help. I think the people surrounded her at the time were telling her likewise.
I think the recent break-up was about control, and how the pie was going to be divided. I think Thompson refused to change the original business terms to any great extent and Kim bolted. I think she overplayed her hand this time. In 1993 Kim/Kelley were young attractive women who came off as the hip, older sisters a lot of kids would have like to have as siblings. Today Kim looks and acts like what she is: A tired, middle-aged woman. Whatever cache she had is mostly gone now.
I think that Thompson has played this masterfully so far. If he brings in a new bass player....and I think is should be a woman....a few hardcore fans and critics will hold up their noses, but if the music can stand on it's own, this could be a new (successful) chapter in the Pixies history.
I've got a feeling Kim is going to be sorry. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 06:33:15
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 06:38:16
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 07:17:07
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Fissile, thanks for clearing it up. In regards to Charles being stingy about the division of profits, I don't buy it. If anything, he seems to have been the most willing to make new Pixies music, and I would think he'd have been willing to also make concessions in regards to money in order to entice Kim to agree. You seem to be equating Early 90s Charles who did a few questionable things and has since regretted, to current Family man and seemingly overall grounded Charles. Don't see that as being fair. I'm sure they all would have gotten a good chunk of cash for any new music, but it just seems like not everyone wanted to go that route.
Interested to see who makes more in=depth comments on this first, Charles/Joey/Dave or Kim? |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 07:43:13
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Originally posted by natenate101
Fissile, thanks for clearing it up. In regards to Charles being stingy about the division of profits, I don't buy it. If anything, he seems to have been the most willing to make new Pixies music, and I would think he'd have been willing to also make concessions in regards to money in order to entice Kim to agree. You seem to be equating Early 90s Charles who did a few questionable things and has since regretted, to current Family man and seemingly overall grounded Charles. Don't see that as being fair. I'm sure they all would have gotten a good chunk of cash for any new music, but it just seems like not everyone wanted to go that route.
Interested to see who makes more in=depth comments on this first, Charles/Joey/Dave or Kim?
It's not a question of being stingy, 50/50 split for singer-songwriter/band is fairly standard. Lennon and McCartney got more money than George and Ringo because they owned the rights to most of the songs. If Thompson agrees to an equal 4-way cut to all the profits, he's admitting that "his" band is really partnership. He'll never agree to a partnership. BTW, Kim owns the Breeders name and she owns most of the songs as well, I don't see a whole lot of sharing going on there either. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 08:46:33
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I think they should get some hot young bass player and go out anyway, just to rub her nose in it.
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I agree completely with this. Just hire some hot, tight chick who has one of those "I'm really original" personalities and move on.
I still think a new album will happen. I just hope Kim leaving wasn't because she thought the demos were garbage...but since her music is so horrible that might be a good sign. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2013 : 09:00:04
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Why do so many people assume the existing three will a) continue on together and b) keep the name PIXIES if they do? The new album is great, whether they tour it or not. Plus a posthumous album will be a brilliant bookend for the life of such an erratic and chaotically brilliant band.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2013 : 09:10:05
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Why do so many people assume the existing three will a) continue on together and b) keep the name PIXIES if they do? The new album is great, whether they tour it or not. Plus a posthumous album will be a brilliant bookend for the life of such an erratic and chaotically brilliant band.
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It's hard not to speculate! Tell us more about the album, please! |
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