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Fissile
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 Posted - 12/15/2012 : 03:29:02
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Originally posted by Ziggy
I'm starting to get tired of Fissile's inane and bitter posts.
Bitter? Let's see.
Thompson, starting in 2004 and repeated every year to the present --
"Super new project in the works! Might start with the letter 'P'. Hint, hint." Six months later. "Here's some new crap I did with my tone deaf wife. Enjoy!"
Deal, Since 2004 --
"I don't want to do any new Pixies because it would tarnish the band's legacy." Translation: "I won't give that fat fuck the satisfaction."
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floop
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 08:37:32
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Originally posted by Fissile
Typical response of fan boiz.
Here are the facts:
The main reason for the Pixies break-up was the EXTREME animosity that existed between Charles and Kim. This animosity was so bad, Thompson didn't speak a word to Deal for 12 years. There are Black fans who blame Deal, and visa versa....I'm not really interested in hanging blame all one or the other....but the bad feelings are an undeniable fact.
Thompson's motivation for reforming the Pixies was money....simple as that. Charles wanted to start a family, but his lamentable solo career wasn't earning him enough to cut it. Joe and Dave needed the cash just as badly. Kim didn't need the money as badly, but I'm sure the lucrative offer motivated her in part. I also believe that she did want to help Joe who needed the cash to raise his family. Despite all of Kim's failings, I believe that she is capable of such sincere gestures toward people that she likes.
It's also quite obvious that since the reunion Thompson and Deal have not really come to terms with each other. They manage to be civil with each other, but there is no friendship.
Since the reunion, Thompson has repeatedly played his fans for chumps. He talks cryptically of new material, hinting that it might be new Pixies, and then churns out some craptastic embarrassment featuring his talentless wife.
I think the recent Deal interview linked at the top of this thread hints at what is really taking place. For instance, Kim states that milking past glories for money is the only option for someone who wants to continue with music as a "hobby". Whom is she referring to? Herself or Thompson?
I'm gonna bet that there aren't going to be any new Pixies....certainly not with Deal on board.
there's no way I'm reading all that. can't be bothered
sure it's more of the same. I just wonder how you'd like people speculating about your private life in creepy ways, like you do with Kim. like if I were to say I bet you have a small penis or some serious repressed homosexuality issues. I don't know you, but I could speculate. .. why else all the hate towards women?
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 09:44:08
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Originally posted by Grotesque
I'm you're man? I guess that explain the syntetic feel on the orange album... Songs like teachers or avalanche sound much more like the early pixies.
I read somewhere he talked to EDF about getting Langer and Winstanley's chunky keyboard sound that he heard on Madness records, that he listened to Madness a lot in the studio. You can certainly hear that on Yellow, especially on Every Time I Go Around Here which is pure Madness circa The Rise and Fall. And that chunky ska sound turned up on other recordings around that time; Amnesia, Fiddle Riddle.
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Fissile
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 11:04:47
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Originally posted by floop
there's no way I'm reading all that. can't be bothered
sure it's more of the same. I just wonder how you'd like people speculating about your private life in creepy ways, like you do with Kim. like if I were to say I bet you have a small penis or some serious repressed homosexuality issues. I don't know you, but I could speculate. .. why else all the hate towards women?
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What the hell are you talking about, "private lives"? All this stuff was dealt with in the various documentaries and interviews they have given. I used to be a fan, but that seems to be coming to an end. I mean, being lied to just so they can keep cashing in on past glories is getting to be a drag. |
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The New Bolero
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 12:10:03
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[/quote]I read somewhere he talked to EDF about getting Langer and Winstanley's chunky keyboard sound that he heard on Madness records, that he listened to Madness a lot in the studio. You can certainly hear that on Yellow, especially on Every Time I Go Around Here which is pure Madness circa The Rise and Fall. And that chunky ska sound turned up on other recordings around that time; Amnesia, Fiddle Riddle.
And he covered "One Step Beyond" on that 93 tour. |
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Jason
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 22:35:22
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Originally posted by Fissile
I used to be a fan, but that seems to be coming to an end.
Say it isn't so, Fissle!!
I always loved your insightful posts and observations about music.
Oh, wait. There's never been any of those. You've just been this site's resident gossip hound the whole time.
Never mind. |
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/16/2012 : 13:04:12
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
And he covered "One Step Beyond" on that 93 tour.
Really? Didn't know that. Did someone play sax or was there just a lead guitar fill?
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Posted - 12/16/2012 : 14:22:32
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by floop
there's no way I'm reading all that. can't be bothered
sure it's more of the same. I just wonder how you'd like people speculating about your private life in creepy ways, like you do with Kim. like if I were to say I bet you have a small penis or some serious repressed homosexuality issues. I don't know you, but I could speculate. .. why else all the hate towards women?
green star member since 2006. smb?
What the hell are you talking about, "private lives"? All this stuff was dealt with in the various documentaries and interviews they have given. I used to be a fan, but that seems to be coming to an end. I mean, being lied to just so they can keep cashing in on past glories is getting to be a drag.
most of the stuff you spew is pure speculation. speculation about Kim being a "scorned woman", speculation about how each band member feels about the other, about if there will be a new album or not. for someone who ostensibly doesn't like Kim or Pixies you spend a lot of time obsessing about it
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/16/2012 : 14:44:53
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| That thing about frank being obsessed by madness or leonard cohen at one point doesnt surprise me and makes me think once again that now he musnt get really excited and thrilled by anything in pop music and that makes his songwriting a bit less relevant... i think as true post modern artist he needs to challenge himself with the classics, kind of "can i make something in the same vibe but with a new taste". Like he did with the rolling stones at one point with the catholics... I doubt he could do that with himself, like "oh, i'm gonna take that 80's band the pixies and make it sound better"... it's like a snake eating his own tail isnt it? Frank is the ultimate recycler, he needs some material from the pop music. I guess Tarantino has the same problem right now! Is there a life after post modernism? |
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Mickey
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Posted - 12/16/2012 : 15:22:02
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
And he covered "One Step Beyond" on that 93 tour.
If I remember correctly, "One Step Beyond" wasn't a cover of them Madness/Prince Buster song, but a cover of the theme song from the TV show of the same name.
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Edited by - Mickey on 12/16/2012 15:23:03 |
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The New Bolero
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Posted - 12/16/2012 : 16:40:56
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/17/2012 : 16:53:46
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Originally posted by Grotesque
That thing about frank being obsessed by madness or leonard cohen at one point doesnt surprise me and makes me think once again that now he musnt get really excited and thrilled by anything in pop music and that makes his songwriting a bit less relevant... i think as true post modern artist he needs to challenge himself with the classics, kind of "can i make something in the same vibe but with a new taste". Like he did with the rolling stones at one point with the catholics... I doubt he could do that with himself, like "oh, i'm gonna take that 80's band the pixies and make it sound better"... it's like a snake eating his own tail isnt it? Frank is the ultimate recycler, he needs some material from the pop music. I guess Tarantino has the same problem right now! Is there a life after post modernism?
Nah. If we really gave a shit we'd be talking about his paintings or whatever else is pumping him right now. But we don't. We just want him to keep doing that one little thing for us. Anyway he's doing that too. Soon. He said so recently.
He's better when he's not just recycling.
If Tarantino had any sense he'd work with this guy next http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hill
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Grotesque
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Posted - 12/19/2012 : 13:54:29
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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He's better when he's not just recycling.
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Mmm... Men in Black my be a tribute to the Clash but i could easily trade the complete Clash discography for that one song! The same goes for Jumping Beans and Lou Reed, Calistan and Dire Straits etc... I juste prefer Frank's version of the Clash/Lou Reed etc.. Just the oposite as when i try to listen to th Strokes or the early Rapture and then quickly think "oh let's listen to Television or PIL instead of that copy paste crap" |
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floop
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Posted - 12/19/2012 : 19:19:58
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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He's better when he's not just recycling.
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Mmm... Men in Black my be a tribute to the Clash but i could easily trade the complete Clash discography for that one song! The same goes for Jumping Beans and Lou Reed, Calistan and Dire Straits etc... I juste prefer Frank's version of the Clash/Lou Reed etc.. Just the oposite as when i try to listen to th Strokes or the early Rapture and then quickly think "oh let's listen to Television or PIL instead of that copy paste crap"
i respect your sentiments my french friend, but i'm not sure i'm seeing the same correlations. you're saying Men In Black is a Clash tribute? Jumping Beans is a Lou Reed homage? and Calistan is Dire Straights?
please elaborate. and also please pass the hashish
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/19/2012 : 22:53:54
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Originally posted by floop
my french friend
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/19/2012 : 23:18:27
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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He's better when he's not just recycling.
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Mmm... Men in Black my be a tribute to the Clash but i could easily trade the complete Clash discography for that one song! The same goes for Jumping Beans and Lou Reed, Calistan and Dire Straits etc... I juste prefer Frank's version of the Clash/Lou Reed etc.. Just the oposite as when i try to listen to th Strokes or the early Rapture and then quickly think "oh let's listen to Television or PIL instead of that copy paste crap"
Actually that's... quite persuasive. All except Dire Straits (more like Chris Rea via Dire Straits).
I have to agree. Chris Rea's back catalogue means nothing to me while Calistan is right out of Santa's sack.
Another one for you; he once sang South Bay in a dead on Neil Young voice.
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Mickey
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Posted - 12/20/2012 : 10:31:06
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Is it in the linear note to Oddballs where he describes every song as "me trying to be _____"? I think Jumping Beans was "Me trying to be Bowie" and Announcement was "Me trying to be the Who".
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 12/20/2012 : 17:03:51
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| That's right, the liner notes are written like that. I didn't really hear it; Frank trying to be whomever equals awesome Frank song that sounds like him to me. |
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floop
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Posted - 12/20/2012 : 19:54:23
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i guess someone could make a tenuous argument that his vocals on jumping beans are lou reed-esque inasmuch that he's doing the sort of talk/singing for some of it, but to me there is really no comparison. i definitely wouldn't call it a tribute. for that matter, furthermore, i hate to say it but i would not trade jumping beans for the entire Lou Reed catalog. i like jumping beans as much as the next guy. but come on. to be honest, as someone who went to a lot of Frank shows in the mid-90's after a while you sort of got over jumping beans. it's like, oh, he's playing jumping beans again? time to hit the restroom and get another beer. it was kind of like with bullet during the Catholics days. not saying i don't like bullet. i love bullet. but during those days they played the shit out of bullet. for a seasoned Frank concert-goer bullet was a definite piss / beer song
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danjersey
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Posted - 12/20/2012 : 20:47:17
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| uh, can't bother to read the above. word to the wise though, oddballs is all that it is cracked up to be and more |
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floop
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 03:09:25
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uh, can't bother to read the above. word to the wise though, oddballs is all that it is cracked up to be and more
not gonna read this
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vilainde
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 03:50:58
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He didn't play Jumping Beans that much in concert though. I have a couple live versions from '95-96 but that's it.
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I've read the Calistan/Dire Straits comparisons a couple of times before. That is so full of shit.
Don't see the Clash/MIB one either. But the Oddballs liner notes are generally well done. Especially Announcement/The Who and Baby That's Art/Bowie.
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 05:37:34
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He didn't play Jumping Beans that much in concert though. I have a couple live versions from '95-96 but that's it.
Denis
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he did tho
i was there
as an aside im in the commode
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The New Bolero
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 06:58:19
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| Me too. I remember first hearing it in 1994 on the solo tour w/TMBG. |
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 07:00:22
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I don't take those 'trading' comments literally. Frank generally brings more to a song/style than its originator (maybe not in Reed's case). He freely admits he's a massive fanboy and emulates in his songs. No big deal. He's no music snob. He liked Cars for chrissakes.
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 11:33:29
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Me too.
commode?
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Grotesque
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 12:38:20
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Originally posted by floop
(...)i would not trade jumping beans for the entire Lou Reed catalog.
That's just me, i love that song, it would rank in my top ten FB songs.
And i love bullet too. And Llano del Rio, Constant Sorrow Man, I burn today etc... I dont know how to call that particular FB vibe... folk-punk with arty storytelling? But i think that's what fits him best... |
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Grotesque
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 12:42:44
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Originally posted by floop
please elaborate. and also please pass the hashish
I cant elaborate, it was just the idea of Frank being a genius songwriter-recycler, i didnt want to give the perfect example, his work is full of that stuff... And i'm currently drinking wine. If i was smoking it would be weed, as i live in argentina. |
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Grotesque
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 12:52:56
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Originally posted by trobrianders
I don't take those 'trading' comments literally. Frank generally brings more to a song/style than its originator (maybe not in Reed's case). He freely admits he's a massive fanboy and emulates in his songs. No big deal. He's no music snob. He liked Cars for chrissakes.
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Ok, THAT's the point... Who is he a fan of nowadays? Miles Davies? I doubt he can use that influence for his songwriting... Could he be thrilled by the guys he's hanging out with, like Art Brut or the foo fighters... comon that's the degree zero of songrwriting! Frank needs fuel! If pop music is all shit he cant really write... Well that's my theory. See for example, around 90 he was really into They Might Be Giants, and they where actually making some really good record... so you got FB trying to beat them like Brian Wilson was trying to beat the beatles. Obviously, trying to beat the foo fighter or Placebo wont help him to make a new step. He's like a champion without a challenger! |
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hammerhands
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 13:43:26
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Miles Davies...hmmm....
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 14:45:41
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| Jumping Beans is one of my favorite Frank songs, glad I got to see it live with the Catholics. There's so much energy in that tune! |
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trobrianders
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Posted - 12/22/2012 : 05:19:59
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by trobrianders
I don't take those 'trading' comments literally. Frank generally brings more to a song/style than its originator (maybe not in Reed's case). He freely admits he's a massive fanboy and emulates in his songs. No big deal. He's no music snob. He liked Cars for chrissakes.
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Ok, THAT's the point... Who is he a fan of nowadays? Miles Davies? I doubt he can use that influence for his songwriting... Could he be thrilled by the guys he's hanging out with, like Art Brut or the foo fighters... comon that's the degree zero of songrwriting! Frank needs fuel! If pop music is all shit he cant really write... Well that's my theory. See for example, around 90 he was really into They Might Be Giants, and they where actually making some really good record... so you got FB trying to beat them like Brian Wilson was trying to beat the beatles. Obviously, trying to beat the foo fighter or Placebo wont help him to make a new step. He's like a champion without a challenger!
I think he's painting a lot these days. No shortage of prizefighters there. As far as hanging out with Art Brut/Foo Fighters etc. That's just guys having fun, that's not work. Not fun for us obviously. I keep repeating that he said recently a great record is overdue and he's working on it. So let's just wait.
Anyway it's refreshing to talk about something relevant instead of the usual nostalgia here.
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Posted - 12/22/2012 : 07:37:50
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by trobrianders
I don't take those 'trading' comments literally. Frank generally brings more to a song/style than its originator (maybe not in Reed's case). He freely admits he's a massive fanboy and emulates in his songs. No big deal. He's no music snob. He liked Cars for chrissakes.
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Ok, THAT's the point... Who is he a fan of nowadays? Miles Davies? I doubt he can use that influence for his songwriting... Could he be thrilled by the guys he's hanging out with, like Art Brut or the foo fighters... comon that's the degree zero of songrwriting! Frank needs fuel! If pop music is all shit he cant really write... Well that's my theory. See for example, around 90 he was really into They Might Be Giants, and they where actually making some really good record... so you got FB trying to beat them like Brian Wilson was trying to beat the beatles. Obviously, trying to beat the foo fighter or Placebo wont help him to make a new step. He's like a champion without a challenger!
I think he's painting a lot these days. No shortage of prizefighters there. As far as hanging out with Art Brut/Foo Fighters etc. That's just guys having fun, that's not work. Not fun for us obviously. I keep repeating that he said recently a great record is overdue and he's working on it. So let's just wait.
Anyway it's refreshing to talk about something relevant instead of the usual nostalgia here.
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nothing beats old Yellow though
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The New Bolero
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/22/2012 : 18:08:51
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The Maharal
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