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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1495 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2015 :  11:25:18  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Trying to get a PONO player going.

I'm going to try to set up my own test 192/24 vs. 44.1/16, I'll let you know.
There's a "Revealer" track that's crystal clear, but I want something I can trust.

Edited by - hammerhands on 12/06/2015 11:25:50
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1495 Posts

Posted - 12/14/2015 :  12:14:25  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yea, hi-res audio is pretty good.

I haven't tried listening experiments with Doolittle yet,
I have studied two tracks, Neil Young's Heart of Gold
was a freebie from PONO, and I set up Dolphin Dance
by Herbie Hancock, it's the only 24-bit/192khz album I
have. Listening on a pair of Audio-Technica M-30
headphones, pretty good quality, low priced cans. Not
audiophile stuff.

The difference between CD and 24/192 is immediately
obvious on the Dolphin Dance track, there's a
prominent ride cymbal in the right ear, very intricate and
expressive. You can hear the difference in every hit at
24/192, at CD quality the Whole track sounds darker
and the cymbal hits are much less unique.

I also tried 24/44.1khz and 24/48khz. Compared to CD
quality, 24/44.1 is much clearer, more separation
between the instruments, the cymbal is more expressive.
24/48 has more separation and the cymbal's high
frequencies are back. The main difference between 24/48
and 24/192 is the overall clarity and improved separation
of the piano and bass in the background.

Another thing I noticed is the bleed over between tracks,
the cymbal is being picked up by other microphones. At CD
quality it can barely be heard, at 24/44.1 and 24/48 it sort of
pulses in and out of existence. At 24/192 you can hear that
cymbal all the time and it makes sense and imprives the
reality.

On Heart of Gold, the thing that struck me was that I
could focus in on something in the track, like the sound
of picking the strings. It's very human and complicated
at 24/192, just like the cymbal, and not interesting at all
at CD quality.

I haven't decided if this is something I'm going to invest
in much further. There are certain albums I love to
listen to, but many are not available yet, and most are
topping out at 24/96. I can get Dark Side of the Moon and
Wish You Were Here on blu-ray if I spend a lot of money.

I'm really struggling to commit to buying online files.
When the company is gone, what happens if I lose my
files? I like a well constructed booklet, a presentation.

My friend has golden ears, is a true audiophile and he
spent thousands of dollars chasing better sound. If
you're happy, you need to just be happy.

This has made me want to hear a high-end vinyl setup
with a fresh copy of this track.

Edited by - hammerhands on 12/14/2015 12:35:48
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1495 Posts

Posted - 12/15/2015 :  02:13:55  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I tried the same experiment with my iPod Touch without much success.

I'll have to spend some time on that.

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Ok, I've spent some time on it. I had to go through the line-out of an
iPhone dock and into a pretty nice headphone amp to hear the
differences in the files. I assume the amplifiers in the iPod are
pretty lousy.

I also couldn't hear much difference on my iPad 2 or on my Dell laptop.
These files are only useful for high fidelity devices.

And the Pono seems to be a very well engineered unit.

Edited by - hammerhands on 12/16/2015 12:26:55
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
618 Posts

Posted - 03/28/2016 :  05:12:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
New Iggy Pop album is good. Especially like the track 'Gardenia' has a bit of The Idiot vibe going on. New Violent Femmes album good too, they sound reassuringly exactly like themselves - same with the recent Faith No More album.

Makes me forget this is 2016
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1495 Posts

Posted - 05/31/2016 :  10:46:33  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just got the new 50 Foot Wave EP in the mail.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2543 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2016 :  09:45:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mostly I'm listening to Queenadreena, Daisy Chainsaw and any other incarnation of Katiejane Garside I can find

Bath White is great

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"Some people don't have the guts for distance racing. The polite term for them is sprinters."
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <

New Zealand
3299 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2016 :  11:37:10  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Llama - Liking that recommendation. Definitely need to give that stuff some listens. Seems quite a character.

Only new stuff I've really found myself listening to recently is Motherfucker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIajGaBde-g



all i can say, thank god for polio! brian
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Niue
7307 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2016 :  20:49:45  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Llamadance

Mostly I'm listening to Queenadreena, Daisy Chainsaw and any other incarnation of Katiejane Garside I can find

Bath White is great



Ooooh... I only have Eleventeen but it's one of my most beloved albums. I never tried to listen to Queenadreena for fear that it would be less great...

Denis
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
5383 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2016 :  05:09:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Built to Spill and Parque Courts
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
434 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2016 :  11:05:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Enjoying Deerhoof's new one The Magic very much. Also PJ Harvey's The Hope Six Demolition Project - great (apart from the lyrics tbh which are cringey).

Fela Kuti - Confusion & Gentleman albums. Just getting into him & loving it, completely passed me by until recently.
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =

USA
521 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2016 :  09:20:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jack-O & The Tennessee Tearjerkers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh9KOcxz7nY


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"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2519 Posts

Posted - 08/17/2016 :  11:13:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Really digging a bit of electro-swing at the minute. Caravan Palace have absolutely smashed it with the song 'Lone Digger'. Can't stop listening to it.


"The arc of triumph"
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2519 Posts

Posted - 08/17/2016 :  11:15:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://youtu.be/N8_WI4x2CtE


"The arc of triumph"
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <

Papua New Guinea
3112 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2016 :  09:37:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Playing these a lot
Do/White Stripes
30 Pieces/Claire Lemmon, off her album "Cleaner" which I can't find anywhere.
Eg Shining/Cranes
No.13 Baby (Instrumental)

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Arm Arm Arm
= Cult of Ray =

980 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2016 :  10:17:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hammerhands
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I'm really struggling to commit to buying online files.
When the company is gone, what happens if I lose my
files? I like a well constructed booklet, a presentation.




I enjoy the physicality of cd's, and as you say, the booklet, etc. Your concerns about losing music files are valid.


cheers
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
2941 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2016 :  01:34:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can't stop listening to the Hamilton musical cast recording.


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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
434 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2016 :  10:10:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

London band, just starting to get a bit of exposure over here. Really good this album, nothing groundbreaking - a bit '90s to my ears - but tons of great, quirky melodies. Apparently Krautrock influenced but don't really hear that myself. Definitely worth a try, anyway. Got it on repeat at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN7YA4FO7TY

Edited by - OLDMANOTY on 10/29/2016 12:39:27
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
434 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2016 :  10:39:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's great recent album I listen to a lot. Like the best FB songs, the arrangements on this constantly pull the rug from under your feet.

When I first heard her voice I thought she was French, possibly German but she's actually Welsh. Reminds me a bit of Nico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnZh4E0_7KM

Cate Le Bon - Crab Day

Edited by - OLDMANOTY on 10/29/2016 12:18:10
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
434 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2016 :  12:01:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Earlier this year I discovered The Fiery Furnaces. They're either on hiatus or have split up now, but anyway I think they're a great unsung band from the naughties. A handful of great albums, and Eleanor Friedburger's solo stuff is fine too.

This is the one I keep returning to (horrible production though).

Not particularly representative of the album but I love 'Wicker Whatnots'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_phEu_FUi4k

Right, I'll shut up now.

Edited by - OLDMANOTY on 10/29/2016 12:34:19
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
618 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2016 :  00:00:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Listening a lot to Mark Mulcahy these days. A thanks to NimrodsSon for the recommendation all those years ago!

http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=13935#297314

Joey Santiago plays on a track from 2006 album In Pursuit Of Your Happiness. Song is called He Vanished but can't find it on YouTube.

But here's a track from his 2013 album which is also great.

https://youtu.be/rSR3g1lHOrg



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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2287 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2016 :  01:43:53  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by OLDMANOTY

Cate Le Bon - Crab Day



That's a good album, her best yet I'd say. She's gone a bit more weird on this one. Find Me is my favourite track.

I like the way she plays some of the guitar deliberately a bit out of tune in this live clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_wv-ZHndIo
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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2287 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2016 :  05:55:55  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
New Steve Albini produced album by Kapitan Korsakov

http://3voor12.vpro.nl/luisterpaal/albums/Kapitan-Korsakov.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Qi9bkXtZY&feature=youtu.be

http://www.justanothermag.com/2016/09/23/kapitan-korsakov-announce-new-album/
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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2287 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2016 :  10:39:28  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This new Kapitan Korsakov album is actually pretty interesting, it's very diverse and surprising. It's a bit Bauhaus I think is the best way to describe them, Bauhaus wave? Experimental and indie and I suppose it's a punk album at heart, but there are some slow Pink Floyd-esque tunes that suddenly appear on a second or thir listen.

It's Steve Albini produced and so obviously I can also hear a bit of the Pixies in there, especially the vocals and edgy guitars and unusual structure. I've heard a few new Albini albums recently and they've also been rather good.

Makes me wonder, what if...
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1495 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2016 :  11:32:19  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just got another Kristin Hersh CD/Book in the mail,
Wyatt at the Coyote Palace. I love this book format.

Edited by - hammerhands on 11/08/2016 11:33:13
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
771 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2016 :  04:11:34  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Been listening a lot to Aaron Freeman's 2014 album Freeman. Freeman was/is one half of Ween. Man it's really really good. It's easily one of the best things I've heard that's come out in the past few years.


Take me to the vineyards of Lavaux
Want to see the mountains where the waters flow
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Bedbug
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215 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2016 :  07:18:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage

Been listening a lot to Aaron Freeman's 2014 album Freeman. Freeman was/is one half of Ween. Man it's really really good. It's easily one of the best things I've heard that's come out in the past few years.


Take me to the vineyards of Lavaux
Want to see the mountains where the waters flow




Agreed. It's so good. I was really hoping that he would put out another one, but I'm not sure what he's up to these days.
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Arm Arm Arm
= Cult of Ray =

980 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2016 :  17:42:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SHtWSTtrD4

The Song "Why" by Joe Satriani live in Montreal.

cheers

Edited by - Arm Arm Arm on 11/11/2016 17:43:27
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =

Wallis and Futuna Islands
753 Posts

Posted - 11/12/2016 :  05:15:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not doing it for me but an interesting couple of examples of AI-made stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGYEXJqun8
This one starts almost as a sample of Radio Lizards but turns comfortably horrible soon enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSHZ_b05W7o
How long before their efforts stop sounding ridiculous though..


And a 'not doing it for me but half-liking this' (must be the guitars, the singer is a different story, especially after seeing him lick from lip to scalp an unsuspecting member of the audience...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACgLnaKvm8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_i1FZEHH2o
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Bedbug
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215 Posts

Posted - 11/22/2016 :  13:12:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
New Dean Ween Group Album is doing it for me

"I like gum!"
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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2287 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2016 :  11:52:13  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Getting really into the early Big Star discography, thanks to Quarry TV series for turning me on to that.

It seems like there really is an endless supply of new music from the past, present and the future.
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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2287 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2016 :  23:28:36  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
New Stones album was on Radio 6 last night. It's unexpectedly amazing! All blues covers, but sounds like they recorded it 50 years ago! Check it out, I think they just completely redefined the meaning of return to form.. how is this even possible. All musicians have a half life. Not these guys, they'll still be doing this shit in another 50 years time.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
5174 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2016 :  00:30:57  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Regina Spektor

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Bedbug
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215 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2016 :  10:41:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tommy Guererro
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Bedbug
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Posted - 12/14/2016 :  02:33:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Drvnk Injuns
"For Real"
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *

1932 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  17:12:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lucy Dacus, Darko the Super, Slomo Drags, Angel Olsen, The Rutabega.

My life is dirt but you seem to make it cleaner... reduce my felony to a misdemeanor
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