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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 04/22/2009 :  20:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will the Catholics be appreciated by a wider audience in the future; not so much for an experimental edge but based on the high song writing quality? I don't know...I think so.

The way Frank wedded traditional rock-n-roll and country/rockabilly to his unique voice and songwriting is wonderful.

c'est tout

Sam
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
511 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  02:35:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here here, i agree, great band, totally overlooked in my opinion. From the self titled brown album to SMYT i loved it all. Especially Black letter days and SMYT.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  08:53:58  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Let the celebration begin!



look at me
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2564 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  09:14:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Catholics era is my favourite era of Frank.


"The arc of triumph"
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  10:14:11  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The Catholics era was reevaluated by me today. I listened to the Double Door concert from 2003. These guys were amazingly great live.

I miss them.

(I miss kathryn too, btw. Hey K!)


Denis

"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *

1630 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  10:14:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I never got to see them ;'(
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  10:30:43  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I WANT THIS CATHOLICS BOX SET.
LIKE, NOW.


C.A.T.H.O.L.I.C.S.B.O.X.S.E.T.


Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatholics box set!



Denis

"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  10:34:55  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote


Denis

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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  10:38:30  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote




This one's for K:




Denis

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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  11:33:47  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Great thread. I hope so. Them were the days.


"Now you're officially my woman. Kudos. I can't say I don't envy you."
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darwin
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USA
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  11:56:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pictures of Beautiful Catholics
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moonruler
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USA
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  12:42:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and they toured the northeast at least once a year. seeing them in their sundays suits was very cool. watching Rich Gilbert standing 3 feet in front of me playing his guitar with a drum stick weren't so bad, either.

i say it is time for a new reunion tour; not for Pixies, but for Frank Black and the Catholics.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  13:04:30  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I got to see their very last gig (i think) :privileged



we lost contact, but i hope that you don't mind...

Edited by - fbc on 04/23/2009 13:10:31
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <

New Zealand
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  14:43:50  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
I got to see their very last gig (i think) :privileged




as did i.
i'd love to also see their first reunion gig..
not sure they'll start the tour off in new zealand tho...



all i can say, thank god for polio! brian
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  15:26:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
reunion + box set = bliss. I never saw the Catholics. I was a stupid idiot and didn't get into the post Pixies stuff until the Pixies reunion. Now I know how much I missed out on.
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ClassicalRey
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Posted - 04/23/2009 :  16:59:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arrgh.
I was so frustrated that it was only after
the Pixies reunion
occurred that I was graced with Mr. Black's opuses.
Opera?
Opi?
I hope I
haven't made myself a fool.

Edited by - ClassicalRey on 04/23/2009 17:00:09
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  22:16:06  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benji

quote:
Originally posted by fbc
I got to see their very last gig (i think) :privileged

as did i.

high 5!

If it wasn't for this thread I doubt i'd be listening to this morning. I believed in the cupid / I'd thought I'd kiss you for all my life / I guess I'm just a little stupid. Killer!

King and Queen of Siam in the background :) incarnationnnn!!


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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *

Austria
1003 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  11:08:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
look.

the triple-A songwriting. the richness of the sound. the talent and the professional attitude. the large number of the albums.

and all recorded live to two-track!!!!

i'm sure there will come a day when all this will be acknowledged.

I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
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Mickey
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USA
207 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  11:54:40  Show Profile  Visit Mickey's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Without a doubt my very favorite band of all time and honestly one of the very, very best too.

-Mickey
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
5305 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  12:59:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi ClassicalRay, you didn't make your self a fool. It's a very good post.

So the ones that were lucky enough to see the Catholics live what were some of the awesome highlights you remember?

moonruler had some good stories, but how about more?

Edited by - Daisy Girl on 04/24/2009 13:00:02
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =

USA
411 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  13:10:54  Show Profile  Visit Apesy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i enjoyed frank's dapper suit when he played boston in the fall of 2002

rich gilbert played his guitar with a half-full bottle of beer, with some splashing out into the audience

i wish i could remember the setlist but i'm sure it was killer

-=Apesy
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  13:41:28  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here's a few of the setlists I found from some of the gigs I was lucky to see.
Who needs a new Pixies record when there should be new Catholics ;p

quote:
24/5/99 - london
all my ghosts / the holiday song / man of steel / so hard to make things out / you're such a wire / headache /
dont ya rile em / superabound / I switched you / I gotta move / calistan / steak n sabre / wave of mutilation /
abstract plain / I need peace / ten percenter / dog gone / kicked in the taco / western star / so. bay

Pistolero night! I remember the break in I Switched You catching many out.
Applause and cheers for the finished song before Rich.G brought back the opening riff.
Brilliant. I saw it coming like a geek and nodded in appreciation at the band's
awesomeness. So. Bay rocked so hard. Ten Percenter, with the change in tempo
for the "choruses". Shivers. Solo FB tracks everywhere.
Dave McCaff loving the basslines.

quote:
14/2/2001 - Manchester
Intro (All The Tired Horses) / Hermaphraditos / Gouge Away / Llano Del Rio / Nimrod's Son / Bullet / I Switched You /
Superbound / Sir Rockaby / Steak & Sabre / Robert Onion / Everytime I Go 'Round Here / Fu Manchu / Where Is My Mind?

Short gig. Not too busy. Gouge Away was a highlight.

quote:
12/1/03 London, England
massif centrale / cactus / velvety / hermaphroditos / six sixty six / monkey gone to heaven / caribou / how you went so far /
new house of the pope / when will happiness find me again / headache / abstract plain / this old heartache / horrible day /
nadine / nimrod's son / i need peace / where is my mind / california bound / whiskey in your shoes / jane, the queen of love /
goodbye lorraine / robert onion / bullet / black rider / farewell bend / cold heart of stone / freedom rock

I wish I could remember more about this one but i'm thankful I have a recording to jog my memory.
Look how many songs they played!! How lucky were we?!!
I could be wrong but I'm sure the place was rammed that night.
They were appreciated.


Edited by - fbc on 04/24/2009 14:26:01
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  13:43:33  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
some setlists can be found 'ere


quote:
It is true that Frank Black and The Catholics have not yet generated a great deal of
commercial or critical acclaim, but it is also true that they know exactly how to make great
music, and, more to the point, they have at their helm one of the all-time greats of songwriting.

quote:
A deafening chorus of cheers brings the band back for a four song encore, including the Pogues-esque
When Will Happiness Find Me Again. Although a second encore is called for but not received, it is clear
that a unique brand of happiness has found us all again, for one night at least. Long may Frank Black
and his Catholics induce this kind of genuine excitement throughout the gigging world.



http://www.musicomh.com/music/gigs/frank-black.htm

Edited by - fbc on 04/24/2009 14:13:51
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
953 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  14:24:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My Catholics highlights would be seeing the band and FB for the first time in King Tuts Wah Wah Hut in Glasgow 2001.
It was the UK tour just after the release of Dog in the Sand.
It's a very small intimate venue, im sure pot will tell you more if you ask him!
Anyway, I was making my way through the crowd to find a good spot, Rich Gilbert said "excuse me" to get past as he was going to the stage. I didn't know it was him til later.
The band came on to the music of Johnny Cash through the PA.
I didn't know how good they would be but it was amazing...my personal highlights were "Stupid Me", "Los Angeles", "Coming Into Los Angeles", Gouge Away", "Nimrods Son", "Where Is My Mind", "If it takes all night" and "Dancing the Manta Ray". What a night!
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 04/25/2009 :  10:43:22  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Today I reevaluated Black Letter Days. Well it was still as mindblowing as I remembered.

Seriously, how such records could be ignored by critics is a fucking joke. Black Letter Days is an unsurpassable masterpiece. There's not a single note that falls flat, and it's all live to 2 tracks.

Tomorrow: Devil's Workshop.


Denis

"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2009 :  11:18:43  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm in. Devil's Workshop Day. Any excuse to take this bad boy for a spin



I hope it's not windy.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <

Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2009 :  11:25:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll have some of that cake.

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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
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Posted - 04/25/2009 :  11:30:11  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That would make a great thread, CD Club. Your assignment,
a week to listen to, research and evaluate a CD. Sunday at
12:00am let the flood gates down and go to town.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2009 :  11:39:50  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Good luck with that one ;)

quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm

Will the Catholics be appreciated by a wider audience in the future; not so much for an experimental edge but based on the high song writing quality?

I read an old review earlier. The author mentioned fans switching off when Black Francis ended the Pixies and became Frank Black.
It's not the first time i've read or heard this.
I still don't get why some would be turned off by the orange album.

I think i'm trying to say the Catholics will be appreciated the day Charles Thompson is appreciated.

Edited by - fbc on 04/25/2009 12:51:08
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ClassicalRey
- FB Fan -

55 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2009 :  13:09:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was always a sucker for Devil's Workshop.
Especially The Scene.
Maybe it's because it was one of the first song's I learned to play.
I loved the all the instruments in the intro.
Don't know if it's right but I like the bass.


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billgoodman
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Netherlands
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Posted - 04/26/2009 :  04:05:28  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
A great era in rock music for me
Listened to SMYT the other day: bliss, bliss, bliss.

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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/26/2009 :  05:55:46  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have a greater appreciation for Heloise now than I did back in 2002. Took the van out too. It's been a fun day.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
2002 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2009 :  06:23:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You said it, ClassicalRey. DEVILS WORKSHOP reign supreme over the over-bloated, overrated BLACK LETTER DAYS...the album at the bottom of my list. I've said this for years, never been afraid to state it here, always have been lambasted for it, yet I still stick to my guns. There are about 3 good songs on BLD. Chip Away Boy, 21 Reasons, and Jane The Queen of Love. The rest, while still better than the average other artist, are just...well...just there.

DEVILS WORKSHOP, on the other hand, is priceless. Some great stuff on that gem. It feels like a really REALLY good 'greatest hits' compilation...with all-new, unheard greatest hits, if that makes sense.

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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1758 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2009 :  06:53:49  Show Profile  Visit Jose Jones's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i would agree that BLD is a little bloated. some of the songs could have been relegated to b-sides. it's not like his b-sides aren't as good as the album cuts, they just didn't fit in the vision of the album.

it would be fun pairing down BLD to make a more succinct record.

DW really is a great collection of songs. i'd say it falls off SLIGHTLY at the end, but just slightly.

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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <

Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2009 :  07:33:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know if Black Letter Days has ANY black letter songs on it. Never appreciated the Tom Waits bookends though. But with David Phillips in his band it was inevitable he'd record Waits sooner or later. I just wish he'd chosen a Waits song that Dave actually played on like That Feel off Waits' album Bone Machine. Bone Machine huh, how's that for a coincidence?

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/That_Feel/182665

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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
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Posted - 04/26/2009 :  08:15:38  Show Profile  Visit Jose Jones's Homepage  Reply with Quote
here's my paired down BLD tracklisting.

1. whispering weeds
2. california bound
3. southbound bevy
4. chip away boy
5. valentine and garuda
6. cold heart of stone
7. jane the queen of love
8. how you went so far
9. jet black river
10. god of miles (lil' joke)
11. 21 reasons
12. farewell bend


i was surprised at how well "whispering weeds" works as an opener. well, there actually aren't many great openers on the album. it was either this or "chip away boy" or "21 reasons." in the end, i though a nice, breezy opener was best, as opposed to the dark and dreamy "chip away boy" or anthemic "21 reasons."

"jane" seems like an obvious center point and/or beginning of side B, so i went with it.

i also really like "southbound bevy" being up front. it gives it an "out of state"-like position. plus it sets up "chip away boy" really well.

this means the following are b-sides:
black riders 1 & 2
black letter days (here getting the SMYT treatment)
1826
i will run after you (getting the shaft again! it got booted in a previous, better incarnation, so it shouldn't feel too bad.)
true blue (great song, it just didn't work with my list)

b-sides seem to be more appreciated anyway, so i definitely don't see it as a slap in the face to these fine songs.
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Edited by - Jose Jones on 04/26/2009 08:29:49
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