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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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 Posted - 10/21/2007 : 16:38:07
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Oh, jimmy, where would the forum be without your unique brand of humor! God bless!
Happy hearts fall from my shaking hands
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 18:05:14
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and kathryn, where would the forum be without your sexy brand of sexiness?
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong |
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 19:14:54
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My son takes meds for ADD. There are kids out there that are misdiagnosed or that are undisciplined.
Boys are usually more active than girls, therefore there are more boys diagnosed with it. Girls tend to be more unfocused
than hyper. My son is unfocused and he can't sit still. He does not like feeling that way and he is the first one to
tell anyone that he needs his medicine in order to focus on what his teachers are saying. Otherwise, he says his mind wanders.
I think he gets it from me.
Seriously, in one of my psychology classes my professor said that researchers are beginning to think that ADD or ADHD is really
genes leftover from when those traits that are now considered to be negative were what helped keep humans alive.
I don't know...possible I guess.
It's not you I don't like
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 02:53:56
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
On the subject of spirituality etc. it does not mean that when you look for a scientific explanation for something (you're an atheist). I tend to agree with Gould's Nonoverlapping magisteria.
so if science had evidence of spirits you would reject it?
I like to complain
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 03:01:11
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Originally posted by tisasawath
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Originally posted by darwin
If it were purely genetic it could easily still happen because her kids aren't identical twins. They have different genes. In fact, on average they share only half of each others genes.
this i don't understand. i thought humans and chimps had different genetic code only by a few percent. what does that half of each other's genes in humans mean?
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move along, nothing to see here
well, yes you have 50% the same information as your siblings. 50% your mother and 50% your father. So your equally related to all those in your immediate family.. Dawkins explains this all quite well in the selfish gene...
I guess the monkey thing is a different measure between genomes. Alot of our DNA is deemed junk (does not seem to do anything) so this may or may not be included in calculations???
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 03:10:52
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
On the subject of spirituality etc. it does not mean that when you look for a scientific explanation for something (you're an atheist). I tend to agree with Gould's Nonoverlapping magisteria.
so if science had evidence of spirits you would reject it?
I like to complain
It would then fall into the realm of science... not faith.. It would have been incorrectly categorised to begin with..
so if science can provide evidence of spirits, then they're overlapping magisteria. but if it can't find any evidence for them, then they're nonoverlapping. sounds pretty win-win for religious.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 03:37:00
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it just states that they talk about different things...i.e. science cannot or does not pertain to questions about morality, ethics and beliefs... and religion does not answer questions about gravity, motion, physical laws of the universe... (that is the non-overlapping bit)
no biggy...
but i think you got me wrong, if science could prove spirits, spirits are not part of the religious category (religious maybe is not the right word).
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 06:24:21
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Originally posted by jimmy
I think there are many kids who have genuine symptoms of what could be called ADD or ADHD, they're otherwise intelligent kids who process information differently due to a natural excess of energy.
And they would probably make up 15% of the kids diognosed with the disorder.
The rest are undisciplined or misdiagnosed.
If anyone is angry with me I'd just like to say in my defense that I know next to nothing about the subject and I'm not a parent, teacher, or doctor.
**I also believe that many cases ( maybe half ) of asthma are psychosomatic. So many people with "asthma" are unbelieveably prissy and sensitive. I've noticed 'asthma" usually strikes moody chubby girls, the kind who want to outlaw smoking and require all young citizens to do "volunteer" work in third-world countries.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong
I'm not mad. Especially when your ignorance is so obvious.
I don't know why you'd express such an opinion when you know and we know you didn't know what the hell you're talking about. But I have gotten used to the majority of people who have an opinion on ADD not knowing what the hell they're talking about and desperately wanting a way to blame me as the parent for his difficulties. Maybe it'll make you feel better to know that your ignorance is typical.
They don't process things differently due to excess energy. That is just ridiculous. They process things differently due to differing brain chemistry. They lack in neurotransmitters. Those chemicals send messages across the synapses. So they miss alot of brain signals and messages. I've seen in my son (who has absolutely no hyperactivity in fact he's quite unmotivated) that he does not think linearly at all. It takes him longer to get to the conclusion and thats time they just don't give him in school. It is difficult to watch as a parent some of the emotions they go through. It is hard to know that everyone else around you is understanding everything and you're not. Like I said, a state of perpetual confusion. And that you have to put in more time and effort than everyone else just to underachieve them. That everything is just plain harder for you than everyone else.
I think alot of the hyperactivity is due to poor impulse control. Poor impulse control is due to the lack in neurotransmitters. The drugs that they give kids is mainly speed but it helps get the messages across. It will increase those neurotransmitter chemicals. So its not going to take away hyperactivity, its going to aid in creating a 'normal' brain chemistry. A person with ADD is not going to feel like they've taken speed when they take the ritalin, a person without ADD will (if you already have enough of those chemicals, more is going to fuck you up). They can also be lacking in seratonin, my son is prone to depression all the time. He has tried the drugs in the past. Like I said, puberty has changed him quite a bit, changed some of his brain chemistry I believe. Let's say you had a kid with ADD and he was having such a difficult time not being 'normal'. If that kid asks to try the drugs what would you say? What if the drugs actually worked?
What's really cool though is that he's got a gift for music. He's totally wicked with his guitar. And his band teacher says the material they learn for the trumpet is too easy for him. Science and math is a totally different story.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 07:55:48
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
my son ... has absolutely no hyperactivity in fact he's quite unmotivated
Perhaps he's biologically related to me? 
Happy hearts fall from my shaking hands
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 08:03:05
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Originally posted by kathryn
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
my son ... has absolutely no hyperactivity in fact he's quite unmotivated
Perhaps he's biologically related to me?
Happy hearts fall from my shaking hands
Sluggish Cognitive Tempo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_cognitive_tempo
This sub-classification of ADD describes Diego to a T.
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 10:32:54
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When did people get so sensitive? Nowadays you can't badmouth people's kids or call them bad parents. Excuuuuuse me.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 10:38:47
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If you'd only asked yourself for advice first.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 14:15:44
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Poke around on this site Carolynanna - http://www.curezone.com/
Lots of good information on here once you get used to the confusing format.
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Actually, this link is interesting.
Alot of info on non-stimulant drugs. Not that I'd rush into anything.
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 19:13:04
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
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Originally posted by jimmy
I think there are many kids who have genuine symptoms of what could be called ADD or ADHD, they're otherwise intelligent kids who process information differently due to a natural excess of energy.
And they would probably make up 15% of the kids diognosed with the disorder.
The rest are undisciplined or misdiagnosed.
If anyone is angry with me I'd just like to say in my defense that I know next to nothing about the subject and I'm not a parent, teacher, or doctor.
**I also believe that many cases ( maybe half ) of asthma are psychosomatic. So many people with "asthma" are unbelieveably prissy and sensitive. I've noticed 'asthma" usually strikes moody chubby girls, the kind who want to outlaw smoking and require all young citizens to do "volunteer" work in third-world countries.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong
I'm not mad. Especially when your ignorance is so obvious.
I don't know why you'd express such an opinion when you know and we know you didn't know what the hell you're talking about. But I have gotten used to the majority of people who have an opinion on ADD not knowing what the hell they're talking about and desperately wanting a way to blame me as the parent for his difficulties. Maybe it'll make you feel better to know that your ignorance is typical.
They don't process things differently due to excess energy. That is just ridiculous. They process things differently due to differing brain chemistry. They lack in neurotransmitters. Those chemicals send messages across the synapses. So they miss alot of brain signals and messages. I've seen in my son (who has absolutely no hyperactivity in fact he's quite unmotivated) that he does not think linearly at all. It takes him longer to get to the conclusion and thats time they just don't give him in school. It is difficult to watch as a parent some of the emotions they go through. It is hard to know that everyone else around you is understanding everything and you're not. Like I said, a state of perpetual confusion. And that you have to put in more time and effort than everyone else just to underachieve them. That everything is just plain harder for you than everyone else.
I think alot of the hyperactivity is due to poor impulse control. Poor impulse control is due to the lack in neurotransmitters. The drugs that they give kids is mainly speed but it helps get the messages across. It will increase those neurotransmitter chemicals. So its not going to take away hyperactivity, its going to aid in creating a 'normal' brain chemistry. A person with ADD is not going to feel like they've taken speed when they take the ritalin, a person without ADD will (if you already have enough of those chemicals, more is going to fuck you up). They can also be lacking in seratonin, my son is prone to depression all the time. He has tried the drugs in the past. Like I said, puberty has changed him quite a bit, changed some of his brain chemistry I believe. Let's say you had a kid with ADD and he was having such a difficult time not being 'normal'. If that kid asks to try the drugs what would you say? What if the drugs actually worked?
What's really cool though is that he's got a gift for music. He's totally wicked with his guitar. And his band teacher says the material they learn for the trumpet is too easy for him. Science and math is a totally different story.
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Fuck off I got work to do.
I could never have been able to say that as nicely as you have.
Thanks, C. It is always great to find someone who understands.
There are so many people I talk to that think there is no such thing
as ADD. 
My son has never tried to play instruments, but he is a natural athlete and he is a master at PS2 games.
It's not you I don't like
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/24/2007 : 13:48:11
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Originally posted by kathryn
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
my son ... has absolutely no hyperactivity in fact he's quite unmotivated
Perhaps he's biologically related to me?
As a kid, I could be hyperactive, but I was never particularly motivated. I sometimes have to wonder how certain traits like those get grouped together. I mean, hey, I'm also incredibly shy, but not particularly quiet.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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