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Originally posted by yaz1967

kok---why dont you use Pravda as a source for the millions who did'nt die in the ussr? We can all find sources for every point of veiw but again, at some point the facts add up.
You have accepted that saddam had wmd. (again, you side with the butchers). oh let me get this straight, he had them to use on the iranians but not the kurds so he doesnt have them?
Do all newspapers lie to some degree? Of course they do. Do all governments kill people? Of course they do. But when you fail to see the difference between our media and al jazeera or fail to see the difference between Bush and hitler or North and South korea your argument losses weight. Some things are actually a fact. The holocaust did happen.

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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Originally posted by yaz1967

The basic scenario I deal with when dealing with people like you is the same old words. Bush, Cheney, halliburton. Bush is dumb no wait he's fooled us all. Bush is a cowboy.(same thing you said about Reagan) World War three is imminent. (Reagan again) Cuba has free health care, we have people dying in the streets. Chavez good--Bush bad. Castro good--bush bad. America, evil empire controlling the world---China, USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Iraq, socialist heavens where all is equal. You sound like Chomsky, a total American hating hypocrite.

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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I'm a registered republican(ouch, that hurt) who is foaming at the mouth to hurry up and vote for the only real candidate out there.

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I'm a registered republican(ouch, that hurt) who is foaming at the mouth to hurry up and vote for the only real candidate out there.

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The rest are imaginary?

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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I'm a registered republican(ouch, that hurt) who is foaming at the mouth to hurry up and vote for the only real candidate out there.

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The rest are imaginary?

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Who do you like? I'll give you my opinion.

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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Originally posted by darwin

The name fits. I've read that Yastrzemski, while a great player, was an owners-puppet and took the position that Curt Flood was ruining the game with free agency.

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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The name fits. I've read that Yastrzemski, while a great player, was an owners-puppet and took the position that Curt Flood was ruining the game with free agency.

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I never really thought of my screen name as my identity but you probably do. I find people who are grasping for an identity do these things. I bet your answering machine is used as a showcase for how witty you are.

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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KOK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzszzj_Mw-8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Flouminatti%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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Originally posted by yaz1967

Howard Zinn is what you use as a reference. If youre a republican then so is Bloomberg. As far as facts you did not present me with any. All theories that have not been proven.
In regards to America is not loved last I checked people were still flowing over the borders in massive numbers. This is all for a chance for a better life which America offers like no other country in the world. The loudest voice of all is the sound of footsteps. People speak loudest with their feet. (Zinn is to history what Bloomberg is to republicans---full of shit)

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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'No one looks up to America anymore..."

No one? That's odd, when I am in the Netherlands, Germany, England I am constantly asked how to get in. I tell them just come and disappear. If we opened our borders tomorrow we would have a billion, at least, people in a month. Although not so much in the European case, most of the people would come for food and clean water. No food and disease water has been the lot of humans forever. Actually, a lot of people would just come for Chlorox. They don't have it and would drink their neighbors crap with it and thought they have gone to heaven.
Been there, seen that. You are grossly wrong.

Moving on.





" The people"...
(another absolutists and illuminating statement)

"... living in this country have become so ignorant"
You don't become ignorant. You just are. You are not knowledgeable and then slip down into a lower state of ignorance.

"... about anything that doesn't flash across their tv screen we're a joke around the world."
European, save the Brits, media is a joke. Their TV, Newspapers have no alternative views. Very statist, mono culture. Anyways, in the US, Internet usage, TV channels, money per capita spent on books and magazines all surpass all but a few countries. Furthermore, how are all these ignorant people winning 90 percent of all Nobels? Building both government and private rockets and satellites? And Big Three autos. Why do the Japanese have their designs centers in California? Why do world wide wealthy send their kids here for graduate and undergraduate?

The statements were really a nice mental test, almost perfect in its simplicity. Everything about it was factually false, and easily shown so.

You are not clever or novel. You are sadly and pathetically out of it, and you know it. You need to get out from where you are. I am sorry. Good luck

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays

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The name fits. I've read that Yastrzemski, while a great player, was an owners-puppet and took the position that Curt Flood was ruining the game with free agency.

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I never really thought of my screen name as my identity but you probably do. I find people who are grasping for an identity do these things. I bet your answering machine is used as a showcase for how witty you are.

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I'm a registered republican(ouch, that hurt) who is foaming at the mouth to hurry up and vote for the only real candidate out there.

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The rest are imaginary?

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Who do you like? I'll give you my opinion.

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Why would I care about your delusional opinion?

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Originally posted by darwin

The name fits. I've read that Yastrzemski, while a great player, was an owners-puppet and took the position that Curt Flood was ruining the game with free agency.

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I never really thought of my screen name as my identity but you probably do. I find people who are grasping for an identity do these things. I bet your answering machine is used as a showcase for how witty you are.

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My answering machine message is recorded by my wife, but keep trying.

So, you're not a Red Sox fan? You don't think of that as part of your identity?

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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays