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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  14:06:03  Show Profile
Could this be by design? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSuo-Uv-fsw

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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  14:55:48  Show Profile
Hersh: Bush, Cheney 'really want' Iran war
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/021007_b_Hersh.htm

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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  15:12:00  Show Profile
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke

I've come to the conclusion that there is an elite group of people/families that have had a plan for a one world government for over one hundred years. If you read some reports it's over two hundred years. The plan is genius and is being carried out covertly. There is nothing any common man can do about it.

New World Order (conspiracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29

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http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200710/20071001_Chessboard_1_US_UN.htm
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America's Role as the First, Only, and Last Truly Global Superpower
The Grand Chessboard Part 1

Brent Jessop - Knowledge Driven Revolution.com
October 1, 2007

In Zbigniew Brzezinski’s The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives (1997), he outlines his case for how current American global supremacy should be used to further a long running elite plan for the unification of the world under the dictates of the United Nations.

For those who don’t know, among many other things, Brzezinski was an advisor to John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, and Jimmy Carter. He was also the first director of the Trilateral Commission and board member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Currently he is a top foreign policy advisor to the Barack Obama campaign for presidency.

Controlling Eurasia With American Imperial Power

From The Grand Chessboard:

"In brief, for the United States, Eurasian geostrategy involves the purposeful management of geostrategically dynamic states and the careful handling of geopolitically catalytic states, in keeping with the twin interests of America in the short-term preservation of its unique global power and in the long-run transformation of it into increasingly institutionalized global cooperation. To put it in a terminology that hearkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together." - 40

"...the issue of how a globally engaged America copes with the complex Eurasian power relationships - and particularly whether it prevents the emergence of a dominant and antagonistic Eurasian power -- remains central to America's capacity to exercise global primacy." - xiii

"A geostrategic issue of crucial importance is posed by China's emergence as a major power. The most appealing outcome would be to co-opt a democratizing and free-marketing China into a larger Asian regional framework of cooperation." - 54

"In effect, Japan should be America's global partner in tackling the new agenda of world affairs. A regionally preeminent China should become America's Far Eastern anchor in the more traditional domain of power politics, helping thereby to foster a Eurasian balance of power, with Greater China in Eurasia's East matching in that respect the role of an enlarging Europe in Eurasia's West." - 193
False Choice

Like a good con man, Brzezinski insists that there is only one alternative to American imperial domination of Eurasia and thus the world. Of course, there is little time to take advantage of this "narrow window of historical opportunity".

"In brief, America as the world's premier power does face a narrow window of historical opportunity. The present moment of relative global peace may be short lived. This prospect underlines the urgent need for an American engagement in the world that is deliberately focused on the enhancement of international geopolitical stability..." - 213

"The sudden emergence of the first and only global power has created a situation in which an equally quick end to its supremacy -- either because of America's withdrawal from the world or because of the sudden emergence of a successful rival -- would produce massive international instability. In effect, it would prompt global anarchy." [emphasis mine] - 30

"In that context, for some time to come -- for more than a generation -- America's status as the world's premier power is unlikely to be contested by any single challenger. No nation-state is likely to match America in the four key dimensions of power (military, economic, technological, and cultural) that cumulatively produce decisive global political clout. Short of a deliberate or unintentional American abdication, the only real alternative to American global leadership in the foreseeable future is international anarchy. In that respect, it is correct to assert that America has become, as President Clinton put it, the world's "indispensable nation." " [emphasis mine] - 195
The Legacy of American Imperialism is United Nations Control

"Accordingly, once American leadership begins to fade, America's current global predominance is unlikely to be replicated by any single state. Thus, the key question for the future is "What will America bequeath to the world as the enduring legacy of its primacy?" " - 210

"Meeting these challenges is America's burden as well as its unique responsibility. Given the reality of American democracy, an effective response will require generating a public understanding of the continuing importance of American power in shaping a widening framework of stable geopolitical cooperation, one that simultaneously averts global anarchy and successfully defers the emergence of a new power challenge. These two goals-- averting global anarchy and impeding the emergence of a power rival-- are inseparable from the longer-range definition of the purpose of America's global engagement, namely, that of forging an enduring framework of global geopolitical cooperation." [emphasis mine] - 214

"In brief, the U.S. policy goal must be unapologetically twofold: to perpetuate America's own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still; and to create a geopolitical framework that can absorb the inevitable shocks and strains of social-political change while evolving into the geopolitical core of shared responsibility for peaceful global management. A prolonged phase of gradually expanding cooperation with key Eurasian partners, both stimulated and arbitrated by America, can also help to foster the preconditions for an eventual upgrading of the existing and increasingly antiquated UN [United Nations] structures. A new distribution of responsibilities and privileges can then take into account the changed realities of global power, so drastically different from those of 1945." [emphasis mine] - 215
In Closing

My next article will examine the obstacles to the effective use of American imperial power as well as the methods described by Brzezinski to be used to guide the world into this new system including the necessary decay of American primacy.

A fitting way to end this article is with the final paragraph from The Grand Chessboard:

"In the course of the next several decades, a functioning structure of global cooperation, based on geopolitical realities, could thus emerge and gradually assume the mantle of the world's current "regent," which has for the time being assumed the burden of responsibility for world stability and peace. Geostrategic success in that cause would represent a fitting legacy of America's role as the first, only, and last truly global superpower." - 215



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darwin
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  15:43:26  Show Profile
The elite need to work on their skills if they're publishing books about their "covert" plans.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  16:03:27  Show Profile
I think it is their goal to indoctrinate the new generation with the idea that globalization is necessary for the world. In many ways I believe it would probably be beneficial for the world to have a one world government. But when I say "the world" I do not mean society I mean the planet Earth.

I understand your point of course but in general is the average American citizen going to purchase and read a book like "The Grand Chessboard?"

In the book I'm reading right now (Global Reach) it talks of how it is the goal of the multinational corporations to muzzle any form of dissent on college campuses. This book is from 1973 and I feel they've accomplished that pretty successfully.

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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  16:08:13  Show Profile
i mean books like this are written for the elite. The "Neo Cons" have a website laying out their plans with PNAC. Which is exactly what is being outlined in the Brezinski book actually. On the surface it's makes perfect sense. Can the average Joe read between the lines though? Lot's of dying involved in enacting this plan.

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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  16:23:07  Show Profile
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley

Dr Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton's mentor. His book "Tragedy and Hope" was published in 1966. Have you read it? I have not either. It's supposedly an extremely long, boring read but I have become aware of some very revealing, powerful passages contained in it.

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The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. {p. 1247}
The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.
The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.


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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  18:12:28  Show Profile
Oh where were we? Yes cut and paste, regurgitations. Someone drank all the old coffee and the copier is out paper.

Excellent.

Really expanding. Can we see this not in dots, but in fluids?

I. Didn't. Think. So.

Yawn.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  18:23:05  Show Profile
You'll make a great soldier.

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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  18:26:44  Show Profile
ahh the avalanche of posts...a return to form...

Hilarious that Jane Goodall knows 2 Native Americans who have seen Sasquatch. 2 native americans, that does indeed settle that one. Again, not one dung heap. Not one skeleton. We are finding prehistoric fish fossils in the middle of Texas, but, not a one sasquatch anywhere at anytime. Hilarious, just go to a dinner party at Jane Goodall's house, there are 2 Native Americans that usually show up who can clear up the whole Sasquatch thing! Is that too deep for you? These beasts of yours never shit! Or die!

You have yet another new lie. American troops built mass graves and dumped newly killed Iraqi citizens in them? Saddam did not massacre his own people? Really have you no shame? Do you not know anyone who is in the military? You are a sick fuck. Really. No shame at all. From your fucking skateboard you make claims like that about 1000's of Americans who serve despite jackasses like you.

You have no decency at all. Who are you accusing of this shit? Is everyone in the US Military a blood thirsty murderer willing to dump thousands upon thousands of bodies in a hole and never complain? Never report it? How fucking stupid are you?

I may be the only one on this forum who thinks so, but, its outrageous for an assclown like you to make claims like that about regular Americans who are either doing something they believe in and are willing to risk there life over or are fulfilling a commitment they made for whatever reasons. The vast majority of the people serving over there are reservists. You are an outed poser who came on this forum and had the balls to say you were battling world conspiracies on your weekends and free time. And you pull shit like that on people who are really out there. Your a loser by definition.

Oh ass clown, we won't have to wait 4 years, it should be a matter of months before GWB starts setting hs martial law program in motion and will be dictator in 18 months! Unless the working women zombies stop him!
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  20:56:00  Show Profile
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You've obviously misread another of my posts and come unhinged in the process. I had a buddy down this week and we drank many the beer. I'm sitting here milking a hangover today so I am researching some of this stuff. Hence the avalanche of posts, all of which are more valid than the propaganda you absorb and disseminate.

Just google "Mass grave claims in Iraq false?" and plenty of articles will pop up on this. Here's one that seems to address what I'm claiming.

Edit - And what I was claiming only had to do with the Iraq Iran war being a possible source of the mass graves. As far as you flipping out about soldiers and all that I'm not sure where you got that from. It is addressed in this piece but that just happens to be in addition to what I'm trying to back up. I don't know much about it. This guy claims it's documented.

And calm the fuck down.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/browne/browne44.html
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Fool Me Once . . .

Rape Rooms & Torture Chambers

What is it that everyone knows about Saddam Hussein?

The message-writer alludes to these things when he says, "The mass graves are being exhumed, not added to; the prison rape rooms are shut down." He didn’t bring up the gassing of the Kurds. He might also have mentioned the torture chambers – but for obvious reasons Saddam-haters have found it a bit embarrassing to mention those since we’ve become aware of the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and other prisons operated by the American military.

As badly as George Bush has needed good news about Iraq and verification for his claims that it was worth going to war with Iraq, you’d think that we would constantly be seeing pictures of rape rooms and torture chambers on TV, on the Internet, and in newspapers and magazines – together with detailed 1-2-3 explanations of the way each sadistic apparatus operated. This is the way the media normally operates with such stories – showing scenes over and over and over again.

But I haven’t seen a single one.

Have you?

But George Bush says . . . [well, you’ve heard it all a dozen times].

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Gassing his Own People

But of course we all know that Hussein gassed his own people at Halabja.

After all, George Bush has told us so – and told us so and told us so.

However, the verdict on that is far from settled. Because the event occurred on the battle line during the Iraq-Iran war, it’s entirely possible that the gas came from the Iranians (both sides used gas), or – if from the Iraqis – that it was directed at the Iranian soldiers. And if the gassing was done by Iraqi soldiers, it was done with chemical weapons that came from the United States. If it was such a terrible act, why did the Reagan administration make it possible?

Lastly, if gassing your "own people" is such a heinous act, why did the U.S. government do it at Waco in 1993?

The Mass Graves

The "Mass Grave" atrocity has always puzzled me.

Why is it somehow more heinous to bury people in mass graves, rather than in individual graves?

Obviously, anyone wants his loved ones to be honored and buried in a respectable, individual grave. But it may be that the circumstances of someone’s death – in war or in an epidemic – preclude that possibility.

However, whenever George Bush utters the words "mass graves," we’re all supposed to react in horror that someone would be so sadistic as to have authorized mass graves.

But the relevant question is: why are there mass graves?

I may have dozed off once or twice, but I haven’t heard anyone answer that question. I guess we’re supposed to assume that Saddam Hussein executed so many opponents of his regime that they had to dump all the dead bodies in huge, mass graves.

So is that what happened?

Possibly, but I haven’t seen any proof of it. No pictures, no eye-witness accounts. Just uttering the words "mass graves" over and over like a mantra. From what we’ve seen, you’d be hard put to believe there even are any mass graves.

But in fact they do exist – some of them for certain, and several others possibly. Here are a few I’m aware of . . .

In February 1991, just after the start of the brief Gulf War, there was a large fight at the "Neutral Zone" located at the Iraq-Saudi border. American troops slaughtered thousands of Iraqi soldiers, after which American earth-movers plowed the Iraqis into the ground and covered them up. Possibly thousands of Iraqis were buried in the mass graves the American military created.
Near the end of the 1991 Gulf War, U.S. troops slaughtered thousands of Iraqi soldiers who were retreating from Kuwait. Once again, the dead soldiers were plowed into the ground. I can only wonder what weeds will grow from those seeds.
One mass grave near a Baghdad palace is known to contain Iraqi soldiers who died when American soldiers stormed Baghdad.
When the U.S. Marines destroyed Fallujah, at least 600 Iraqis died – and most of them were buried in mass graves set up in soccer fields, called the "Graveyard of the Martyrs" by Fallujah residents.
Those four sets of mass graves have been documented. But (to the best of my knowledge) they haven’t been shown on TV – probably because it was the U.S. military that created them. There may be other mass graves as well. For example . . .

5. In the 1980s, Iraq and Iran fought a terrible war in which, most likely, hundreds of thousands of people died. It’s certainly possible that many of them were buried in mass graves.

6. Lastly, perhaps the ghastliest possibility has to do with the end of the 1991 Gulf War. George Bush Sr. exhorted the Iraqi people to "take matters into your own hands and force Saddam to step aside." This provoked a tremendous uprising that won a few victories against the Iraqi army.

The Iraqi rebels naturally assumed that the U.S. military was going to help them "force Saddam to step aside." But George H.W. Bush suddenly reversed himself, and the U.S. military did everything possible to prevent the uprising from succeeding. As a result, the Iraqi Republican Army slaughtered thousands of Iraqis.

A mass grave near Al Hillah was unearthed in the summer of 2003, producing the bodies of 900 of the Shiites who were massacred as a consequence of George H.W. Bush’s false promises.

Fool me thrice, and a lot of Iraqis die.

In 2003 the U.S. State Department produced a webpage designed to make us repulsed by the horrible mass graves in Iraq. However, for some unexplained reason, it doesn’t mention that some of the graves were created by the U.S. military.

Fool me quadrupily, what’s the matter with me?

P.S. Do you remember all the talk about the mass graves in which Serbs supposedly buried up to 100,000 innocent Kosovo civilians during the NATO war of 1999? Well, it turned out that the investigative teams of the War Crimes Tribunal couldn’t find evidence of even one grave that might be called "mass."

Fool me quintupily, and I’d better see a therapist.



Here's your Sasquatch shit you freak


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The King Of Karaoke
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quote:
Originally posted by Dallas

You have yet another new lie. American troops built mass graves and dumped newly killed Iraqi citizens in them? Saddam did not massacre his own people? Really have you no shame? Do you not know anyone who is in the military? You are a sick fuck. Really. No shame at all. From your fucking skateboard you make claims like that about 1000's of Americans who serve despite jackasses like you.

You have no decency at all. Who are you accusing of this shit? Is everyone in the US Military a blood thirsty murderer willing to dump thousands upon thousands of bodies in a hole and never complain? Never report it? How fucking stupid are you?

I may be the only one on this forum who thinks so, but, its outrageous for an assclown like you to make claims like that about regular Americans who are either doing something they believe in and are willing to risk there life over or are fulfilling a commitment they made for whatever reasons. The vast majority of the people serving over there are reservists. You are an outed poser who came on this forum and had the balls to say you were battling world conspiracies on your weekends and free time. And you pull shit like that on people who are really out there. Your a loser by definition.

Oh ass clown, we won't have to wait 4 years, it should be a matter of months before GWB starts setting hs martial law program in motion and will be dictator in 18 months! Unless the working women zombies stop him!



Not sure how this statement got contorted into whatever the fuck you are talking about.

"How about all those mass graves they supposedly found where Saddam buried the citizens he'd killed? Those were dug to bury the dead from the Iraq/Iran war. Which the U.S supported."

It sounds like you've maybe had this argument before and assumed I had the same information?

I'm strictly talking the Iran/Iraq war being the possible source of the mass graves and the fact that the US supported Saddam's efforts during the time of that war.

Remember?


Also, you obviously know nothing about the Sasquatch phenomenon, so you'd be best to keep your mouth shut on that subject before I really embarrass you.

Just google "Sasquatch scat" if one dump isn't enough for you.

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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/02/2007 :  22:20:43  Show Profile
Dallas says - "We are finding prehistoric fish fossils in the middle of Texas, but, not a one sasquatch anywhere at anytime."

Our entire fossil record is of hominid skeletal remains that - it could be argued - more accurately fit the description of a Sasquatch than that of modern man. Their bone structure indicates that they were all hairy brutes right up until Cro-magnon appeared on the scene. Our evidence of human evolution is based on less than half a tennis court of fossils. If these fossils are believed to be that of our ancestors, our ancestors were hairy muscular brutes which remained relatively unchanged until the sudden appearance of Cro-Magnon man.

Could all of these fossils actually be of different ancient hominids that existed at some time?

Sasquatch type creatures - of which there may be as many as eight or nine different types through out the world - are believed (by the believers) to be primitive hominids that have survived undisturbed in isolated, relatively unchanged environments throughout the years to present.

Let me give you an example of a relict hominid bones that have been discovered and highly publicized http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hobbitt+fossil&btnG=Search

Here's the National geographic depiction of this creature. A very "human evolution" friendly version.
Human body, hideous face.


In reality this may more accurately depict it's appearance.
This is an artist's rendition of an Orang Pendek based on eyewitness accounts


If this is what they have found fossils of, there are reports that this creature still exists throughout Sumatra and Southeast Asia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orang_Pendek

quote:
Fortean Times 182 April 2004

Jungle Encounter: A talk with Debbie Martyr by Richard Freeman

RICHARD FREEMAN: Tell me how you first became interested in Orang-Pendek?

Debbie Martyr: I was travelling in Sumatra as a journalist in 1989. I was climbing Mount Kerinci and heard of a legendary animal that I thought would add a bit of colour to my travel piece. Then I started meeting people who claimed to have seen something. At that stage I didn’t believe or not believe; I was trained as a journalist, which is a respectable profession, so I took a look into it.

RF: Can you tell me about the first time you saw orang-pendek?

DM: I saw it in the middle of September; I had been out here four months. At that time I was 90 per cent certain that there was something here, that it wasn’t just traditional stories. I thought it would be an orang-utan and that it would move like an orang-utan, not bipedally like a man. I had my own preconception of what the animal would look like if I did see it, and I had been throwing away reports of the animal on the basis of colour that didn’t fit what I thought the animal would look like. When I saw it, I saw an animal that didn’t look like anything in any of the books I had read, films I had seen, or zoos I had visited. It did indeed walk rather like a person – and that was a shock.

RF: What did it look like?

DM: A relatively small, immensely strong, non-human primate. But it was very gracile, that was the odd thing. So if you looked at the animal you might say that it resembled a siamang or an agile gibbon on steroids! It doesn’t look like an orang-utan. Their proportions are very different. It’s built like a boxer, with immense upper body strength. But why an animal with immense upper body strength should be lumbering around on the ground, I don’t know. It makes no sense at all.

It was a gorgeous colour, moving bipedally and trying to avoid being seen. I knew there was something in the vicinity, because the action of birds and primates in the area meant that there was obviously something moving around. So I sent a guide around as far as I could to where the disturbance was. Whatever was concealed in the undergrowth would try to avoid my guide and move away in front of him. I was concealed, looking down over a small shallow valley. We didn’t know what we were going to see. It could have been a bear, it could have been a tiger, it could have been a golden cat, or anything. Instead, a bipedal, non-human primate walked down the path ahead. It was concentrating so hard on avoiding my guide it didn’t look towards me. I had a camera in my hand at the time but I dropped it, I was so shocked. It was something so new my synapses froze up for a minute trying to identify something I hadn’t seen before.

RF: You have seen it a couple of times since. Could you tell me about those sightings?

DM: I saw it again about three weeks later. Again, it was on Mount Tuju and, again, I had a camera in my hand but I froze, because I didn’t know what I was seeing. It had frozen on the trail because it had heard us coming. All I could see was that something across the valley had changed. I looked through a pair of binoculars. Something didn’t look quite right in the landscape. By the time I trained on the area the animal had gone. Those were the only times I could have got a photo of it. I have seen it since, but fleetingly. Once you have seen an animal you can recognise it. If you have seen a rhino you can recognise a bit of a rhino.

RF: Can you tell me a bit about your theory of why orang-pendek walks bipedally?

DM: Everyone has pet theories. I think the only thing that makes sense is the massive volcanic event about 50,000 years ago that created what is now Lake Toba up in northern Sumatra. It created a [geographical and biological] divide. You get the Malayan tapir down here but not up there. You get the Thomas’s leaf monkey up there but not down here. In recent geological history it was the biggest volcanic event. It was absolutely immense and would have caused massive habitat destruction right across Sumatra and into Malaysia. All I can think is that surviving animals down here would have had to become terrestrial. They would have found themselves with very few trees.

RF: But 50,000 years is a very short time for something to change so radically.

DM: What you could suggest is that 50,000 years would be sufficient time for something to change its muscles. Maybe there wouldn’t be much skeletal change, there would be some but not a lot. But the main change would be in the muscles. An adaptable animal that is being forced to walk erect. Gibbons can walk erect so perhaps another, larger ape could become bipedal. Speciation – that’s what makes the most sense.

RF: What do you think of reports of other bipedal apes in Asia?

DM: I don’t believe in the abominable snowman. My father was in Tibet and saw what he was told were yeti tracks, but they turned out to be bear footprints. They are just too big. I think three-metre-tall (10ft) apes are too big. Maybe there has been exaggeration through fear. I don’t believe in things like bigfoot. The yeren in China might exist. Orang-utans lived in China in the Pleistocene. It could be speciation in the orang-utan. The forests of Assam might be a good place to look as well.
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AUTHOR: RICHARD FREEMAN is one of Britain’s few professional cryptozoologists. He worked as a zookeeper before reading zoology and has worked at the Centre For Fortean Zoology since 1996. He is currently finishing a book on dragon legends worldwide.

© Copyright Fortean Times, From FT 182 April 2004


A video clip interview of Debbie Matyr can be found in the videos, images and sounds section of this website http://www.bigfootencounters.com/

That's much more than you deserve considering your childish behavior this evening





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Oh, I don't know if you've ever seen it but National Geographic had a special called the Yeti hunter or something like that. I saw it and it was pretty much a guy trekking through the jungle with a guide that claimed to know where a yeti lived. Near the end of the special they make it to this giant tree with sort of a hollowed out section underneath. It didn't really look like much of a Yeti home but the guy went in the looking for some evidence. Well, he happened to find - all on film as it was taking place - a small clump of hair that had a chunk of skin cells at the base.

And he had it analyzed.

The result?

The result is that you have once again been proven a buffoon. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=yeti+dna+defies+analysis%3F&btnG=Search

And a nasty one at that.

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You know what would be cool Kok? (and everyone else including CARL!)

quote:
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Nancy,been there, done that. 3/4 ADA, 82nd ABN, Co.A, 1st Bn, 7th SFG.
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You'll make a great soldier.

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KOK-Try to be consistent. Just because we havent found the yeti does not prove it doesnt exist. At the same time, just because we havent found the wmd doesnt mean they dont exist. You have Goodall(where is she now)they have thousands of Kurds who witnessed the wmd. You have a piece of shit from said monster, They have film footage of the gassing.
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Is this an experiment to see if this forum can hold all of the internet cut and pasted onto it?
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yes
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why am I having a conversation with myself?
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KOK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzszzj_Mw-8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Flouminatti%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F
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quote:
Originally posted by thermoplastics

KOK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzszzj_Mw-8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Flouminatti%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F



"Thermo" first off, thank you for serving for our country but most importantly thank you for coming back alive. I hate to think of all the people dying over this lie. I have a couple of friends that have come back and they commented that they - to this day - don't even know what they were there fighting for. It's really changed their perception of the world.

Let's discuss some of the stuff this ignoramus is addressing in the video.

First off, what's with the disguise? What's with the short (military?) hair cut? Makes me very suspicious about where this guy is getting his information.

Okay,

Osama Bin laden is dead. The fact that he speaks of him as though he is still alive is fucking hilarious. Made me want to shut it off right then and there but I've linked so many vid's I figured I'd give it a run out of respect.

Afghanistan was invaded to secure an oil pipeline to the Caspian sea and (possibly) to free up the poppy growth which the Taliban had put the squeeze on. Drugs fund covert operations. Hope that answer's dudes question on that. Afghanistan is not "just rocks."

He freely admits that we were repeatedly lied to leading up to the invasion of Iraq as if we should all be okay with that because they came from our supreme leaders. Then he ridicules the people that are tired of being lied to. People like me for instance.

Colin Powell was able to hold up a vial of Anthrax because the sickos in the white house were the one's that perpetrated that bull shit. Don't believe it? You have Google don't you?

As far as his "Israeli connection to 9/11" if they had anything to do with it it was only the Mossad working as part of the team with our own government's intelligence service. The Mossad, the CIA, and MI6 are all part of one giant organization these days.

This guys video is cute and all but I'm not sure who it was supposed to impress. Yes, many conspiracy nuts have many opinions I can't address that. Remote control planes rockets, unloading of passengers or not the only person I could think of that could address that would be Dick Cheney since he was one of the key players orchestrating the whole thing that day.

Anyway, I normally don't discuss 9/11 anymore so lets get back to the lie we are discussing, okay?

What was you experience like over there?



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KOK-Try to be consistent. Just because we havent found the yeti does not prove it doesnt exist. At the same time, just because we havent found the wmd doesnt mean they dont exist. You have Goodall(where is she now)they have thousands of Kurds who witnessed the wmd. You have a piece of shit from said monster, They have film footage of the gassing.




Well, "yaz" when I read in the "New York Post", the "Washington Post" or "USA Today" for example, that the Kurds have said they saw the WMD's and that they(?) "have a film of the gassing" it doesn't mean I instantly believe it. I guess that's where the problem lies.

You see there is a little thing we in the know call "propaganda" going on in this country's media.* The problem is most Americans don't think it actually exists here and that's why it's so effective.

Where is this film of the gassing? And if it exists is it actually a film from the Iran/Iraq war were we as in the US were the one's supplying the gas?*

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*Note picture of Rummy and Saddam above.




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Originally posted by Little Black Francis

You know what would be cool Kok? (and everyone else including CARL!)

quote:
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The only difference between you and this Youtube, is that the author knows we are laughing at the idiocy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI
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Your denial of every video or writing against your point of veiw would be the same as me responding to the photo of rummy and saddam as propaganda or the film footage of german concentration camps as allied popaganda. Your inability to actually grasp history and facts is astounding. I to try to question what i read etc. but at some point the facts add up. For every mention of abu graib there are thousands of personal accounts of the butchery of saddam. sasquatch/wmd
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Yaz I went looking for the vid. I have Fox, and some other website that appears to be military minded "Iraq Update"? There are only a few articles addressing this bit of evidence.

I have one article from Aljazeera. Where if you've seen the documentary "Control Room" you will agree that they are more credible a news source than FOX news.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6E25A0EB-8682-46E1-9DA4-74C090A9D20D.htm

Now in the last paragraph it says that Saddam's defense claimed the documents were doctored and Saddam is stating with pride that he gassed Iran during the Iraq/Iran war. The time line of the supposed gassing(87/88) also indicates it was during the Iraq Iran war so that raises enough suspicion in my mind to consider these claims to be dubious at best.

This is how you read between the lines and filter out propaganda.

I still don't see any link for the actual video either. I would like to see this.

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quote:
Originally posted by thermoplastics

The only difference between you and this Youtube, is that the author knows we are laughing at the idiocy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI



Cute and all, but I try and refrain from discussing 9/11 in this forum anymore. It proved to be an exercise in futility.

Tell me about your time in Iraq.

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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke

quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis

You know what would be cool Kok? (and everyone else including CARL!)

quote:
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Happy now? Get out your magnifying glass.



That's beautiful man. I'm impressed. You are a true leader.


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And again Yaz allow me to point out something that makes your whole point moot.

Saddam offered to go into exile. There was absolutely no need for us to attack Iraq and facilitate the killing of 3000 Iraqi's a month

- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/270907_offered_exile.htm

Now, you know what you can do with this information? Ignore it just like all my other detractors will, then go back to arguing/ridiculing me in a couple of days on your original point. This is the basic scenario I deal with on here.

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kok---why dont you use Pravda as a source for the millions who did'nt die in the ussr? We can all find sources for every point of veiw but again, at some point the facts add up.
You have accepted that saddam had wmd. (again, you side with the butchers). oh let me get this straight, he had them to use on the iranians but not the kurds so he doesnt have them?
Do all newspapers lie to some degree? Of course they do. Do all governments kill people? Of course they do. But when you fail to see the difference between our media and al jazeera or fail to see the difference between Bush and hitler or North and South korea your argument losses weight. Some things are actually a fact. The holocaust did happen.
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Al Jazeera reports news, what does "our" media do?
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You tell me.

Outfoxed - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=out+foxed&total=231&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Control room - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5468579280837866970&q=Control+room&total=2537&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

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