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The King Of Karaoke
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 Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:07:52
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I gather, Check out the film I linked. It goes through all that.
I haven't watched all of it yet. Most a few months back, but not all.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:08:48
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Dude, I can't answer your questions if you are going to delete them after.
Fix it back.
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:11:05
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I asked teh question then you edited the post before it that answered the question, ... dude
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:13:20
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GTFO! ; P
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:16:15
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hahahaha. I wonder if it would have made any difference in the world if John Lennon didn't die prematurely.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:23:44
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I've come to the conclusion that there is an elite group of people/families that have had a plan for a one world government for over one hundred years. If you read some reports it's over two hundred years. The plan is genius and is being carried out covertly. There is nothing any common man can do about it.
New World Order (conspiracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 00:33:37
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quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I've come to the conclusion that there is an elite group of people/families that have had a plan for a one world government for over one hundred years. If you read some reports it's over two hundred years. The plan is genius and is being carried out covertly. There is nothing any common man can do about it.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 05:06:44
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Can a common woman do anything about it? How about a common shemale?
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 07:11:06
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quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I've come to the conclusion that there is an elite group of people/families that have had a plan for a one world government for over one hundred years. If you read some reports it's over two hundred years. The plan is genius and is being carried out covertly. There is nothing any common man can do about it.
New World Order (conspiracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays
What about the New Order conspiracy? Ian Curtis is still alive.
but I guess that would be the Joy Division conspiracy. Hey, I'm trying!
 "How do you like that, Sir Harold?
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 08:55:55
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Attack on Iran Said To Be Imminent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/280907_b_attack.htm
Okay, so where are we with the predictions?
Iran attack imminent.
Global carbon tax imminent
What's the other?
Oh yeah, depression imminent.
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays
Are you all dressed up like The Cure? just a hunch
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 09:02:45
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Let's keep this discussion focused where it belongs...
Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief.
Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer.
And to sum up our lost soul, we have this: Conspiracism is a particular narrative form of scapegoating that frames demonized enemies as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm.
This is about someone who NEEDS to feel important. Who's own life is unsatisfying enough to himself that he has to create a heroic persona. Its sad. But remember, this all started with the fact that KOK was giving up all his free time and weekends so that HE could end these world-altering conspiracies. He was in the middle of the battle. Its all transparent puffery, but, when taken to these extremes its just watching someone come unhinged. Bigfoot, the Rothschilds, Feminists, OH MY! What to do, what to do, must get to skateboard and keyboard!! |
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pioneers parrot
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 09:26:56
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Originally posted by Dallas
Let's keep this discussion focused where it belongs...
Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief.
Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer.
And to sum up our lost soul, we have this: Conspiracism is a particular narrative form of scapegoating that frames demonized enemies as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm.
This is about someone who NEEDS to feel important. Who's own life is unsatisfying enough to himself that he has to create a heroic persona. Its sad. But remember, this all started with the fact that KOK was giving up all his free time and weekends so that HE could end these world-altering conspiracies. He was in the middle of the battle. Its all transparent puffery, but, when taken to these extremes its just watching someone come unhinged. Bigfoot, the Rothschilds, Feminists, OH MY! What to do, what to do, must get to skateboard and keyboard!!
As someone who is new here, and as someone who has been so sweetly called a douchebag and a gay and a possible alias for another poster here, I won't touch the last paragraph (as I probably don't have the capital to judge anyone even in a joking way), but I want to say that the first few paragraphs are really well-written and persuasive.
Polly want a cheeto? Damn straight I say, my good man! Why, squawk, I say. |
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trobrianders
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 09:32:58
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How do you tell the difference between needing to sound an alarm and an alarm that needs to sound? I see where you're coming from Dallas but all the same that sounded harsh on KOK. Mind you I haven't trawled through all his shit. Are any of his posts on the mark?
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trobrianders
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 09:35:08
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Originally posted by pioneers parrot
I want to say that the first few paragraphs are really well-written and persuasive.
Polly want a cheeto? Damn straight I say, my good man! Why, squawk, I say.
How uncommonly undouchebagish of you to say!
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pioneers parrot
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 09:39:21
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quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
quote:
Originally posted by pioneers parrot
I want to say that the first few paragraphs are really well-written and persuasive.
Polly want a cheeto? Damn straight I say, my good man! Why, squawk, I say.
How uncommonly undouchebagish of you to say!
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Ed is the hoo hoo
Thanks.
Polly want a cheeto? Damn straight I say, my good man! Why, squawk, I say. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:18:48
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Originally posted by VoVat
Can a common woman do anything about it? How about a common shemale?
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares."
Sorry, to exclude your mother Vovat. I mean the common person.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:30:26
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Originally posted by Dallas
Let's keep this discussion focused where it belongs...
Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief.
Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer.
And to sum up our lost soul, we have this: Conspiracism is a particular narrative form of scapegoating that frames demonized enemies as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm.
This is about someone who NEEDS to feel important. Who's own life is unsatisfying enough to himself that he has to create a heroic persona. Its sad. But remember, this all started with the fact that KOK was giving up all his free time and weekends so that HE could end these world-altering conspiracies. He was in the middle of the battle. Its all transparent puffery, but, when taken to these extremes its just watching someone come unhinged. Bigfoot, the Rothschilds, Feminists, OH MY! What to do, what to do, must get to skateboard and keyboard!!
Funny how you so easily find these tools the establishment use to try and discredit anyone that dares to ask questions.
So, call it what you like Dallas. The only search I'm on is for the people that are willing to speak up when they see injustice.
Leading up to the war with Iraq you were fed and eagerly swallowed disinformation. Then you proceeded to cheerily go forth and disseminate these lies whenever you had the opportunity. All done with a big smile on your pathetic face I'm sure.
Thanks for doing your part to kill so many innocent people and destroy the planet "rape chamber" guy. You are a mind slave.
Here's some recent activism where some of the awake people of this country took a moment to care and it had an effect.
OpEdNews
Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_thepen_070929_now_read_the_truth_3a_.htm
September 29, 2007
Now Read The Truth: Lieberman-Kyl DEFANGED Because of YOU
By thepen
WE THE PEOPLE CUT THE HEART OUT OF THE LIEBERMAN-KYL AMENDMENT
It has taken a couple days for the actual disposition of the Lieberman-Kyl amendment to leak out, but in FACT, the two most offensive paragraphs (3 and 4), which we were objecting to so strenuously as amounting to a declaration of war on Iran, were REMOVED IN THEIR ENTIRELY prior to the vote. Which means we WON.
Behold your victory:
Yes, you did it, with your TENS of thousands of emails and phones to Congress this last Monday and Tuesday. We are so proud of our participants on this one. Claim your win.
What was left was not great, but ultimately it means nothing with the actual teeth of the amendment extracted, not that that's any excuse for those who voted yes (or did not vote at all). So the Senate called some people a terrorist organization. Big deal, it's not binding anyway, no more than their groundless and hypocritical condemnation of MoveOn a week ago. And for those who may say this gives Cheney and Bush an excuse to do anything, this White House doesn't think it needs an excuse to do anything, that's the whole POINT of impeachment.
Once again this PROVES that activism works. We beat them back this time in a major way, folks, and why? Because we actually spoke out, that's why! We dismissed the voices of defeatism and took action. Fancy that, participatory democracy works. Are the evil ones going to give up? Of course not, and that's why we're not going to give up either. Let's say it together, we're going to keep ON speaking out in even greater numbers.
There are many dirty secrets in Washington, but the biggest one of all they are trying to keep may be that when you write and call in mass numbers, members of Congress tremble, shaking in their socks, especially in the House where they have to get reelected every two years. Oh, sure, sometimes they send us their form letter responses trying to sluff us off, trying to con us into thinking we are not having an impact. But we know the truth, which is that they work for us, and we do have the POWER with our personal messages to enforce that.
WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? WHY, IMPEACHMENT OF COURSE
This week yet another video of Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney surfaced from the early nineties, again articulating his views as to why trying to occupy Iraq would be lead to nothing but a disastrous quagmire. And yet this is the same man who not only lied the country into doing just that once he seized power himself, but is still the most aggressive force in the White House pushing for an even more monumental debacle in Iran.
H. RES 333 ACTION PAGE: http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php
Recognizing the gravity of the increasingly loud drumbeats for more war coming from the Vice President's office, this week Dennis Kucinich, who had already gotten 20 cosponsors for H.Res 333 to impeach Cheney, said he was seriously considering forcing the House of Representatives to take up the issue of impeachment by bringing it as a privileged resolution.
We have a major win in our pocket this week. We have slowed them down. But we also recognize that the only thing that will stop them completely is confronting the White House, and Cheney in particular, with impeachment. Each and every member of the House must be called to account at this moment in American political history, by the demands of you, their constituents, whether they will stand up for the Constitution and stop Dick Cheney's delusional march to Iran . . . or not.
Already more than 110,000 of your fellow constituents have voted in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll. If we had a million people call in one week, impeachment would be the centerpiece on the table so fast it would make their heads spin. We're going to do it. We're going to crank up our efforts to a new level this week. And when Dennis Kucinich DOES introduce his privileged resolution, we're going to crank it up even more.
THANK DENNIS KUCINICH PERSONALLY FOR HIS LEADERSHIP
Once again, Dennis Kucinich stands out as the leading voice calling for restoration of our Constitution. Isn't that enough reason to make whatever donation you can to him, to encourage him to speak out even stronger on the issues more and more every day? If you have not done so already, please do so now if you can.
DENNIS KUCINICH CONTRIBUTIONS:
http://www.usalone.com/donations_kucinich.php
Authors Website: http://www.peaceteam.net
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:33:19
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Originally posted by mr.biscuitdoughhead
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I've come to the conclusion that there is an elite group of people/families that have had a plan for a one world government for over one hundred years. If you read some reports it's over two hundred years. The plan is genius and is being carried out covertly. There is nothing any common man can do about it.
New World Order (conspiracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays
What about the New Order conspiracy? Ian Curtis is still alive.
but I guess that would be the Joy Division conspiracy. Hey, I'm trying!
"How do you like that, Sir Harold?
Itunes has some New Order exclusives available, which came out this week.
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:35:08
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Originally posted by houstonguthrie
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Attack on Iran Said To Be Imminent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/280907_b_attack.htm
Okay, so where are we with the predictions?
Iran attack imminent.
Global carbon tax imminent
What's the other?
Oh yeah, depression imminent.
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays
Are you all dressed up like The Cure? just a hunch
No, I'm dressed up like a fourteen year old skateboarder thanks to this amazing website!
http://www.whiskeymilitia.com/?cmp_id=EM_DLY6001&mv_pc=r240
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“As civilizations become more complex, and as the need for invisible government has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which public opinion may be regimented. With printing press and newspaper, the telephone, telegraph, radio and airplanes, ideas can be spread rapidly, even instantaneously, across the whole of America.” - Edward Bernays |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:57:56
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One more for the free thinkers.
From: http://www.brasschecktv.com
The Bush Administration is on track with its plans to
attack Iran before George Bush Jr. leaves office
in 18 months.
Unfortunately, few Americans think this is probable,
let alone possible.
It is both.
I agree with Scott Ritter and Daniel Ellsberg
(of "The Pentagon Papers" fame) that this attack
will have negative consequences on the world and
American citizens far in excess of 9/11 and the
Iraq War.
It could very well be the final nail in the coffin
of American democracy.
With that in mind...
Here are some facts to share with your friends and
colleagues about the Iran situation to stop this war
before it starts:
*** Reality check
The Bush propagandists are hard at work trying to draw a
comparison between Nazi Germany and Iran.
There are a few major problems with their fairy tale.
For example:
1. Modern Iran has no history of military aggression
Fact: Iran has never invaded or attacked another country
in the Middle East or elsewhere.
In contrast, the US has savaged Iraq causing the death
of over 600,000 civilians since 2003 alone.
In the summer of 2006, Israel bombarded Lebanon in a
"search for terrorists" killing over 1,000 civilians and causing
billions of dollars in damage to the country's infrastructure
(airport, ports, roadways, housing, and factories.)
In 1980, the US encouraged its ally Saddam Hussein
to attack Iran and he did with terrible consequences
for the Iranian people.
2. Who has nukes?
Facts:
a. Iran has no nuclear weapons
b. Iran lacks the ability to create nuclear weapons
c. Iran is permitted by international treaty to develop
a nuclear energy program.
In contrast, the US has the largest nuclear weapons stockpile
on earth and has stated, under the Bush administration,
its "right" to use them "pre-emptively" at President
Bush's discretion. The US continues to develop new
and "improved" nuclear weapons.
Israel has a well developed nuclear weapons program
and is the only nuclear power in the Middle East.
3. The US attacked Iran in the 1980s using Iraq as a surrogate
Saddam Hussein, who was put in power by the US, was supported
in his invasion of Iran with billions of dollars in US weapons
shipped to him by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. and coordinated
by people including Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.
Over 300,000 Iranians were killed in this US-funded war and
over 500,000 were wounded.
It was during the US supported-Iraq attack on Iran that the
US transferred chemical and biological weapons technology
to Iraq. There is evidence that the Bush family commercially
profited from these arms exports.
4. The US installed and maintained a tyranny in Iran
that operated from 1953 to 1979.
In 1953, the US and CIA with help from the UK engineered a violent
overthrow of the country's democratically elected government and
then supported a brutal, anti-democratic dictator in Iran - the
so called "Shah of Iran" - who jailed thousands of dissidents and
engaged in vicious torture.
*** Military considerations
1. Iran is the 18th largest country in the world by size - the area
of the UK, France and German combined.
2. Iran has over 70 million people - three times the population of
Iraq
3. The Iranian military
Unlike Iraq, which lost a war with the US in 1990 and was
militarily attacked non-stop up to the US invasion in 2003,
Iran has had approximately 20 uninterrupted years to
build and refine it defense capacity
4. Iranians are as patriotic about their country as
Americans are about theirs and will stand and fight
as they proved when attacked by Iraq in 1980.
When fighting Iraq, Iran used every human and
material recourse it had including "human waves"
of poorly armed and equipped suicide troops
who overcame the Iraqis with their sheer numbers.
We have 160,000 troops in the region. The Iranians
have 70,000,000 people and they will be fighting
on their home turf for their homeland.
5. Invaders are always at a disadvantage no
matter how technologically advanced.
Invaders who have a supply line many thousands of
miles long are at an extreme disadvantage.
6. Iranian tactics and operations are up-to-date
and formidable.
Iranian-trained militias in Lebanon were able
to counter an all out attack on Lebanon by the
US-equipped Israel army and air force and compel
the Israelis to retreat and agree to a cease-fire.
7. Potential Iranian responses to a US attack
Iran in a counterattack has the option of:
a. closing the Straits of Hormuz (through which over 20%
of the world's oil passes),
b. attacking Israel, and/or
c. attacking US military installations in Iraq
None of these operations would be difficult or expensive to
carry out.
However, the financial and human consequences could
be extreme.
Oil, already at $80 a barrel could, according to Wall Street
analysts, hit $200 per barrel - or more - with a doubling of
current gasoline prices.
Thousands of civilians and military personnel could be
killed and wounded in a matter of days.
*** Is war with Iran possible?
Yes.
1. Bush has the legal authority
Bush secured the legal authority to attack any country
any time for any reason post 9/11 and pre-Iraq invasion.
Congress has never taken this power back from him.
They need to do it. NOW.
2. The troops, weapons and plans needed are already in place
The so called "surge" has put many extra thousands
of US troops and equipment into the region. (For the
geographically challenged Iran is right next to Iraq.)
3. The propaganda war has already started
A very well funded and well organized propaganda
operation - Freedom's Watch - staffed by former
Bush administration officials has set up in Washington DC
with a multi-million dollar budget to "sell" war with
Iran to the American people.
Sadly, they are doing an excellent job and few
Americans are aware of how they are being conned
(again.)
*** Who benefits from attacking Iran?
The people who will benefit from an attack on Iran
are very same people who benefited - and continue
to benefit - from the invasion of Iraq:
1. Oil companies - the price of their product will
skyrocket
2. Weapons makers - including the Carlyle Group,
which the Bush family owns a major stake in.
3. Virulent Anti-Muslim and Arab zealots in Israel and elsewhere
- and the idiots in America who support them
4. Insiders with the financial resources place "bets" on the
war: buy gold, buy oil, short the US dollar etc.
5. Anti-democratic forces in the United States
About this last point...
Starting with the Reagan administration and continuing
unabated through the Clinton administration and
accelerating after 9/11, the executive branch of the United
States government has methodically been:
1. Destroying traditional rights and protections guaranteed
to US citizens by the Constitution
2. Creating a police state apparatus designed to silence
and suppress dissent with maximum force.
Simply by declaring you an "enemy combatant" or
someone who "supports" a declared enemy, you can be
arrested and held without charge indefinitely and without
the right to counsel.
This means that should the Bush administration engage
in a war of naked aggression against Iran openly killing
thousands of innocent Iranian civilians with bombardment,
including nuclear attacks, the very act of speaking out about
the immorality of such an attack could land you in jail
for the rest of your life or until such time the President
of the United States decides to release you.
Does this sound improbable?
It's not.
Imagine this possible scenario.
The US attacks Iran.
Iran counterattacks hitting Israel and US troops
in Iraq.
Underestimating the capacity of the Iranians to
defend themselves, the US finds its troops pinned
down in Iraq by a military that is capable of killing
them by the thousands.
What would the US do if, in yet another Bush
blunder, Bush put thousands of US troops at
the immediate risk of being killed?
How would the average uneducated American,
coming late to the story, react to the news that
hundreds of US servicemen and women were
being killed daily?
Would this give Bush the green light for what
his administration has been creating the
military doctrine for: a unilateral, first strike
nuclear attack?
You bet it would and in the perverse world of
the Bush family and its allies, it's possible they
may welcome the chance to finally let that
particular genie out of the bottle.
Bottom line:
Once a military attack against Iran gets started,
there is no imaginable positive outcome and potential
negative outcomes are worse than anything any
of us have seen in our lifetime.
For example:
* The reputation and moral standing of the US, which has
already been smeared by the blatant criminality of the Bush
administration, will be ruined, perhaps beyond repair
* Thousands of civilians and troops - perhaps tens
or even hundred of thousands - could be killed or
wounded. There could be casualties in ONE DAY that
dwarf all the casualties in Iraq since the invasion.
* The world economy will be thrown into a tailspin
and the US economy, the world's most dependent
on oil, will be hit especially hard.
* Underlying financial instability caused by a culture
of corruption and fraud (Enron, WorldCom, sub-prime
mortgages etc.) will be further strained perhaps
to the breaking point.
* China and Russian, two very formidable potential
enemies with human, natural and technological
resources equivalent to the US, may decide (if
they already haven't) that they need to join forces
to "check" US power and may begin to do so in
an aggressive way.
Again, this is all great news for the oil companies,
the weapons makers, the anti-Muslim and Arab zealots,
the opponents of civil rights and the Constitution.
and plugged in Wall Street operators.
It will be a disaster for American citizens.
Disasters for average Americans is what the Bush family
has been about for four generations now:
1. The great grandfather *Samuel Bush* was Woodrow Wilson's
liaison to the weapon's industry and profited mightily in that
role. He was one of a handful of architects "present at creation"
of the modern military-industrial complex which has
steadily bled the US financially and morally for private
profit for decades.
2. The grandfather *Prescott Bush* was US banker to the
Nazis, helping them before, during, and after World
War II with their financial operations.
3. Bush Sr. was behind the Iran-Contra operation
which illegally sent arms to Iran and siphoned
the profits for personal gain and to fund terrorist
operations in Central America. He also worked
with the Bin Laden family and others to fund the
so called Afghani resistance which became the Taliban
and al Queda.
4. And finally, George W. Bush, who in seven years has done more
lasting harm to to the United State than any group of external
enemies, real or imagined, could ever do.
Undermining fundamental America values and
strengthening US enemies been a lucrative business
for the Bush Family for four generations now.
*** Action items to stop the coming war
Let your friends and colleagues - and the media and
your local representatives know that:
1. You don't buy the Bush administration's anti-Iranian propaganda
2. A war against Iran would be potentially catastrophic,
much worse than the current disaster in Iraq
3. Advocacy for this war as practiced by
Bush administration front groups like Freedom's Watch
is against American interests and needs to be exposed
4. Bush needs to have the war powers granted to him
post 9/11 taken away and taken away now.
Brasscheck TV will be posting a number of new videos
about the impending war with Iran.
Until then, I recommend that you:
1. Familiarize yourself with the relevant videos on the
Brasscheck TV web site and,
2. If you have not already done do, become a free subscriber
to the e-mail video announcement service so we can keep
you informed as new information is available.
http://www.brasschecktv.com
- Brasscheck
P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and videos
with your friends and colleagues.
That's how we grow. Thanks.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Originally posted by trobrianders
How do you tell the difference between needing to sound an alarm and an alarm that needs to sound? I see where you're coming from Dallas but all the same that sounded harsh on KOK. Mind you I haven't trawled through all his shit. Are any of his posts on the mark?
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Ed is the hoo hoo
Dallas' mindset is the product of the U.S. military. I do not fault him for being the victim of government mind control. He got his brainwashing right from the source so it's a very deeply embedded, crucial part of his ideology. To attempt to shatter it is an attempt to shatter everything he's ever believed in.
Whenever anyone dares to go against anything Dallas stands for, Dallas goes right to some government approved resource in an attempt to reaffirm the mind control agenda. Then he eagerly provides the resource as proof that whatever deviates from his mind control is a bunch of hooey.
It's like telling an Evangelical Christian that Bush isn't really a christian. He only show's up for church - with the camera's blazing - around election time to garner votes from mindless, groupthink fools.
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Dallas' mindset is the product of the U.S. military.
Where can I get one of these mindsets?
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> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 19:29:34
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Originally posted by Carl
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Dallas' mindset is the product of the U.S. military.
Where can I get one of these mindsets?
Anyone for knob Marmite?
whiskeymilitia.com
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 19:31:14
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Whenever anyone dares to go against anything Dallas stands for, Dallas goes right to some government approved resource in an attempt to reaffirm the mind control agenda. Then he eagerly provides the resource as proof that whatever deviates from his mind control is a bunch of hooey.
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> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 23:34:39
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Yeah, but at least my sources are proving more and more to be the truth. Dallas' sources keep coming up as lies over and over and over and over again
How long until you finally say "What the fuck?"
It's like he's in an abusive relationship and after every beating he keeps inviting them back for more.
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Floop, I saw Apocalypto on Saturday, and you're right, it's pretty good.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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= Cult of Ray =
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Let's keep this discussion focused where it belongs...
Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief.
Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer.
And to sum up our lost soul, we have this: Conspiracism is a particular narrative form of scapegoating that frames demonized enemies as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm.
This is about someone who NEEDS to feel important. Who's own life is unsatisfying enough to himself that he has to create a heroic persona. Its sad. But remember, this all started with the fact that KOK was giving up all his free time and weekends so that HE could end these world-altering conspiracies. He was in the middle of the battle. Its all transparent puffery, but, when taken to these extremes its just watching someone come unhinged. Bigfoot, the Rothschilds, Feminists, OH MY! What to do, what to do, must get to skateboard and keyboard!!
NOTE: The other thing KOK likes to do when his mania is pointed out is bury the post with REALLY long-texted posts of his own. Go back and look, every time. Again, this started out with his assertion that he was battling evil on the weekends and in his free time. Again, each and every one of his conspiracies is a joke. Blackwater working for the US gov't is not a conspiracy, it is a fact reported on by all national media and the expenditures reported through the gov't. You may think it is evil or wrong, but, it is certainly not a secret conspiracy. Like feminism being a trick by the Rothschilds to enslave women. Or that Sasquatch is real. Again, when it is a psychological problem, it isn't one conspiracy, its many. Thats what we are dealing with in our little forum. |
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I just saw KOK's post about my 'lies'? Point one out.
Why don't you tell us about that great secret regarding the USS Liberty again?
How do you sleep at night knowing that there will be secretly enslaved women getting up the next morning and going to work?? Or that Bush is going to declar Martial Law and install himself as dictator in less than a year and a half?? Or that Sasquatch is out in the woods taking a big shit...and then disposing of any and all evidence said shit ever existed??
So many wars to fight...
At least defend your position that you had given up your weekends and free time to fight this tyranny! How goes it? The good fight I mean. Are we winning?????? |
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= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 20:52:54
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Floop, I saw Apocalypto on Saturday, and you're right, it's pretty good.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 08:41:41
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Originally posted by Dallas
I just saw KOK's post about my 'lies'? Point one out.
Why don't you tell us about that great secret regarding the USS Liberty again?
How do you sleep at night knowing that there will be secretly enslaved women getting up the next morning and going to work?? Or that Bush is going to declar Martial Law and install himself as dictator in less than a year and a half?? Or that Sasquatch is out in the woods taking a big shit...and then disposing of any and all evidence said shit ever existed??
So many wars to fight...
At least defend your position that you had given up your weekends and free time to fight this tyranny! How goes it? The good fight I mean. Are we winning??????
Read what I wrote again -
Leading up to the war with Iraq you were fed and eagerly swallowed disinformation. Then you proceeded to cheerily go forth and disseminate these lies whenever you had the opportunity. All done with a big smile on your pathetic face I'm sure.
Their lies which you took as your truth then went forth and disseminated.
Do I need to think back and post examples of all the BS you swallowed as reasons to invade Iraq rape chamber guy? All of which turned out to be false. The rape chamber stuff was the most disturbing. How about all those mass graves they supposedly found were Saddam buried the citizens he'd killed? Those were dug to bury the dead from the Iraq/Iran war. Which the U.S supported.
If I remember correctly the topic that started the whole debate was my using "The Information Clearing House" as a real news resource. You commented on me being a dolt and how nefarious that site was. Yeah.
Lets take a look at it four years later and see how it compares to all the mainstream media lies you were gullibly swallowing - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Or how about we look at how Saddam offered to go into Exile but they refused? Halliburton(etc) is not going to get all those no bid "rebuilding" contracts if Saddam just surrenders. We need to blow some shit up to make money. - http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/270907_offered_exile.htm
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 10:19:45
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Or that Sasquatch is real.
Let's deal with this subject for a moment. You seem to like to throw this around to firm up the idea that I'm a nut. I could recommend a number of convincing videos and books to back up the Sasquatch thing but you won't bother looking into any of them so it would be a waste of my time.
You do not believe in Sasquatch because you have never seen one while driving in your Hummer on your way to Costco.
If it was the 1800's9(edit) and I was running around proclaiming that the earth was round you'd be standing there calling me a nut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC117UYsHs
Here's a clip a grabbed off Youtube. If you like I'll list some books and documentaries that you may find on netflix.
What you will see in these clips is either one of two things, a Sasquatch or a man in a monkey suit.
Jane Goodall speaking in the beginning of this clip on NPR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV7xwDLW0hY
Transcript of Dr. Jane Goodall's Comments on NPR Regarding Sasquatch
On Friday, September 27, 2002, during National Public Radio's (NPR) Talk of the Nation: Science Friday with Ira Flatow, Dr. Jane Goodall made a striking comment on her strong beliefs that large "undiscovered" primates, such as the Yeti or Sasquatch, do indeed exist.
The following is a transcript of the relevant portion of the program:
Dr. Goodall: As for the other, you're talking about a yeti or bigfoot or sasquatch.
Ira Flatow: Is that what he's talking about?
Dr. Goodall: Yes, it is and ...
Ira Flatow: Is that the message I'm missing here?
Dr. Goodall: I think that's the message you're missing and ...
Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Is that right?
Caller: Pretty much.
Ira Flatow: (Laughing) I'm out of the loop. Go ahead.
Dr. Goodall: Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist.
Ira Flatow: You are?
Dr. Goodall: Yeah. I've talked to so many Native Americans who all describe the same sounds, two who have seen them. I've probably got about, oh, thirty books that have come from different parts of the world, from China from, from all over the place, and there was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week which says that British scientists have found what they believed to be a yeti hair and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.
Ira Flatow: Wow.
Dr. Goodall: That was just a wee bit in the newspaper and, obviously, we have to hear a little bit more about that.
Ira Flatow: Well, in this age of DNA, if you find a hair there might be some cells on it.
Dr. Goodall: Well, there will be and I'm sure that's what they've examined and they don't match up. That's what my little tiny snippet says. They don't match up with DNA cells from known animals, so -- apes.
Ira Flatow: Did you always have this belief that there., that they, that they existed?
Dr. Goodall: Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. (Chuckles.)
Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Alright?
Caller: Thank you.
Ira Flatow: Thanks for calling. (To Goodall) Well, how do you go looking for them? I mean, people have been looking, right? It's not like, or has this just been, since we don't really believe they can exist, we really haven't really made a serious search.
Dr. Goodall: Well, there are people looking. There are very ardent groups in Russia, and they have published a whole lot of stuff about what they've seen. Of course, the big, the big criticism of all this is, "Where is the body?" You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to.
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> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 11:34:47
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The Day After We Bomb Iran
By Chris Weigant
There's a raging debate within the Bush administration, the punditocracy, and the blogosphere about whether or not it is time to bomb Iran. While this conversation scares small children (and other sane people), most of the focus has been on (1) whether President... oh, excuse me... Vice President Cheney truly is moonbat-crazy enough to do so, and (2) whether anyone else in America (including the military) would go along with the idea. But not enough attention is being paid to what happens after we rain death from the skies down on Iran. Which is a shame, because that's what we ignored during the ramp-up to war with Iraq. And we all know how that turned out.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the United States actually does go ahead and bomb Iran. There are a lot of different scenarios which could lead to this point, of course -- a "false flag" operation (think: Gulf of Tonkin Incident); Iranian military captives the United States swears were killing Americans in Iraq being paraded before the television cameras; provoking the Iranian Navy and swearing we were in international waters and not Iranian waters -- there are many ways to make the case for war before the eyes of the world, so it's not very productive to worry about which method it may take. But let's assume George Bush presents some sort of a casus belli to the world, which is immediately followed by the United States military dropping bombs and cruise missiles on Iran.
Now the actual method of the attack (as opposed to the rationale) may influence later events, so it is worth breaking down the possibilities. The old plan was to destroy both Iran's nuclear sites and enough infrastructure that rebuilding them would take the Iranians years to accomplish (while bombing all the military sites and radar installations we see along the way, of course). The new plan (according to Seymour Hersh in his explosive new article in the New Yorker) is to take out the Revolutionary Guard (and to ignore the nuke sites), merely as hot-pursuit retaliation for Iranian involvement in Iraq (while also bombing all the radar installations we see along the way, of course).
Rumors abound that Israel is also thinking seriously about taking out the Iranian nuke sites. Perhaps a combination of the two is what is envisioned? An American raid which conveniently takes down the Iranian radar net would make it awfully tempting for Israeli jets to use the opportunity of such cover to achieve their main objective, it would seem.
This is all pure speculation on my part, I must admit. Whether our justification for the bombing is "hot pursuit" or whether it is to set Iranian nuclear progress back a decade will not matter a whole lot to whoever's under the bombs as they fall. But it may matter in the response Iran makes.
The neo-cons thinking: "They'll greet us with flowers, II"
So far, the Iranian response has seemingly been addressed by the neo-conservative think tank "The Iraqis Will Greet Us With Flowers Institute," which is fully as dangerous and deluded as it sounds. Their basic argument is the Iranians will see the errors of their ways (after we bomb them), throw out the Mullahs in Tehran, and beg the United States' forgiveness. Or that they're just too scared of our awesome military might ("Shock And Awe II," you might call it) to retaliate in any way, because they'd be terrified of losing a war with us.
That this is divorced from both reality and the history of the United States and Iran for the past 60 years or so seems to escape the proponents of this view. But then again, they sold the Bush White House on the "we'll be greeted as liberators, with flowers" line, so there's no guarantee it won't work a second time.
Here are some chilling quotes from Hersh's article on the subject of "what happens next?" after the bombs stop falling.
"They're moving everybody to the Iran desk," one recently retired C.I.A. official said. "They're dragging in a lot of analysts and ramping up everything. It's just like the fall of 2002" -- the months before the invasion of Iraq, when the Iraqi Operations Group became the most important in the agency. He added, "The guys now running the Iranian program have limited direct experience with Iran. In the event of an attack, how will the Iranians react? They will react, and the Administration has not thought it all the way through."
That theme was echoed by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national-security adviser, who said that he had heard discussions of the White House's more limited bombing plans for Iran. Brzezinski said that Iran would likely react to an American attack "by intensifying the conflict in Iraq and also in Afghanistan, their neighbors, and that could draw in Pakistan. We will be stuck in a regional war for twenty years.". . .
A senior European diplomat, who works closely with American intelligence, told me that there is evidence that Iran has been making extensive preparation for an American bombing attack. "We know that the Iranians are strengthening their air-defense capabilities," he said, "and we believe they will react asymmetrically -- hitting targets in Europe and in Latin America." There is also specific intelligence suggesting that Iran will be aided in these attacks by Hezbollah. "Hezbollah is capable, and they can do it," the diplomat said.
The article does quote one unnamed "senior European official" (most likely British) who has drunk deep of the neo-con Kool-Aid:
The European official continued, "A major air strike against Iran could well lead to a rallying around the flag there, but a very careful targeting of terrorist training camps might not." His view, he said, was that "once the Iranians get a bloody nose they rethink things." For example, Ali Akbar Rafsanjani and Ali Larijani, two of Iran's most influential political figures, "might go to the Supreme Leader and say, 'The hard-line policies have got us into this mess. We must change our approach for the sake of the regime.' "
This is rebutted with a quote from an unnamed "former [American] senior intelligence official":
"Do you think those crazies in Tehran are going to say, 'Uncle Sam is here! We'd better stand down'? " the former senior intelligence official said. "The reality is an attack will make things ten times warmer."
War-gaming the Iranian response
The Iranians have missiles. They also have a shadowy world-wide terror network that, from all accounts, is quite competent and deadly. And geography gave Iran a chokepoint that could cut off roughly 20% of the world's oil supplies.
Put all of these together, and you have quite a range of options for the Iranians to take. Let's assume that they would use these on an escalating scale, with proportionate responses by the U.S.
The very first thing the Iranians would do is bomb the MEK camps in Iraq. This would be on a "tit-for-tat" level and they could make a good case before the world for doing so. The MEK ("Mujahedeen-e-Khalq") is an Iranian dissident group who have been trying to overthrow the government of Iran for quite some time now. They used to operate out of Saddam's Iraq, in cross-border raids into Iran. When we invaded, we kind of institutionalized a stalemate with them -- we accepted their surrender, told them we would protect the safety of their camps, but we allowed them to stay. The only problem is, they're a terrorist group. Which we're protecting with the American military.
You can easily see the parallels with what we would be claiming Iran is doing -- supporting outlaw groups from within their own territory who cross the border and perform terrorist actions. Which is why they would be target number one for Iranian retaliation if we used the "hot pursuit" rationale. Iran would loudly proclaim American hypocrisy and attempt to convince the world of the justification of their actions. They might even succeed in doing so.
If America kept attacking Iran, the options get much grimmer much quicker. Iranian missiles may start targeting the Green Zone in Baghdad with a passion. They may start targeting those sprawling US bases out in the desert in Iraq. Remember the Kuwaiti war with Saddam? America kept saying "oh, we've taken care of all of Saddam's missiles" while the SCUDs kept raining down, proving us wrong. Imagine that scenario coming from Iran.
Iran may also unleash the terrorists it sponsors. Hezbollah, in particular, may begin spectacular terrorist attacks within Europe. They could even conceivably (unlike Bush's bugaboo "Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia") successfully attack the United States mainland. So not only are missiles raining down on the Green Zone, but shopping malls and train stations and power plants are getting blown up all over Europe and the United States, or (failing to reach America) U.S. Embassies worldwide.
But these nightmare scenarios aren't the worst weapon. Iran's real leverage comes from sitting on top of the Straits of Hormuz (some use the singular Strait of Hormuz). Check out a map of it on Wikipedia, and notice that Iran surrounds this tight bottleneck on three sides. Twenty percent of the world's oil moves through these straits every day, on supertankers. Imagine Iranian mines, torpedoes and missiles taking out oil tankers here. They'd really just have to successfully take out one, or maybe two to prove they could do it whenever they felt like.
What would happen after the first of these successful attacks would be oil trading at astronomical highs: $150 to $200 a barrel. Or roughly two to three times what is has been trading at during the Iraq war. Six to nine dollars a gallon at your local pump.
If this went on for a short period of time, it could cause a devastating recession on the American economy. If it went on for a long period of time, it could cause a worldwide economic depression.
If the American economy crumbles, it's going to be harder and harder to find the money to continue three wars at once. Remember, we essentially outspent the Soviet Union in the arms race. It'd be awfully ironic if it happened to us, since it would be almost impossible to pour the amount of money we have been into the Middle East if our economy was on its knees.
And really, what would the eventual end to the American military escalation of an Iranian war? A military draft here at home, for one thing, since the Army just could not withstand to supply a ground invasion at its current level of soldiers. Or we could escalate bombing on a level not seen since Vietnam -- carpet bombing from B-52s, not "smart" bombs in pinprick raids. Or the Bush White House might even be tempted to test out those nuclear penetrator bombs we've been working on -- to take out "deeply buried Iranian nuclear sites," no doubt.
My point is that the consequences for an Iranian adventure would be severe. In all the arguments swirling around Iran currently inside the Beltway, not enough attention is being paid to the likely outcome of such military action. If you're a neo-con and are arguing that Iran needs to be taken out because they're the world's biggest state sponsor of terrorism, then fine -- make your case. But be sure to realistically address what the costs of such rash action would be for America.
Because last time around, we ignored that part of the equation with "we'll be greeted as liberators" -- and we just can't afford a second mistake of that magnitude.
Chris Weigant blogs at: ChrisWeigant.com
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 11:52:41
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For Dallas. Pay attention - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz1BA7VcUmw
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 11:58:24
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hit them with your rhythm stick
I like to complain |
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