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treetime
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 Posted - 07/24/2007 : 18:44:41
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A while back someone posted a topic about alternative music influences, and I know people always talk about how the Pixies influenced Nirvana. Being from the Northwest, and a teenager in the early nineties, Nirvana music really awakened me to stuff beyond junk food and sports. I didn't catch on to the Pixies until a few years after listening to Nirvana. The Pixies and Frank Black are 2 of my favorite bands but I am not sure if I would have ever heard of them in high school if it were not for Nirvana.
Any thoughts on connections between Charles and Kurt, personal or objectively. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 06:12:30
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so this isn't about Kurt Hoffman?
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treetime
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 09:53:05
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| "I don't care what you think unless it is about me" Kurt Cobain. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 12:19:29
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i think kurt vonnegut was a good one.
ideas for any other great kurts ?
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 12:42:53
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| The Pictures thread in the Pixies section has some compelling photographic evidence. |
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sweetpollypurebred
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 13:16:52
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I also became a pixies frank black fan because of nirvana
and kurt talking about them.
i see most people on this forum are quick to make a joke of the nirvana pixies connection, i guess they somehow think its not cool mention them both together. i for one was very moved by nirvana's music but i was completely blown away by frank black and then the pixies,
the first album i heard by him was teenager of the year, then i bought every album since then, i also bought all the pixies.
i was fortunate enough to see nirvana in lakeland florida with the breeders, frank black twice in st. petersburg florida, and saw the pixies in tampa florida
but like you said i am not sure i would have ever heard frank or the pixies if is was not for kurt talking about them. |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 17:20:33
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I think it's more that most people in this forum are bored/annoyed with every single one of the thousands of articles written about the Pixes and Frank Black bringing up Kurt Cobain or Nirvana within the first 3 sentences of the article, as if we won;t keep reading unless we're told (yet again) about how they influenced the mighty Nirvana. It's just tired, that's all.
It's wonderful when bands and artists can expose you to new things, and Kurt Cobain did try to do that on many occasions by wearing shirts of his favorite bands (Melvins, Mudhoney come to mind) when he played TV spots, etc.
So when you go to read an article about your favorite band, and they bring up Nirvana yet again, as if they've made some incredible discovery...well, you get the idea.
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Helmut
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 18:46:44
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| Pixies released two seminal/ground breaking albums. Nirvana released one, copied and popularised the Pixies formula on it, and their timing was better and they were more photogenic. That's where the similarities end. Frank made the wise choice to keep churning out good music, reform his old band while the bass player was still able to function, and reinvent himself again as Black Francis and write his best music in years. Kurt took the easy way out and his output is forever relegated to a few years in the early nineties. |
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frankoholic
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 23:15:51
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Cobain used a phrase from a Neil Young song in his last note. Why don't anybody say about Neil Young 'Hey, isn't that the guy Cobain used a phrase from in his last note?'?
According to the legend Kurt went all red when asked by his manager to meet Black Francis and muttered 'I..I couldn't'. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 07/26/2007 : 00:22:19
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Originally posted by Helmut
Kurt took the easy way out and his output is forever relegated to a few years in the early nineties.
boy, i don't think suicide is an "easy way out". not at all.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 07/26/2007 : 01:48:13
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For all it's worth I was pushed to Pixies' music by a book of Nirvana written by that Rolling Stone guy. Micheal something...So yeah, Nirvana was important to me, but I hardly listen to those records.
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sweetpollypurebred
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Posted - 07/26/2007 : 06:44:16
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| i agree i also get tired of almost every story about the pixies refer to the nirvana thing, and although i heard nirvana first the pixies and foremost frank black is by far my favorite music of all time and i listen to pixies f.b. records regularly and i can't remember the last time i listened to a nirvana records, i still think kurt and nirvana were among the most talented of our time, i think dave grohl is in his own right one of the best, not just foo fighters but the probot cd was great. |
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Carl
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Posted - 07/26/2007 : 09:51:29
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Who's Nirvana again?
"I hate how the reptile dreams it's a mammal. Scaley monster: be what you are!!" - Erebus. |
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treetime
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/26/2007 : 10:23:41
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/26/2007 : 10:36:36
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Originally posted by billgoodman
For all it's worth I was pushed to Pixies' music by a book of Nirvana written by that Rolling Stone guy. Micheal something...So yeah, Nirvana was important to me, but I hardly listen to those records.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Same here. I first picked up Bossanova after reading that book.
-Tom
...well that's the deal, turn your prayer wheel. |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2007 : 15:37:24
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Originally posted by sweetpollypurebred
i agree i also get tired of almost every story about the pixies refer to the nirvana thing, and although i heard nirvana first the pixies and foremost frank black is by far my favorite music of all time and i listen to pixies f.b. records regularly and i can't remember the last time i listened to a nirvana records, i still think kurt and nirvana were among the most talented of our time, i think dave grohl is in his own right one of the best, not just foo fighters but the probot cd was great.
Dave Grohl went to my high school for a year. Of course he's one of the best!
I guess if these articles turn new people on to Pixies and FB, then maybe we shouldn't make quick jokes about them. It just seems slightly insulting, especially now that Pixies have had a hugely successful set of reunion tours - I'm pretty sure anyone interested in this genre of music has heard of them by now.
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wolperdevelop
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USA
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Posted - 07/27/2007 : 02:48:58
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Personally, I think it's amazing how "viral" music can be. Figuring out the influences of favorites is the best way to find new favorites. Although I confess I do feel ANCIENT when I hear of all the people who discovered the Pixies via Nirvana.
So, for all the young 'uns out there, the derision is probably part of us "gen xers" being dyspeptic and bitter.
Time to tell the neighbor kids to turn their damn Fall Out Boy down, so I can peacefully listen to Black Flag on my Victrola.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/27/2007 : 09:09:07
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This is amusing:
Creative Loafing Atlanta - The most overrated albums (part I).
Nirvana – Nevermind
This has become the sound of 99X or any “alternative” radio station out there.
It’s responsible for spawning some of the most heinous bands ever (i.e.,
Nickelback, Puddle of Mudd, the Vines). Critics say it’s great, because it
brought the underground to mainstream audiences. No, it didn’t. What it did do
was bring a watered-down, derivative parody of underground music to the
mainstream. In other words, they threw the Pixies, Mudhoney, and the Wipers
into a blender and filtered it through Butch Vig’s cheesed-out, pop-metal
production. Now it’s considered the album that saved rock or something. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2007 : 11:07:47
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Hey, yah! The Pixies saved Rock'N'Roll.
(It's personally true enough) |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 07/27/2007 : 14:43:47
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my 5 cents:
kurt cobain was a very good rock-songwriter. the 3 people that formed nirvana were very good, creative and talented musicians, and supplemented each other very well. just like police, dinosaur jr., pixies, 70ies pink floyd and some more.
thats it for me.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 07/28/2007 : 19:48:24
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another one of my all time favorites next to Frank is Dexter Romweber
Dex headed up the Flat Duo Jets - which was just him and a drummer (Crow). and Crow is no longer with him - but he still plays mainly just him and a drummer
Well some time ago (within a year or two) Jack White happened to mention that Dex was a big influence on him
now it seems I can not read a single thing about Dex without that being mentioned. it's become a permanent fixter to his name. "Dex Romweber.....who Jack White once mentioned as an influence....da da da" and over and over and over again
I have mixed feelings about it - because anything that gets Dex some extra attention - GREAT!!! but at the same time it's like "come ON ALLREADY!!!"
Dex was doing the White Stripes thing when Jack was just a boy wearing short pants
I showed my gal some old Dex film tonight and immediately she drew the comparison to White Stripes - but she had it all backwards - she thought Dex was copying them!!
anyways it's not the Kurt thing that annoys me with Frank the most. Though it is up there to be sure. It's a close second. The thing that annoys me the most is the obligatory "and Kim Deal....who went on to even GREATER success with the Breeders!!! with their smash hit Cannonball!!...da da da"
I mean come on allready!! Cannonball??!! Okay I'll admit it had a very catchy hook. That baseline is really infectious. But I need to hear Cannonball right now about as much as I need to hear Monkey Gone To Heaven. All Frank did after the Pixies broke up was churn out incredible tune after tune after tune - and album after album after album...just snaking along writing one opus after another.....Wizard of Oz followed by The Godfather
but sorry Frank ... you didn't write Cannonball...guess you just didn't measure up some how
oooooweeeeeeeeeeoh ooooooooweeeeeeooooooooo love you Coo Coo Cannonball!!!
yeah I can see how that could dwarf 10 years of consistent solid songwriting
but anyways that's just me - i guess I've had a rum and coke or two so maybe I'm a little chippy tonight. Coastline - where are you? - back me up!! |
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 07/28/2007 : 20:22:25
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a follow up -
I'm happy that Dex drew some attention from Jack's comment and I'm also glad that Kurt's comment drew attention to FRANK
it does sort of floor me how much attention an artist can get when a big-time record seller mentions someone's name.
Another guy that got a lot of attention from Kurt was Daniel Johnston. Kurt happened to wear one of his t-shirts once...or twice...or thrice...and on the cover of Rolling Stone....and apparently that just drew all kinds of attention to Daniel
from what I gather from the movie about Daniel was that just set off a feeding frenzy of people trying to find out who he was and then trying to get him signed. and so the Pixies and Frank and Daniel owe Kurt a big thanks for shining a spotlight on them
it may be a minor annoyance for me to have to hear Kurt referenced EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ ABOUT FRANK!! but - it was the shout out that was heard around the world you know?? so ..... great!!!
I doubt Frank or Daniel are bothered by such trivialities
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2007 : 20:38:42
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Yeah, it's annoying ... but at the same time, Frank's just gonna keep putting out this good music, and we get to enjoy it. Who cares what these writers are saying? A couple decades from now, when his career is over, they'll suddenly realize what an amazing and influential solo artist he was, and they'll say his work on "Bluefinger" or with Schwarma was the big influence on [insert wildly popular artist of 2026 here]. It just doesn't matter. Enjoy the music.
 There's a perfect explanation for the shit that I've been in. As soon as I find out, I'll let you know. |
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 07/28/2007 : 20:41:17
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oh I'm enjoying it bro - BIG TIME!!
shamalama ding dang - oh me oh my!!! |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 23:19:03
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Originally posted by coastline
Yeah, it's annoying ... but at the same time, Frank's just gonna keep putting out this good music, and we get to enjoy it. Who cares what these writers are saying? A couple decades from now, when his career is over, they'll suddenly realize what an amazing and influential solo artist he was, and they'll say his work on "Bluefinger" or with Schwarma was the big influence on [insert wildly popular artist of 2026 here]. It just doesn't matter. Enjoy the music.
There's a perfect explanation for the shit that I've been in. As soon as I find out, I'll let you know.
I don't think most care much, we just roll our eyes and move on to the rest of the article looking for something new and different.
I was just 'splaining why we're quick to make a joke. It's not to jump on a new forum member so much as a knee jerk reaction at this point. I'm glad that so many have pointed out that were it not for Kurt, they would have never gotten into Frank (not until Fight Club anyways ;)
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debaserrr
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 10:27:03
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i dont even think Nirvana is on the same league as Pixies, yea i mean kurt liked them and there both rock and roll bands but, Pixies have way more substance than a nirvana song. In my oppinion
boom chicka boom
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treetime
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USA
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 10:41:42
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debaserrr
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 18:55:45
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well i like cLOUDDEAD just as much... but there different
boom chicka boom
"The arc of triumph!" |
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langdonboom
= Cult of Ray =
USA
260 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2007 : 21:12:54
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Originally posted by treetime
I wonder if anyone in this forum thinks there is anyone in the Pixies League?
The Beatles are always in a league of their own. So at least there's that. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 06:02:05
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treetime
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USA
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 16:58:29
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| I have yet to see it. It is now on my to buy list. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 02:01:22
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I don't know anywhere around here that'll be showing it, but I'm intrigued, I'll seek it out somewhere. I've heard it would have been better as a CD but I'm thinking I can wear my sunglasses and just relax in the cinema while listening to Kurt. Eery!
Talking of Kurt:
When Pitchfork i-rock savior, Frank Black, visited Grimey's Record Shop in Nashville, Kurt learned that they both share a love of Jim Nabors. And you thought they were only song lyrics. Bah!
http://www.sitemason.com/newspub/iLGT0A?id=36402
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mikaelp75
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 00:40:31
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| Beautiful as well as cosmic maaan; yesterday I listened to the Frank '01 & Lambchop '02 P3 Live radio shows from KB Malmö back to back. Dog Gone vs the Daily Growl. |
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debaserrr
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 20:03:36
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frank black makes me horny...not cause i like him or anyting- well i do like him hes frank black! just not like "im horny for frank" but just in general wiat...oh god
"The arc of triumph!" |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 22:04:28
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I bet the guy above with the Jim Nabors record gets horny when he thinks of Frank too.
There's a perfect explanation for the shit that I've been in. As soon as I find out, I'll let you know. |
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treetime
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USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 10:55:11
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| Back to Nirvana and Kurt, I don't think there can be a thread about Nirvana's influence without mentioning Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden. So there, I mentioned them. |
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