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 Posted - 08/11/2007 : 11:58:01
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for a couple of years? so you were wrong for 2 whole years? if there was a depression not now but in another 2 years, would you still be right? how long would have to pass before you decide you were wrong?
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:36:19
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Give me a break. Now you are just fucking with me Steveo.
The point is I as well as many others believe there may be a serious depression looming. That doesn't mean it will happen today, tomorrow, next week.
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Dallas
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Look KOK picks up the pace of his posts everytime he gets slammed and can't respond. He can't respond to the simplest aspects of a massive coverup. Like, oh how do you get thousands of people to kill their fellow citizens and not have even 1 talk or opt out? He is so far into his fantasy that he cannot see the forest for the trees.
The post I repeated puts his inane posts into correct context. Only a gullible fool would fall for this stuff. It has been around for ages. The same stuff, the Masons, the Rothschilds, Rockefellers its a joke. THis is a dim-bulb litmus test. This guy believes that GWB isn't going anywhere in Jan 2008. He will be dictator. That is how unhinged a person we are dealing with. So, as long as this type of repitition is tolerated (where is the mod who chastised Tiven for dare mentioning his upcoming projects in the wrong thread??? In 1 post. Not a bunch of spam. Is this too politically correct/sensitive to engage in or does this forum now host blogs??) I may as well provide some context lest 1 more person fall victim to these inane fantasies. So far as I can tell, the nutjob corp is still an ARMY OF 1.
So this forum has one person who has such a complete lack of historical knowledge and perspective, that he has fallen hook line and sinker for conspiracies that literally go back to the 30's. The gift of the internet. |
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Dallas
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[edit] Testing the validity of conspiracy theories
Perhaps the most contentious aspect of a conspiracy theory is the problem of settling a particular theory's truth to the satisfaction of both its proponents and its opponents. Particular accusations of conspiracy vary widely in their plausibility, but some common standards for assessing their likely truth value may be applied in each case:
Occam's razor - is the alternative story more, or less, probable than the mainstream story?
Methodology - are the "proofs" offered for the argument well constructed, i.e., using sound methodology? Is there any clear standard to determine what evidence would prove or disprove the theory?
Whistleblowers - how many people—and what kind—have to be loyal conspirators?
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Dallas
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 15:23:00
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Psychological origins
According to some psychologists, a person who believes in one conspiracy theory is often a believer in other conspiracy theories and conversely for a person who does not believe in one conspiracy theory there is a lower probability that he or she will believe in another one.[15] This may be attributable to differences in the information upon which parties rely in formulating their conclusions. Thus, a person who believes in a particular conspiracy theory may do so because of awareness of information, such as that a certain political leader was a member of an enigmatic secret society, of which some who disbelieve the conspiracy theory may not be aware. In turn, awareness of such information may be correlated with awareness of other information which increases the likelihood that one will believe in other conspiracy theories. Conversely, the lack of awareness of such information may be correlated with the lack of awareness of other information which decreases the likelihood that one will believe in other conspiracy theories.[citation needed]
Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness features largely in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories. That desire alone may be powerful enough to lead to the initial formulation of the idea[citation needed]. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief. In a context where a conspiracy theory has become popular within a social group, communal reinforcement may equally play a part.
Some research recently carried out at the University of Kent, UK suggests that people may actually be influenced by conspiracy theories without being aware that their attitudes have changed. After reading popular conspiracy theories about the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, participants in this study correctly estimated how much their peers' attitudes had changed, but significantly underestimated how much their own attitudes had changed to become more in favour of the conspiracy theories. The authors conclude that conspiracy theories may therefore have a 'hidden power' to influence people's beliefs.[16]
Evolutionary psychology may also play a significant role. Paranoid tendencies are associated with an animal's ability to recognize danger[citation needed]. Higher animals attempt to construct mental models of the thought processes of both rivals and predators in order to read their hidden intentions and to predict their future behavior. Such an ability is extremely valuable in sensing and avoiding danger in an animal community. If this danger-sensing ability should begin making false predictions, or be triggered by benign evidence, or otherwise become pathological, the result is paranoid delusions.
[edit] Projection
Some historians have pointed out the element of psychological projection in conspiracism; that is, the attribution to the supposed "conspirators" of undesirable characteristics of the self. Richard Hofstadter, in his essay The Paranoid Style in American Politics, stated that:
...it is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship... the Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to the point of donning priestly vestments, developing an elaborate ritual and an equally elaborate hierarchy. The John Birch Society emulates Communist cells and quasi-secret operation through "front" groups, and preaches a ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along lines very similar to those it finds in the Communist enemy. Spokesmen of the various fundamentalist anti-Communist "crusades" openly express their admiration for the dedication and discipline the Communist cause calls forth.
Hofstadter also noted that "sexual freedom" is a vice frequently attributed to the conspiracist's target group, noting that "very often the fantasies of true believers reveal strong sadomasochistic outlets, vividly expressed, for example, in the delight of anti-Masons with the cruelty of Masonic punishments."[17]
[edit] Epistemic bias?
It is possible that certain basic human epistemic biases are projected onto the material under scrutiny. According to one study humans apply a 'rule of thumb' by which we expect a significant event to have a significant cause.[18] The study offered subjects four versions of events, in which a foreign president was (a) successfully assassinated, (b) wounded but survived, (c) survived with wounds but died of a heart attack at a later date, and (d) was unharmed. Subjects were significantly more likely to suspect conspiracy in the case of the 'major events'—in which the president died—than in the other cases, despite all other evidence available to them being equal.
Another epistemic 'rule of thumb' that can be misapplied to a mystery involving other humans is cui bono? (who stands to gain?). This sensitivity to the hidden motives of other people might be either an evolved or an encultured feature of human consciousness, but either way it appears to be universal. If the inquirer lacks access to the relevant facts of the case, or if there are structural interests rather than personal motives involved, this method of inquiry will tend to produce a falsely conspiratorial account of an impersonal event[citation needed]. The direct corollary of this epistemic bias in pre-scientific cultures is the tendency to imagine the world in terms of animism. Inanimate objects or substances of significance to humans are fetishised and supposed to harbor benign or malignant spirits.
[edit] Clinical psychology
For relatively rare individuals, an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome.[19]
[edit] Socio-political origins
Christopher Hitchens represents conspiracy theories as the 'exhaust fumes of democracy', the unavoidable result of a large amount of information circulating among a large number of people. Other social commentators and sociologists argue that conspiracy theories are produced according to variables that may change within a democratic (or other type of) society.
Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer. The believer may then feel excused of any moral or political responsibility for remedying whatever institutional or societal flaw might be the actual source of the dissonance.[20]
Where responsible behavior is prevented by social conditions, or is simply beyond the ability of an individual, the conspiracy theory facilitates the emotional discharge or closure that such emotional challenges (after Erving Goffman)[citation needed] require. Like moral panics, conspiracy theories thus occur more frequently within communities that are experiencing social isolation or political dis-empowerment.
Mark Fenster argues that "just because overarching conspiracy theories are wrong does not mean they are not on to something. Specifically, they ideologically address real structural inequities, and constitute a response to a withering civil society and the concentration of the ownership of the means of production, which together leave the political subject without the ability to be recognized or to signify in the public realm" (1999: 67).
For example, the contemporary form of anti-Semitism is identified in Britannica 1911 as a conspiracy theory serving the self-understanding of the European aristocracy, whose social power waned with the rise of bourgeois society.[21]
Throughout history, antisemitism is prominent in conspiracy theories. According to Kenneth S. Stern,
"Historically, Jews have not fared well around conspiracy theories. Such ideas fuel anti-Semitism. The myths that Jews killed Christ, or poisoned wells, or killed Christian children to bake matzo, or "made up" the Holocaust, or plot to control the world, do not succeed each other; rather, the list of anti-Semitic canards gets longer. The militia movement today believes in the conspiracy theory of the Protocols, even if some call it something else and never mention Jews. From the perspective of history, we know that this is the type of climate in which anti-Semitism can grow."[22]
[edit] Disillusionment
In the late 20th century, falling election participation and declines in other key metrics of social engagement were noted by several observers. For a prominent example, see Robert D. Putnam's Bowling Alone thesis. Those who were most influenced by this period, the so-called "Generation X," are characterized by their cynicism towards traditional institutions and authorities, offering a case example of the context of political dis-empowerment detailed above.
In that context, a typical individual will tend to be more isolated from the kinds of peer networks that grant access to broad sources of information, and may instinctively distrust any statement or claim made by certain people, media, and other authority-bearing institutions. For some individuals, the consequence may be a tendency to attribute anything bad that happens to the distrusted authority. For example, some people attribute the September 11, 2001 attacks to a conspiracy involving the U.S. government (or disfavored politicians) instead of or along with Islamic terrorists associated with Al-Qaeda (see 9/11 conspiracy theories.) Such charges may also be colored with political motivation. Similar charges (in some circles) were made that the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration was in some way culpable for the Attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.
[edit] The "Rationality Theorem"
Another criticism of conspiracy theories is that they rely on a certain worldview which may or may not be correct. Graham Allison, a political scientist, developed this argument in his book, Essence of Decision, and informally named it the "rationality theorem".
Basically, Allison argued:
Many theories - including conspiracy theories - rely on the assumption of rational expectations. Under this assumption, events and decisions are explained by the rational responses of groups and individuals.
However, Allison pointed out that groups and individuals do not always act in a rational manner.
Allison argued that by using rationalistic thinking, individuals automatically take a "black box" approach to problems, meaning that they concentrate on data that was available and the results, but failed to consider other factors, such as bureaucracy, misunderstandings, disagreements, etc.
Finally, Allison argued that rationalistic thinking in general violates the scientific law of falsifiability, as according to the rationality theorem, there exists no event or groups of events that cannot be explained in a rational and purposeful manner.
Although Allison primarily studied the Cuban Missile Crisis, in Essence, he illustrated the rationality theorem by making reference to the Attack on Pearl Harbor, specifically the theory that U.S. decisionmakers must have purposefully allowed the attack to be pulled off.
Allison argued that, for this specific conspiracy theory to hold, analysts must first make the assumption that officials act in a rational manner, and that these officials had full access to all information that indicated the attack was imminent.
However, by examining additional internal evidence, Allison argued that while, from a black-box perspective, the U.S. had enough evidence of the Pearl Harbor attack, a combination of bureaucracy and misunderstandings was the real reason why the attack succeeded. For example, Allison noted that evidence of the upcoming attack was scattered among different governmental departments, and was not immediately combined to create an entire picture. Likewise, some decisionmakers misinterpreted the data at hand - on December 7, 1941, the base at Pearl Harbor actually was on alert, but the alert was for possible Japanese sabotage, not an all-out aerial attack.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 17:21:55
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notes i wrote up from a new scientist article on conspiracy theories.
people who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in others (i.e. good chance that if you think the moon landings were faked, you think JFK killed by second gunman)
beliefs in JFK conspiracies highest among people aged 36 and over
those between 20 and 25 are most likely to see conspiracy behind 9/11
below 19, least likely to endorse any theory
could have something to do with "flashbulb memory" - sudden events that are shocking and international in scale which affect individuals on a personal level. they are more easily formed in between 20 and 35.
African and hispanic americans most likely to hold beliefs in conspiracies.
similar findings in UK, as well as an association between income and beliefs. people who describe themselves as "hard up" more likely to believe conspiracy theories. theorists tend to show a higher level of anomie
one study has shown a way of thinking called "major event - major cause" reasoning. people often assume that events with substantial, significant or wide ranging consequences must have been caused by something substantial, significant or wide ranging.
volunteers were given a newspaper story of an assassination attempt on a fictitious president. those who were given a version where the president dies were significantly more likely to attribute the event to a conspiracy than those who were given a version where he survived, even though all other details were the same.
mundane explanations, (e.g a single, mentally unstable gunman), gives us the impression of a chaotic and unpredictable relationship between cause and effect, and that makes us feel uncomfortable. conspiracy theories can allow us to believe we live in a predictable world.
people will give more attention to information that fits their existing beliefs, "confirmation bias". a study, once again using fictional accounts of an assassination attempt, also showed that new information that was neutral or ambiguous was interpreted in favour of whatever the reader believed in.
as well as all that there are some shocking stats showing over 20% of african americans believe HIV was created in a laboratory and disseminated by the US gov. to restrict the growth of black population. many are sceptical that condoms actually prevent transmission.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 18:36:32
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So, the steel beams were cut using Thermate then?
I don't care to read this psycho babble about why people choose to believe conspiracy theories. This is a tactic used to discredit anyone that dares to ask questions about our government. You've been taught to treat these theories as "nuts" so that's what you do. To the point where you won't even look at them. You are a good citizen.
You are a slave.
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Posted - 08/12/2007 : 08:23:51
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How is it that one can be a frank black fan, ( which reqires a bit more brain power than the average puddle of mud fan,)
and be dumb enough to be spouting the bush derangment syndrome talking points of 911 is an inside job?
I guess you would say that steel on the bridge Milwaukee cannot crush concrete and must have been blown up by halliburton?
I would suggest you look into the bigfoot mystery a bit further for the odds of that being true are way better ........
so Until you find him, STFU and please do not sully the great name of the living legend MR Frank Black
with your politico nonsense
The latest happenings with in the 9/11 truth movement will be posted here.
9/11 HERO AND SURVIVOR
WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ LIVE IN LOS ANGELES!
THE LAST MAN OUT WORLD TOUR
7PM - FRIDAY AUGUST 17, 2007
Immanuel Presbyterian Church 3300 Wilshire Blvd. Los Angeles 90010
Special guest appearance by actor ED ASNER!
Also scheduled to appear is Peace Mom
(and Nancy Pelosi’s worst nightmare) CINDY SHEEHAN,
who is calling for a new investigation of 9/11.
Both Ed and Cindy invite you to help them
pay tribute to a true American Hero.
For One Night Only!
September 11th survivor and the last man out of the World Trade Center,
William Rodriguez, will share his harrowing story of courage, strength and hope.
A TRUE HERO ON 9/11 AND BEYOND
Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors. His testimony, which was omitted from the 9/11 Commission, absolutely destroys the government’s official story because it means that explosives must have been placed in the buildings. Several eyewitnesses who were on the scene also claim they heard multiple explosions before the buildings collapsed.
At great risk to his own life, William re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, he then spent the rest of the day aiding as a volunteer in the rescue efforts, and at dawn the following morning, was back continuing his heroic efforts.
FIGHTING FOR IMMIGRANT RIGHTS
In addition to being a spokesperson for the New York City first responders (leading the cause for compensation issues and rights) William is also active in the movement for immigrant rights. When he sensed that Latino survivors and relatives of victims of the attacks were not receiving adequate attention from support groups or relief programs because of cultural and linguistic gaps, he helped form a splinter group just for them. He was a major force behind the campaign to encourage non-documented immigrant survivors and relatives of victims to come forward for help without fear of deportation. The group also raised funds for scholarships for children of immigrants killed or maimed in the attacks.
SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER
William believes that now is the time for all people to stand up and speak the truth, even if it can be a scary endeavor. In addition to testifying in front of the 9/11 Commission, he is also the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 people at the WTC.
Please consider joining us as William Rodriguez tells his story live Friday August 17, 2007 at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church located at 3300 Wilshire Blvd in Los Angeles. There will be a donation request of $10 per person. The program begins at 7pm. To view the trailer from William’s new film The Last Man Out visit http://youtube.com/watch?v=0DEUzuzqSLQ
For media inquiries or for more information on the program call Good Karma PR at 805-653-1588 or emailGoodKarma@GoodKarmaPR.com
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/12/2007 : 11:01:56
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Another fool joins the forum? Nah, I think perhaps someone has gone covert on my ass.
How would a "noob" know about my Sasquatch studies?
Review the materials before you start spouting your oral flatulence.
Until then...
Welcome slave!
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Posted - 08/12/2007 : 11:23:12
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jumping to conclusions like that doesn't help you case much KoK.
wwgt has 19 posts and has been a member for 10 months.
and even a noob can click on your name to view your profile...
hobbies: sasquatchin
quote: aboout sasquatch
not long ago your pic was of a sasquatch.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/12/2007 : 11:33:55
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I've provided everything necessary for helping the case. If they refuse to look at it there's not much I can do about it.
Ten months huh? So, another Frank Blank fan lurker from Texas like "Dallas"? What the hell is going on down there?
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Posted - 08/12/2007 : 21:03:08
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American Genocide In The Middle East: Three Million and Counting
LINKS IN ARTICLE: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/08/3059/
by David Goodner
Deaths directly and indirectly attributable to the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq have neared one million people, a body count higher than the genocides in Rwanda and Sudan combined, according to a new report released by Just Foreign Policy.
That brings the U.S. caused death count in the Middle East to over three million people, and that’s not even counting fatalities in Afghanistan or Palestine.
The Just Foreign Policy report is an update to two controversial studies published by the prestigious British medical journal the Lancet. In 2003, the Lancet reported over 100,000 excess deaths in Iraq were attributal to the U.S. invasion. That study may be read here.
In 2006, the Lancet updated their study and found over 600,000 excess deaths in Iraq since the U.S. invasion. That study may be read here.
The killing of Iraqis since the U.S. invasion includes violence caused by the overwhelming air and ground power of U.S. military forces, mortalities caused by the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and disappearances and murders caused by sectarian conflict and internal power struggles among different Iraqi factions.
The report’s methodology is controversial because it bypasses the normal model of death verification - which requires documenting each and every individual body tallied by governments, hospitals, and morgues - and instead uses a model first developed to estimate deaths caused by earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and other natural disasters, where bodies are often never found.
Many defenders of the occupation of Iraq claim that a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq would spark a genocide as sectarian conflict and civil war escalated out of control. Indeed, violence may increase temporarily in the short term following a U.S. withdrawal. Nature abhors a vacum and competition among Iraqi factions for power may increase as they rush to fill the void.
However, what is clear is that the U.S. invasion and continuing occupation of Iraq in and of itself constitutes a kind of genocide. American economic sanctions against Iraq in the 1990s killed one million civilians, according to a 2003 study by the Centre for Population Studies. And the U.S. funded both sides of the Iran/Iraq war in the 1980’s, contributing to well over one million Arab and Persian casualties, according to Farhang Rajaee in a 1993 article published by the University of Florida titled The Iran-Iraq war: the politics of aggression.
Now an additional 996,836 Iraqis have been killed since the U.S. invasion in 2003. The instability and sectarian conflict were stoked by this unilateral, preemptive, and illegal invasion, and there is little hope of the internal conflict ending while Iraq is under foreign military occupation.
This situation is historically similar to the colonial period, where infighting between African and other indigenous tribes around the globe increased because of the havoc wreaked by colonial powers and their divide-and-conqueor strategies.
Indeed, the seeds of conflict and disputes between ethnic groups, e.g. in Rwanda, were planted by Western colonialism. People of color around the world reap what we sow.
The immediate future of Iraq looks grim, with solutions ranging from bad to worse. Our only hope of ending the senseless violence is an unconditional and immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, followed by some kind of responsible assistance by the U.N. and Arab peacekeeping forces.
If the Iraqis have to go to civil war to sort out the mess that our government has left them in, let them. It will eventually burn itself out like in Lebanon and, without any further interference from the West besides reconstruction and reparations, the Iraqis will be able to begin rebuilding their devastated country.
David Goodner is senior at the University of Iowa majoring in international studies and human rights.
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I have just posted more than enough evidence(in the form of short attention retaining clips) that proves with out any doubt that Dallas is a brainwashed, blowhard, fool.
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quote:
Clown Boy writes - So, as long as this type of repitition is tolerated (where is the mod who chastised Tiven for dare mentioning his upcoming projects in the wrong thread??? In 1 post. Not a bunch of spam. Is this too politically correct/sensitive to engage in or does this forum now host blogs??) I may as well provide some context lest 1 more person fall victim to these inane fantasies. So far as I can tell, the nutjob corp is still an ARMY OF 1.
Intelligent forum members write - "KoK, I got your back. Even if one were to believe this type of discussion/examination is at best looney tunes and at worst tantamount to treason, it is absolutely necessary. We cannot accept at face value all that is presented to us. I have watched Loose Change (2nd Edition) and was stunned by it. Please keep this thread going, I plan to watch the other docs you've posted as soon as I can, and I check here frequently for your updates.
Tre, I don't know what you're on about. Frankly I think you're a bit power mad and I'm no longer going to shy away from expressing it. KoK is not spamming the board with posts, he created a thread about a subject he feels is important and updates the thread with on topic and relevant discussion points. People who feel the thread is unreadable/unworthy are free to not click on it."
"honestly, i saw the loose change video awhile back and found it interesting, but i wasn't ready to believe something other than the official story.
i watched (so far) most of the 911 mysteries video and find it very convincing. all of these other things that bush has put into place to give him more power make it all the more convincing.
but still, i'm not quite ready to be a card carrying member of a fringe group.
out of laziness i'm not going to look back and see where this came from, but i thought this idea was really interesting:
"since when do the people put so much trust and faith in the government?"
it's not ridiculous to question the goverment and its intentions."
"keep it up KOK. when i get the time i too will watch the vids. latley i've been the drop in read for ten minutes make a coup0le stupid posts and then leave. i don't have a lot of time at the moment but when i can free up a couple hours to do some research i'll come looking for this thread, thanks."
"I've been thinking about this stuff recently...
What KOK is suggesting is that 9/11 was an inside job, designed to heighten power, or at least, to channel it toward specific people and entities.
Hegelian philosophy talks about thesis, antithesis, synthesis (also known as action-reaction-solution). The concept is that Bush and others have an end solution in mind and 'create' the action to which the people react and makes the solution seem reasonable. Then I see this on CNN online:
Story Highlights <--that's a link
Advisory raises possibility of "pre-attack security probes" at U.S. airports
TSA advises police to be on the lookout after several incidents across country
TSA downplays significance of advisory
Advisory details four cases in which screeners found suspicious items in bags
And I begin to wonder if this is one of many first steps toward a thesis that will have people clamoring for "somebody to pay".
Not sure if I have furthered discussion, but I tried :)"
"Check out a documentary called "Loose Change." That'll fuck your skull a million times over.
Seriously, Google it or something. It starts with an HST voice-over."
"yeah loose change was the first one i watched.
they're making a 3rd edition soon"
"The BBC reporting, in some detail, the collapse of wtc building 7 before it happens. I'm not a conspiracy nut and I'm not sure which theory it would fit anyway, but this clip's inexplicable however you look at it. The building is visible (and still standing)behind the reporter as she's speaking! I thought it was a hoax when I first saw it. The BBC's explaination on their website is pretty lame - doesn't clear things up at all.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc"
And my favorite: "i feel sorry for poor old blind, ignorant dallas."
So, "Spamming the board" huh? These people don't think so. 2400 views for spam huh?I'm not even mentioning the numerous private emails I've recieved in support of my efforts with this thread. Some people don't wan't to expose their support for this theory in a public forum.
Show's over for you brother. Your mud slinging is the equivalent of grade school bullying. You haven't bothered to answer a single one of my questions but you keep showing up and doing your best to discredit my effort by calling names and therefore I've called some back.
So... I ask again. What cut this beam?
I as well as many others, feel it was very likely rogue elements within the military industrial complex.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 01:07:10
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Dallas, I dare you to answer that. If not we'll all know what your about.
The problem for you seems to be that this is so far out there that your brain can't possibly handle it as being true, so you scratch and claw at anyone that tries to shatter the official myth.
You believe a bunch of people in caves successfully hit 75% of their targets in a terrorist attack on the most heavily militarized country on the planet? One of those targets being the most heavily militarized building on the planet? If it went down as they say why all the cover up? Just release some photo's of the plane hittting the pentagon and that would hobble half of this theory.
I have a coworker that was in NORAD. He says there's no way those planes would have flown around for an hour and a half without any action being taken. No way. Why two months before hand were the rules of engagement changed so that NORAD needed approval from Rumsfeld(via Cheney) prior to intercepting? If you believe that is possible for people with minimal flying experience to fly jumbo jets without the use of gauges and successfully find New York let alone the towers I really feel sorry for you. No gauges! How did they know where they were going?
You are an educated man it seems. Intelligent in many ways I would gather. Why can't you fathom this? You are letting your ideals get in the way of your common sense. This was a psychological operation designed to control people on a grand scale. if you plan on taking over the world you better have a way to get the people to okay it. Lie after lie after lie after lie. How many more are you going to excuse?
Love,
The King of Karaoke
I was going to sign that "Love KOK" but... uh? Well, you know.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 06:31:24
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The answer is you are a sad person who lacks meaning in their life.
So you invest yourself in believing in bigfoot. And you believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government. And you believe that feminism is also a conspiracy to enslave women. And you believe that George Bush will be dictator in less than 18 months. Hell you believe that the USS Liberty attack was hidden from the public!! In short, you are a gullible fool.
Go back and count how many times you say "watch the videos!!!" or "I cant help you if you won't watch the videos" etc etc. You see poor ignorant friend, that is because the only place your weak ideas hold up is in that echo chamber. Out here in the bright light of day they can't even pass the smell test. Again, the simplest questions first.
Here is the research you should most be interested in:
"Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness features largely in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories. That desire alone may be powerful enough to lead to the initial formulation of the idea[citation needed]. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief. In a context where a conspiracy theory has become popular within a social group, communal reinforcement may equally play a part."
That is your smoking gun!
Is there even ONE person out there who absolutely believes that 9/11 was an inside job as described here? Again, I could be wrong, but, I didn't think there was anything but pity posts propping up your right to ask foolish questions. But I could be wrong.
Honestly, you are an unserious person trying to be serious. All these conspiracies and you are supporting a Republican in the next election? FIGHT THE POWER!!! Vote Republican!! |
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 07:09:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Dallas
Is there even ONE person out there who absolutely believes that 9/11 was an inside job as described here? Again, I could be wrong, but, I didn't think there was anything but pity posts propping up your right to ask foolish questions. But I could be wrong.
who do you think makes the videos? the "9/11 truth movement" is quite big.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 07:39:10
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mixedbizz
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 08:41:41
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quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
So, another Frank Blank fan lurker from Texas like "Dallas"? What the hell is going on down there?
KoK, I'm from New York City and I think you're full of shit too, if it makes you feel any better.
Seems like you base everything you think on YouTube clips. Maybe you better stick to Bigfoot.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:01:10
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mixedbizz of course you think I'm full of shit. I'd expect nothing less from the very average person from New York City. The government "psy-op" worked best on the people of New York City. I've provided everything you need to either choose to believe this or not believe. If you don't do the research then that's your choice.
When someone first approached me with this I also thought they were full of shit. No offense taken. Take a look at "911Mysteries" when you have the time. It's linked in the video section.
Dallas, you are hopeless. Again you haven't answered anything. Instead you imply my mental wiring might be fried.
All I would like you to do is tell me what cut the beams in the basement.
As far as your thinking my voting republican makes a difference in anything, that just show's me how caught up in the puppet show you are. You want to label me a "liberal" but can't and now you are confused if not frustrated. I don't live in the left/right paradigm brother, you obviously thrive in it. So does Darwin. Everything to you guys is either black or it's white. Exactly the way your slave masters want it. Divide and conquer. You have been programmed and that's why you are enslaved. Your mind is not as free as you think. Your thought's ideas and desires are controlled by men you have never even met.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:07:28
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If you folks don't wake up to where this is coming from you are going to have to endure more of the same.
Should I invest in plastic flags companies in China?
FOX News Supports Stu Bykofsky & Desires Another 9/11 Terrorist Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAoVkD_0sVM
It should come as no surprise that Fox News has come to the support of Stu Bykofsky and his article, which essentially calls for another 9/11 attack in order to justify Bush's policies and unite Americans.
John Gibson....actually says.... “I think it’s going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up.”
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:35:57
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Fascinating
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:43:48
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No one says you have to LURK, oops.. I mean look here. It's not like I'm destroying someone elses thread. If you don't like a topic don't click it.
Me, I don't like the "Cocteau Twins" so guess what? I've never clicked that thread. A few of you are acting like spoiled children. Play nice now. What's the matter anyway? I say something that touched a nerve?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:44:43
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Interesting
Do you remember when we had moderators?
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The King Of Karaoke
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:51:49
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no
Do you remember when we had moderators?
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