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The King Of Karaoke
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 Posted - 07/21/2007 : 13:54:32
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So important it deserves it's own thread.
The latest happenings with in the 9/11 truth movement will be posted here.
9/11 HERO AND SURVIVOR
WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ LIVE IN LOS ANGELES!
THE LAST MAN OUT WORLD TOUR
7PM - FRIDAY AUGUST 17, 2007
Immanuel Presbyterian Church 3300 Wilshire Blvd. Los Angeles 90010
Special guest appearance by actor ED ASNER!
Also scheduled to appear is Peace Mom
(and Nancy Pelosi’s worst nightmare) CINDY SHEEHAN,
who is calling for a new investigation of 9/11.
Both Ed and Cindy invite you to help them
pay tribute to a true American Hero.
For One Night Only!
September 11th survivor and the last man out of the World Trade Center,
William Rodriguez, will share his harrowing story of courage, strength and hope.
A TRUE HERO ON 9/11 AND BEYOND
Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors. His testimony, which was omitted from the 9/11 Commission, absolutely destroys the government’s official story because it means that explosives must have been placed in the buildings. Several eyewitnesses who were on the scene also claim they heard multiple explosions before the buildings collapsed.
At great risk to his own life, William re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, he then spent the rest of the day aiding as a volunteer in the rescue efforts, and at dawn the following morning, was back continuing his heroic efforts.
FIGHTING FOR IMMIGRANT RIGHTS
In addition to being a spokesperson for the New York City first responders (leading the cause for compensation issues and rights) William is also active in the movement for immigrant rights. When he sensed that Latino survivors and relatives of victims of the attacks were not receiving adequate attention from support groups or relief programs because of cultural and linguistic gaps, he helped form a splinter group just for them. He was a major force behind the campaign to encourage non-documented immigrant survivors and relatives of victims to come forward for help without fear of deportation. The group also raised funds for scholarships for children of immigrants killed or maimed in the attacks.
SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER
William believes that now is the time for all people to stand up and speak the truth, even if it can be a scary endeavor. In addition to testifying in front of the 9/11 Commission, he is also the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 people at the WTC.
Please consider joining us as William Rodriguez tells his story live Friday August 17, 2007 at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church located at 3300 Wilshire Blvd in Los Angeles. There will be a donation request of $10 per person. The program begins at 7pm. To view the trailer from William’s new film The Last Man Out visit http://youtube.com/watch?v=0DEUzuzqSLQ
For media inquiries or for more information on the program call Good Karma PR at 805-653-1588 or emailGoodKarma@GoodKarmaPR.com
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The King Of Karaoke
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 14:44:15
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i haven't watched excessive amounts of these conspiracy theory videos, but enough to know there are definitely a few odd circumstances surrounding both 9/11 and 7/7. there's a lot of stuff that i ignore, basically because i'm not sure how reliable a lot of it is, or ambiguous evidence has just been interpreted in a way that confirms already held beliefs.
the fact that there was a military training exercise during the morning of 9/11 (planned well in advance) to deal with and air crisis, planes crashing into government buildings, and an emergency in new york, is quite odd. it created confusion as to what was real and what was not. theorists will also argue that if government operatives were caught red handed, it would provide an easy excuse, i.e. "we're part of the training!".
on the other hand, you have to consider the chances of such a coincidence. theorists think the fact that there were lots of these during the year prior to the attacks is evidence of something dodgy. alternatively, doesn't it just raise the chances of a real attack falling on the same day as an exercise? or perhaps it was the terrorists who, having learned of the scheduled exercise, planned their attack on the same day. after all, it works in favour for them, not just secret government agents. but if that was the case, then why is the 'coincidence' always ignored and never spoken of? that's why i still think it's odd.
on top of that, 7/7 also occurred during a training exercise, one that was preparing for an almost exact same scenario. it just doesn't feel right.
another odd thing about the 9/11 for me, is the phone calls that passengers made. some reports say that the messages they left sounded very unemotional and unusual (e.g. who would introduce themselves to their mum with their full name?). but i can ignore those, just because it's the kind of evidence that can be distorted. it's the very fact they were able to make calls at all that bothers me.
and then there's the obviously faked osama video.
too much else, like the odd way the buildings fell, the impossible flight paths the planes were meant to have made, lack of plane debris... these things i'm not sure how reliable they are. there are so many conflicting reports by scientists.
and the eye witness in the 7/7 conspiracy videos. he sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic - "they were following me everywhere, calling out my name, laughing at me behind my back."
yeah, cos you're weird.
so, yeah. i don't know what conclusions to make. there are certainly some things to think about.
edit: it's obvious 7/7 was staged on that specific date so that americans could adopt "7/7" without any confusion over month/date or date/month :)
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 14:57:17
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i just remebered this. i haven't actually read any of it yet, just bigging up a philosophy lecturer at my uni. gonna give it a read..
note: it appears he is just giving ways to think about theories critically, rather than being a conspiracy fanatic.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 17:44:49
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I've seen that Youtube piece. If you would watch "911 Mysteries" you would see that what they are pushing as the explanation in Popular Mechanics doesn't make any sense.
Okay todays post - This is "911 Blogger" I invite you to peruse this site and search for answers of your own. http://911blogger.com/dailynews
Here's something I just pulled off of there that we all should be aware of. If this goes down again and we go chasing some new Boogeyman I'm going to turn into the Hulk and destroy your homes, villages and crops.
White House preparing to stage new September 11 - Reagan official
20/07/2007 13:58 WASHINGTON, July 20 (RIA Novosti) - A former Reagan official has issued a public warning that the Bush administration is preparing to orchestrate a staged terrorist attack in the United States, transform the country into a dictatorship and launch a war with Iran within a year.
Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, blasted Thursday a new Executive Order, released July 17, allowing the White House to seize the assets of anyone who interferes with its Iraq policies and giving the government expanded police powers to exercise control in the country.
Roberts, who spoke on the Thom Hartmann radio program, said: "When Bush exercises this authority [under the new Executive Order], there's no check to it. So it really is a form of total, absolute, one-man rule."
"The American people don't really understand the danger that they face," Roberts said, adding that the so-called neoconservatives intended to use a renewal of the fight against terrorism to rally the American people around the fading Republican Party.
Old-line Republicans like Roberts have become increasingly disenchanted with the neoconservative politics of the Bush administration, which they see as a betrayal of fundamental conservative values.
According to a July 9-11 survey by Ipsos, an international public opinion research company, President Bush and the Republicans can claim a mere 31 percent approval rating for their handling of the Iraq war and 38 percent for their foreign policy in general, including terrorism.
"The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," he said. "You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda is not going to do it, it is going to be orchestrated."
Roberts suggested that in the absence of a massive popular outcry, only the federal bureaucracy and perhaps the military could put constraints on Bush's current drive for a fully-fledged dictatorship.
"They may have had enough. They may not go along with it," he said.
The radio interview was a follow-up to Robert's latest column, in which he warned that "unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the U.S. could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."
Roberts, who has been dubbed the "Father of Reaganomics" and has recently gained popularity for his strong opposition to the Bush administration and the Iraq War, regularly contributes articles to Creators Syndicate, an independent distributor of comic strips and syndicated columns for daily newspapers.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 18:25:47
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WTC7 - The Smoking gun.
Leaseholder of the three towers that fell admitting demolition of WTC7.
"Pull it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk
Demolition expert on WTC7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoSOQ2xrbI
Danny Jowenko – Proprietor, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie B.V., a European demolition and construction company, with offices in the Netherlands. Founded 1980, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie is certified and holds permits to comply with the Dutch Explosives for Civil Use Act and the German Explosives Act. Jowenko's explosives engineers also hold the German Certificate of Qualifications and the European Certificate for Shotfiring issued by The European Federation of Explosive Engineers.
Telephone interview with Jeff Hill 2/22/07:
Jeff Hill: I was just wondering real quickly, I know you had commented on World Trade Center Building 7 before.
Danny Jowenko: Yes, that's right.
Jeff Hill: And I've come to my conclusions, too, that it couldn't have came down by fire.
Danny Jowenko: No, it -- absolutely not.
Jeff Hill: Are you still sticking by your comments where you say it must have been a controlled demolition?
Danny Jowenko: Absolutely.
Jeff Hill: Yes? So, you as being a controlled demolitions expert, you've looked at the building, you've looked at the video and you've determined with your expertise that --
Danny Jowenko: I looked at the drawings, the construction and it couldn't be done by fire. So, no, absolutely not.
Jeff Hill: OK, 'cause I was reading on the Internet, people were asking about you and they said, I wonder -- I heard something that Danny Jowenko retracted his statement of what he said earlier about World Trade Center 7 now saying that it came down by fire. I said, "There's no way that's true."
Danny Jowenko: No, no, no, absolutely not.
Jeff Hill: 'Cause if anybody was -- Like when I called Controlled Demolition here in North America, they tell me that , "Oh, it's possible it came down from fire" and this and that and stuff like that --.
Danny Jowenko: When the FEMA makes a report that it came down by fire, and you have to earn your money in the States as a controlled demolition company and you say, "No, it was a controlled demolition", you're gone. You know?
Jeff Hill: Yeah, exactly, you'll be in a lot of trouble if you say that, right?
Danny Jowenko: Of course, of course. That's the end of your -- the end of the story.
Jeff Hill: Yeah, 'cause I was calling demolitions companies just to ask them if they used the term, "Pull it" in demolition terms and even Controlled Demolitions, Incorporated said they did. But the other people wouldn't -- didn't want to talk to me about Building 7 really because obviously 'cause they knew what happened and they didn't want to say it.
Danny Jowenko: Exactly . http://www.pumpitout.com
Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and was not hit by an airplane. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And 5 1/2 years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 19:07:58
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http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
“It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory,
mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the
World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics.”
— Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret), Former Political-Military Affairs
Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director
of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran.
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The King Of Karaoke
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 19:29:11
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Know your enemy
THE HISTORICAL ROOTS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND ITS PERMANENT WAR ECONOMY
The ‘permanent US war economy’ of the USA traces its roots in organisations and “a culture of death” back to the China opium wars, and through the current Iraq war. Samuel Russell, the primary American opium smuggler, acquired a vast fortune by launching the first clipper ship in 1823. Leading British and American families made vast fortunes with clippers smuggling opium from Turkey and India to China.
The illicit proceeds of expanded drug-trafficking today are proliferating wars and influencing the foreign policy of modern nation-States. Many researchers tie former President George H W Bush to the CIA as far back as the 1950s, and indicate that one of his jobs was to consolidate and coordinate the world’s biggest industry—the global narcotics trade. The Vietnam ‘war’ may have been a cover for US consolidation of the ‘Golden Triangle’, formerly under the control of the French. This seems to have been confirmed by Ross Perot when he was appointed by President Reagan to be a special presidential investigator looking for POWs and MIAs from the Vietnam ‘war’, and found himself on the wrong side of Vice President George H. W. Bush. In the revealing book about the abandonment of POWs/MIAs, Kiss the Boys’ Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POWs in Vietnam, Monika Jensen-Stevenson writes:
Relations between Bush and Perot had gone downhill ever since the Vice President had asked Ross Perot how his POW/MIA investigations were going.
“Well, George, I go in looking for prisoners”, said Perot, “but I spend all my time discovering the government has been moving drugs around the world and is involved in illegal arms deals ... I can’t get at the prisoners because of the corruption among our own people.”
This ended Perot’s official access to the highly classified files as a one-man presidential investigator. “I have been instructed to cease and desist”, he had informed the families of missing men early in 1987.
(Kiss the Boys’ Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POWs in Vietnam, Monika Jensen-Stevenson and William Stevenson, NY Dutton, Penguin Books, 1990).
William Huntington Russell, a cousin of opium smuggler Samuel Russell, arrived at Yale in 1832 after studying in Germany for two years from 1831–32, when it was a hotbed of new ideas. He returned steeped in Hegelian philosophy which provided the philosophical roots of fascism and communism. Granted authority to start a chapter by the mother society in Germany, he founded the first US secret society at Yale known today as “Skull and Bones”. Espionage, drug smuggling, and historically foreign-based secret societies intertwined and evolved throughout American history. Skull and Bones became the country’s secret establishment; it institutionalised the sociological excess of “elite deviancy”, with “vertical and horizontal chains of influence” providing continuity over two centuries to carry out conspiratorial schemes and permanent wars. Many Secretaries of War were ‘Bonesmen’ as well as some US Presidents. Early American Universities were often founded by opium fortunes. Even the Manhattan Project in World War II had close ties to Skull and Bones, and the nuclear weapons labs have been managed since by the University of California, which was founded by a ‘Bonesman’.
The unique relationship between Yale and the Intelligence Community had been established during the Revolutionary War through the ‘Culper Ring’, America’s first intelligence operation started by George Washington. Following World War II, the CIA was established as the top foreign espionage and counter-espionage agency. With strong ties to Yale, and Skull and Bones, it has played a powerful covert role in countries around the world. ‘Bonesmen’ share an affinity for the Hegelian ideas of the historical dialectic, which dictates the use of controlled conflict (thesis versus anti-thesis) to create a pre-determined synthesis. The synthesis is of their making and in this New World Order, the state is absolute and the citizen can only become free by worship and obedience to the state. In the new book, Fleshing Out Skull and Bones: Investigations into America’s Most Powerful Secret Society by Kris Millegan, 2003 there is evidence that these secret societies “create and play both sides in controlled conflicts to produce (desired) outcomes”:
>From 1785, the origin of the New World Order can be traced to Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Illuminati and his manuscript which was accidentally discovered when a courier died en route from Frankfurt-am-Main to Paris. Original Shift in Days of Illumination, contained the long-range plans for the secret society which was “The New World Order through world revolution”. Adam Weishaupt wrote:
By this plan, we shall direct all mankind in this manner. And, by the simplest means, we shall set all in motion and in flames. The occupation must be so allotted and contrived that we may, in secret, influence all political transactions.
In 1798, Professor John Robinson who had been invited to join the Illuminati but had declined, published a book called Proofs of a Conspiracy:
An association has been formed for the express purpose of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all the existing governments... the leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors. (Ibid)
The same year George Washington acknowledged Illuminati activity in America and believed their purpose was to separate the People from their government.
It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied with this fact than I am.
The Illuminati allied themselves with the Masons, and Skull and Bones show similarities in their practices and beliefs. The New World Order is based on a political philosophy that blends Zionism and Fascism—an ideology known generally as neo-conservatism.
The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission—founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski for David Rockefeller—and the Bilderberg Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens.
(Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D. former German Defense Ministry Official and Advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Woerner. November 6, 2001, quoted in The High Priests of War: The Secret History of How America’s ‘Neo-Conservatives’ Trotskyites Came to Power, Michael Collins Piper, 2004).
Today, the shadow of the architects of earlier wars, continues as a permanent war economy with proliferation of ever more horrific weapons for future wars. In the interim period between wars, the technologies developed for the last war are used to develop new weapon systems, one could call exotic weapons, for the next war. The atomic and other technologies introduced in World War II, have been secretly developed during the Cold War, into new directed energy weapons which seem beyond the realm of possibility.
It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandise and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.
(John Stockwell, former CIA official and author)
The legacy of the weapons proliferators, drug traffickers, sex traffickers, and gambling promoters of yesterday.... continues to enrich the same families. It is a culture of death and destruction which is turning Planet Earth into a death star.
Demand a new investigation.
Stand up. Be counted.
“None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
— Goethe
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 05:38:21
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So skimming through that post, you also think Megatron was involed? I keep telling people, but will they listen?
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 05:41:13
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KOK, posting articles bores people. add some personality to your posts.
i posted something that i thought might bring up interesting discussion but you ignored that in favour of boring articles.
zzzzzzzzz
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 06:25:42
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quote:
Originally posted by PixieSteve
KOK, posting articles bores people.
Don't I know it....
"I hate how the reptile dreams it's a mammal. Scaley monster: be what you are!!" - Erebus. |
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misterwoe
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 06:53:33
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Check out a documentary called "Loose Change." That'll fuck your skull a million times over.
Seriously, Google it or something. It starts with an HST voice-over.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 06:55:16
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yeah loose change was the first one i watched.
they're making a 3rd edition soon
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Srisaket
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 08:39:00
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What's the point in all of this?, maybe someone can explain as I don't have the time or the patience to read/watch all of this.
No offence KoK, but PixieSteve is right - have a debate by all means but how does this thread even attempt to encourage it?, it doesn't exactly jump off the page.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 09:07:19
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I've posted this stuff in the past. (like last year) and it rapidly finds it self on page 25 without any comments. So, the point of this thread is to keep posting stuff and keep it at the top and make people take a look even if it pisses some people off. Good, we should be pissed off. And yes, debate is more than welcome but that takes more than one person. What questions do you have? Is this unfathomable to you? If you have some patience and are willing to open your minds a little I will try to answer the questions. I don't enjoy arguing with people if they won't even look at the evidence because it is going to go nowhere. I can post brief videos if that is best but it seems that as soon as I do people try to say Youtube is not a valid source for information. CNN is? Take a look at building 7. That and the pentagon are considered the smoking guns of this whole theory. The post with the guys picture has the clip concerning WTC7.
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OLDMANOTY
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 11:36:42
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The BBC reporting, in some detail, the collapse of wtc building 7 before it happens. I'm not a conspiracy nut and I'm not sure which theory it would fit anyway, but this clip's inexplicable however you look at it. The building is visible (and still standing)behind the reporter as she's speaking! I thought it was a hoax when I first saw it. The BBC's explaination on their website is pretty lame - doesn't clear things up at all.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 12:16:59
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There is an American reporter doing the same thing (pretty much). I'll see if I can find it.
Folks I'm not a "conspiracy nut" either. The problem is, once you say you believe this theory or just have some questions, you are instantly labeled and subsequently chastised as one.
This tactic effectively silences those that are too meek to come forward and start demanding asnwers. How did the most heavily militarized building in the world get attacked with out warning? There supposedly are over 110 security cameras (don't quote me on that number), where's the footage of this mystery plane hitting the pentagon?
How come instead of hanging those responsible for allowing our country - the most heavily militarized nation on the planet - to be attacked by some mysterious Evildoers living in caves, instead of asking "WTF just happened? We couldn't have prevented this? Where does all our tax money go if we can't at least get some security in our homeland?" How come, instead of asking questions of our fearless leaders we gave them carte blanche to attack any country they see fit (as part of their plan of world domination) and simultaneously raise them to the level of super hero's.
I have this sitting in my living room. To me it's an absurd joke but I know there are many that think this is a great tribute to a true American hero.
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 12:25:38
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What does building 7 have in common with the twin towers? All were leased by Larry Siverstein from (David Rockefellar mind you) and all had a big fat insurance policies against terrorism on them. WTC7 was 47 stories tall, had light fires and fell to the ground (in a neat pile in it's own footprint) in about SEVEN seconds. Even if structural steel buildings could fall do to fire, using the pancake theory a forty seven story building would drop a whole lot slower than free fall speed. Lets allow only one second per story just for the hell of it. 47 seconds. How long did the 110 story towers take to fall? 10 seconds. That's free fall folks. NO RESISTENCE. I thought the floors were collapsing onto each other in a pancake fashion? Again even with an unrealistic one second per floor allowance would be 110 seconds, not ten.
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 12:30:56
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/martial_law_bush_plan_so_shocking_congress_cant_see_it.htm
Bush's Martial Law Plan Is So Shocking, Even Congress Can't See it
Executive über alles as member of Homeland Security Committee barred from viewing post-terror attack provisions
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, July 23, 2007
President Bush's post-terror attack martial law plan is so shocking that even sitting members of Congress and Homeland Security officials are barred from viewing it, another example of executive über alles and a chilling portent of what is to come as constant reminders of the inevitability of terror attacks reverberate.
Congressman Peter DeFazio (D - OR) was asked by his constituents to see what was contained within the classified portion of the White House's plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.
Since DeFazio also sits on the Homeland Security Committee and has clearance to view classified material, the request would have appeared to be routine, but the Congressman was unceremoniously denied all access to view the documents, and the White House wouldn't even give an excuse as to why he was barred.
"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio told the Oregonian on Friday.
"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."
"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio concluded.
The article also quotes Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, who told the paper he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee.
"I find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.
The only plausible reason DeFazio was barred access to the documents is that the plans for a post-terror attack continuity of government scenario are so abhorrent that to reveal their true nature would cause a public outcry and lead to a major repeal of what is contained in the documents.
Congressman Peter DeFazio (D - OR)
What we already about Bush's recent spate of executive orders, and in particular PDD 51 , is bad enough - the provisions outline preparations for the implementation of open martial law in the event of a declared national emergency.
New legislation signed on May 9, 2007 , declares that in the event of a "catastrophic event", the President can take total control over the government and the country, bypassing all other levels of government at the state, federal, local, territorial and tribal levels, and thus ensuring total unprecedented dictatorial power.
It is important to understand that, although these powers have been on the books for previous presidents, Bush is the first to openly brag of the fact that he will utilize them and officially become the supreme emperor of the United States in the aftermath of a catastrophe that the government itself has said will happen on innumerable occasions.
According to columnist and author Jerome Corsi , the power grab assures that "The president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over."
Also in May, it was reported that a high-level group of government and military officials has been quietly preparing an emergency survival program named "The Day After," which would effectively end civil liberties and implement a system of martial law in the event of a catastrophic attack on a U.S. city.
Last year we also exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.
The documents that Congressman DeFazio was blocked from seeing likely interlock with both these programs and detail the overarching agenda to effectively nullify what's left of the U.S. Constitution and firmly ensconce George W. Bush as a supreme dictator.
Only by putting enough pressure on the media and in turn the White House to be transparent about what the secret martial law provisions are can we lead an effort to repeal them before the next terror attack, whether real or manufactured, takes place.
"TerrorStorm is something that should be seen by everyone, no matter what their stance/affiliation/political bent. " - Rich Rosell, Digitally Obsessed UK
Get TerrorStorm on DVD today
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The King Of Karaoke
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The King Of Karaoke
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
KOK, posting articles bores people. add some personality to your posts.
i posted something that i thought might bring up interesting discussion but you ignored that in favour of boring articles.
zzzzzzzzz
"Idiot" is just her sig.
Sorry, Pixie man. As soon as I can read through the whole thing I'll comment. Thanks!
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Srisaket
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 18:35:28
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Don’t worry I am not pissed off.
No, I’m sure that what you are putting forward is not unfathomable, but please don’t affect the faintly condescending tone of your post by somehow assuming that it might be.
I am sure that YouTube is a valid means of disseminating information, however in some parts of the world it is either banned (such as here in Thailand) or internet bandwidth is restricted to the extent that watching these video clips is not possible ,thus your message is lost – please bear this in mind.
As for questions I will try and get back to you later on – you have posted a lot more since I responded.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 19:50:17
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Originally posted by Srisaket
Don’t worry I am not pissed off.
No, I’m sure that what you are putting forward is not unfathomable, but please don’t affect the faintly condescending tone of your post by somehow assuming that it might be.
I am sure that YouTube is a valid means of disseminating information, however in some parts of the world it is either banned (such as here in Thailand) or internet bandwidth is restricted to the extent that watching these video clips is not possible ,thus your message is lost – please bear this in mind.
As for questions I will try and get back to you later on – you have posted a lot more since I responded.
Sorry about the condescending tone. I spent the better part of the evening before arguing with someone that although they apparently dispises Bush and want him gone they won't look into the only way to bring him down.
Plus, I'm supposed to be taking a break from all of this save the world from the NWO stuff. You know getting out and enjoying life a bit. It was a very long depressing year.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 22:25:57
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i haven't watched excessive amounts of these conspiracy theory videos, but enough to know there are definitely a few odd circumstances surrounding both 9/11 and 7/7. there's a lot of stuff that i ignore, basically because i'm not sure how reliable a lot of it is, or ambiguous evidence has just been interpreted in a way that confirms already held beliefs.
the fact that there was a military training exercise during the morning of 9/11 (planned well in advance) to deal with and air crisis, planes crashing into government buildings, and an emergency in new york, is quite odd. it created confusion as to what was real and what was not. theorists will also argue that if government operatives were caught red handed, it would provide an easy excuse, i.e. "we're part of the training!".
on the other hand, you have to consider the chances of such a coincidence. theorists think the fact that there were lots of these during the year prior to the attacks is evidence of something dodgy. alternatively, doesn't it just raise the chances of a real attack falling on the same day as an exercise? or perhaps it was the terrorists who, having learned of the scheduled exercise, planned their attack on the same day. after all, it works in favour for them, not just secret government agents. but if that was the case, then why is the 'coincidence' always ignored and never spoken of? that's why i still think it's odd.
on top of that, 7/7 also occurred during a training exercise, one that was preparing for an almost exact same scenario. it just doesn't feel right.
another odd thing about the 9/11 for me, is the phone calls that passengers made. some reports say that the messages they left sounded very unemotional and unusual (e.g. who would introduce themselves to their mum with their full name?). but i can ignore those, just because it's the kind of evidence that can be distorted. it's the very fact they were able to make calls at all that bothers me.
and then there's the obviously faked osama video.
too much else, like the odd way the buildings fell, the impossible flight paths the planes were meant to have made, lack of plane debris... these things i'm not sure how reliable they are. there are so many conflicting reports by scientists.
and the eye witness in the 7/7 conspiracy videos. he sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic - "they were following me everywhere, calling out my name, laughing at me behind my back."
yeah, cos you're weird.
so, yeah. i don't know what conclusions to make. there are certainly some things to think about.
edit: it's obvious 7/7 was staged on that specific date so that americans could adopt "7/7" without any confusion over month/date or date/month :)
"Idiot" is just her sig.
There are a lot of unanswerable questions. One of the hardest things to answer is "Where are the passengers?" It appears that the planes were switched out for remote controlled military planes somewhere. So, yeah, where are the passengers? Until there is another investigation (which I'm not so sure will ever happen) only Cheney & co. know. If we try to answer that, it's all just specualtion. Most people that are trying to convince people of this theory feel it's best to stick with the stuff that can be proven. Number one being that the buildings were dropped by controlled demolition.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/23/2007 : 22:39:25
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i just remebered this. i haven't actually read any of it yet, just bigging up a philosophy lecturer at my uni. gonna give it a read..
note: it appears he is just giving ways to think about theories critically, rather than being a conspiracy fanatic.
"Idiot" is just her sig.
Since becoming convinced of the 9/11 conspiracy I've taken a look at others.
I was going to comment on some of them but my main thing is getting 9/11 truth out. I do not want to make this into some nutty conspiracy thread. I will say that, trying to find the truth out on this subect has left my head spinning. Trying to figure out what is really goiong on and whose behind it, can take you to some very dark, strange places. After seeing them I think perhaps it's just another level of deception.
Although Bush is a complete fool, the people behind the New World Order plan are absolutely genius. Bush being a fool actually works in their favor because people, when presented with this theory, will say he's not smart enough. This is very true but the people that really run the show are brilliant. Many very smart people say big business realy runs the show. I say kind of but it's even bigger. The families that own the big central banks are the ones that run the show.
Rothchild
Rockefellar mainly David Rockefellar and all of his manifestations (Council on Foreign Relations, etc.) is America's biggest enemy.
This is what's really going on folks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ernLnhIR8uI
Morgan
Warburg
This has reminded me of an amazing Pearl Jam video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3C9CH3q9PLI
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starmekitten
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 05:01:08
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Replying to yourself can easily take a thread to page 25. I know you have a lot to say and I daren't question the validity of the ideas you put forward but it's a discussion forum KOK, posting after yourself, posting long articles and posting heaps of links is going to make the thread impenetrable for any one who might want to talk about it.
That's all..
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Srisaket
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 06:49:45
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Originally posted by Thomas
I found better Science Fiction reading for you. Good stuff. You’ll immerse yourself.
http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0345301072/0345301072.htm
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard"
Thanks for the link - really deep stuff; far too much for me to take in. Did you write all that yourself? (don't be modest now) |
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:33:47
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Cute Thomas. Reading that made me feel giddy and warm inside.
I hear you Starmekitten but... ?
Anyway.
Things that make me believe we may be headed for a police state.
Bush subverting Congress (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aF3Z9PywX480&refer=home)
Bush Executive Order declaring that the government can seize the property, assets and persons of anyone who interferes with the Iraq War. This overturns the Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights.
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html)
The establishment of 800 large prisons across the states which are fully operational and staffed, but empty.
(http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm)
Bush's Continuity of Government plans (in case of emergency) which is being withheld from Congress.
(http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/118489654058910.xml&coll=7)
Reagan's Assistant Secretary of The Treasury warns of the Coming Police State
(http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html)
And a little something called "Operation FALCON".
Operation FALCON - The USA is turning into a Police State / PoliticsUS Politics /
Feb 28, 2007 - 07:43 PM
By: Mike_Whitney
On 29th June, 1934, Chancellor Adolph Hitler, accompanied by the Schutzstaffel (SS), arrived at Wiesse, where he personally arrested the leader of the Strum Abteilung (SA), Ernnst Roehm. During the next 24 hours 200 other senior SA officers were arrested on the way to Wiesse. Many were shot as soon as they were captured but Hitler decided to pardon Roehm because of his past service to the movement. However, after much pressure from Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler, Hitler agreed that Roehm should die. At first Hitler insisted that Roehm should be allowed to commit suicide but, when he refused, Roehm was shot by two SS men. (Spartacus.schoolnet.co)
Later, Hitler delivered a speech at the Reichstag in which he justified the murders of his rivals saying:
"If anyone reproaches me and asks why I did not resort to the regular courts of justice, then all I can say is this: In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I became the supreme judge of the German people. It was no secret that this time the revolution would have to be bloody; when we spoke of it we called it 'The Night of the Long Knives.' Everyone must know for all future time that if he raises his hand to strike the State, then certain death is his lot."
The Night of the Long Knives is seen by many as the turning point where Hitler made it clear that he was above the law and the supreme leader of the German people.
Operation Falcon: Blueprint for removing dissidents and political rivals
The Bush administration has carried out three massive sweeps in the last two years, rolling up more than 30,000 minor crooks and criminals, without as much as a whimper of protest from the public.
So far, not one of the more than 30,000 victims has been charged with a terror-related crime. So far, not one of the more than 30,000 victims has been charged with a terror-related crime.Operation Falcon is the clearest indication yet that the Bush administration is fine-tuning its shock-troops so it can roll up tens of thousands of people at a moment's notice and toss them into the newly-built Halliburton detention centers. This should be a red flag for anyone who cares at all about human rights, civil liberties, or simply saving his own skin.
Operation Falcon was allegedly the brainchild of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and his counterpart in the US Marshal's office, (Director) Ben Reyna. But its roots go much deeper into the nexus of right-wing Washington think tanks where fantasies of autocratic government have a long history. The name, Falcon, is an acronym for “Federal and Local Cops Organized Nationally.” It relates to the more than 960 state, local and federal agencies which are directly involved in the administration's expansive criminal dragnets.
continued. . .
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=431
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OLDMANOTY
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 13:21:09
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Folks I'm not a "conspiracy nut" either. The problem is, once you say you believe this theory or just have some questions, you are instantly labeled and subsequently chastised as one.
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Dallas
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 13:30:03
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Anyone who believes this stuff is a conspiracy nut. Period.
Hell, this thread can't even sustain itself, its just one post after another by one person who has gotten sucked in and disturbed.
KOK actually thinks he/she is doing something here. KOK thinks he/she is on the front lines man, INVESTIGATING!! Uncovering untruths! Speaking truth to POWER! It's true, GWB and the BBC took out bldg 7!
That's right folks, the greatest most intricately planned and devious event ever perpetrated on the planet earth was pulled off by George W. Bush and about 100,000 other people who are keeping quiet. Damn, if only they could have gotten to that loudmouth janitor, none of this would even be talked about!!!
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 18:40:57
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Dear Dallass,
Four our so years ago you and I would go at it over you insistence that Iraq had rape chambers and weapons of mass destruction, Saddam this, Saddam that, etc., etc., on and on into fantasy land. I was trying to tell you about PNAC and that what was going down was actually a plan for U.S. world domination. According to You, Thomas and Erubus, I was a fool then too.
So, where do you stand today on all of that stuff we heatedly debated four years ago? You're the miltary guy right? Thomas is the New York City cop. (Two right wing sterotypes) Erubus is... uh? An international man of mystery.
Why don't you folks try watching some of the documentaries? Are you afraid? Think of all the ammo you will have on me because of their foolishness.
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Dallas
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 19:13:23
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I appreciate you getting my opinion pretty much right on the war at the time. I was for the war on mainly security and humanitarian levels.
For or against the war is not a matter of being a nutjob and I wouldn't say that.
I think believing that 9/11 was an inside job (I have watched loose change all the way through) is a completely different matter. The whole story crumbles on the most basic levels, but, that is never considered when there are questions, ooooh questions. Its silly.
You have an agenda and admittedly are pushing it. That is bad enough. Its more annoying that it is based on a fantasy and fueled by a sense of enhanced self-worth or accomplishment. Your not saving the world dude, your making an ass of yourself. But that is just my opinion. |
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