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trobrianders
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 Posted - 05/30/2007 : 07:28:44
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All this is really incredible. How can creationists exists? I can understand one believes in "intelligent design", but Creation in 6000 years? Have they ever taught something?
People like Awestruck are dangerous, it doesn't matter the proof, their belief are stronger than simple evidence. Under a fake tolerant posture (I agree to disagree blah blah), they fucking don't care of what you say. You don't need to talk to anyone, awestruck, you'ld better write your own blog than coming on a forum. Talking without being able to change your opinion is like masturbation, it's just sterile.
"un jour tu connaitra cette detresse de pres ou de loin, je peux te le jurer" - Ofabsis
People acting in blind faith can be dangerous for sure but personal attacks are inappropriate here. Only love's gonna get us out of this thing alive.
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 07:57:29
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Although I find the creationist movement disturbing, to me atheists and believers are quite close together in respect to their uncompromising opinions. Surely, in the end, being agnostic is the most honest and logical position to take. I don't think this is a cop out, it just expresses the absolute and inescapable bottom line, that is - NOBODY knows for sure. Obviously I'm speaking as someone who's not been brought up with any kind of religion.
I know that is a simplistic way of looking at things and doesn't get us anywhere. Just seems obvious to me.
I think a lot of people who don't believe in God would consider Atheism more honest than Agnosticism. Taking an atheist position isn't just a negative - for a lot of people like me it's about asserting the argument that it's humanity where our hope lies, and that theism is an arcane system that holds back our development - you can't fully sign up to that positive way of looking at it whilst holding on to agnosticism.
Fair enough, that was a generalisation. I was thinking about the extreme opposite ends of the scale. Being agnostic leaves you open to accusations of being wishy-washy, of not really having an opinion, but for me it's the only honest conclusion I've been able to come to. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 07:59:15
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I love the comment that atheism is more honest than agnosticism. I don't know that I agree with it, but it's intriguing to me. I've spent nearly every day of my conscious life somewhere between these two "belief" systems. I was raised by an atheist (former Mormon) and an agnostic (former Protestant). The atheist held the most sway in the household, and that's the tack that stuck for me. But when I left home and began thinking for myself -- and when I married a Catholic -- I drifted toward being agnostic. I suppose that's in polite deference to the believers in my life. I consider it rude to not at least give some credence to a concept that billions of people believe in. But then, in my heart of hearts, well, I just don't believe. And so yeah, maybe atheism is the more honest belief.
God, I'm wishy-washy.
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cptnpasty
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:02:44
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Originally posted by coastline
I love the comment that atheism is more honest than agnosticism. I don't know that I agree with it, but it's intriguing to me. I've spent nearly every day of my conscious life somewhere between these two "belief" systems. I was raised by an atheist (former Mormon) and an agnostic (former Protestant). The atheist held the most sway in the household, and that's the tack that stuck for me. But when I left home and began thinking for myself -- and when I married a Catholic -- I drifted toward being agnostic. I suppose that's in polite deference to the believers in my life. I consider it rude to not at least give some credence to a concept that billions of people believe in. But then, in my heart of hearts, well, I just don't believe. And so yeah, maybe atheism is the more honest belief.
God, I'm wishy-washy.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
Honesty is really hard to pin down here - i would accept oldmanoty's position that agnosticism is the more honest for him
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cptnpasty
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:08:24
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Originally posted by cptnpasty
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Originally posted by coastline
I love the comment that atheism is more honest than agnosticism. I don't know that I agree with it, but it's intriguing to me. I've spent nearly every day of my conscious life somewhere between these two "belief" systems. I was raised by an atheist (former Mormon) and an agnostic (former Protestant). The atheist held the most sway in the household, and that's the tack that stuck for me. But when I left home and began thinking for myself -- and when I married a Catholic -- I drifted toward being agnostic. I suppose that's in polite deference to the believers in my life. I consider it rude to not at least give some credence to a concept that billions of people believe in. But then, in my heart of hearts, well, I just don't believe. And so yeah, maybe atheism is the more honest belief.
God, I'm wishy-washy.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
Honesty is really hard to pin down here - i would accept oldmanoty's position that agnosticism is the more honest for him
All that said and I would be totally lying if I denied the occassional pang of agnosticism ; hard to avoid if you were raised a catholic in ireland!
So i'm a hypocrite and i know it, but when asked to outline my beliefs i go the atheist route, because that seems "honest" of me. Confused? you will be... |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:09:23
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It's pretty hard to rule out all probability that there is some form of supernatural creator, just like it's pretty hard to rule out the possibility of an invisible magic teapot orbiting the earth. Which leaves you with differing levels of agnosticism.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:20:09
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cptnpasty
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:22:35
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Originally posted by Llamadance
It's pretty hard to rule out all probability that there is some form of supernatural creator, just like it's pretty hard to rule out the possibility of an invisible magic teapot orbiting the earth. Which leaves you with differing levels of agnosticism.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr
maybe i'm out of step here with defining these words - i admit i didn't check the dictionary. I always thought that a theist was someone who believed in a god, and an atheist is someone who doesn't. Therefore you don't have to rule out the possibility of a god to be an atheist - you just have to not believe it
an agnostic isn't someone, as far as i know, who is unsure about whether or not there is a god, he/she is someone who is unsure whether or not to believe in a god |
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kathryn
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:27:14
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Originally posted by coastline
and when I married a Catholic -- I drifted toward being agnostic
I wish I'd married a Catholic.
I got some heaven in my head
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:29:17
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my understanding is an atheist is someone who actively believes in the non-existence of god(s). They are certain about it, no room for wriggling.
An agnostic is someone who acknowledges the possibilty that there might be a god, but obviously depending on the person, that might fall into "I doubt strongly there is a god" or "there might be a god, I just don't know" categories.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:30:56
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why thank you kfs 
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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kfs
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:32:36
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Well, I meant AMEN! to Kathryn's post but it didn't really mean the same thing after your post so I deleted it.
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cptnpasty
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 08:35:24
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Originally posted by Llamadance
my understanding is an atheist is someone who actively believes in the non-existence of god(s). They are certain about it, no room for wriggling.
An agnostic is someone who acknowledges the possibilty that there might be a god, but obviously depending on the person, that might fall into "I doubt strongly there is a god" or "there might be a god, I just don't know" categories.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr
yeah checked the dictionary - your definition is better than mine, which means i'm unable to agree with what i myself say on this matter
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 11:52:10
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you know, just because someone believes in God and consider themselves to be a Christian, does not mean they just automatically accept that the world has only been around for 6000 years. I believe the evidence of evolution. I would be stupid to say that i don't. But I just believe that it all fits in to creation somehow. how? I don't know. As far as atheist or agnostic goes, i believe that is just like any other belief and their opinion should be respected. I was raised in a christian home so therefore i agree with coastline about how you are raised has a huge influence on how you believe as an adult.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 13:42:07
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you know, just because someone believes in God and consider themselves to be a Christian, does not mean they just automatically accept that the world has only been around for 6000 years. I believe the evidence of evolution. I would be stupid to say that i don't. But I just believe that it all fits in to creation somehow. how? I don't know. As far as atheist or agnostic goes, i believe that is just like any other belief and their opinion should be respected. I was raised in a christian home so therefore i agree with coastline about how you are raised has a huge influence on how you believe as an adult.
Favorite Quote: awestruck is a she, she's a she. -trobrianders
Awestruck - the thread has inevitably widened into the whole God and religion debate when I was actually only intending for it to discuss the new museum in Kentucky with a main theme being a 6,000 year old Earth and man romping around the landscape with dinosaurs. Both of these premises seem pretty barmy to me and fly in the face of what I would consider to be the sensible majority.
Regarding religious beliefs I have absolutely no problem with someone believing in a Christian god, Brahma, Vishnu or Allah. If people are happy then great. I only get irritated when someone tries to ram it down my throat say on my doorstep or when trying to walk down a High Street. Also when religion is used as a battering ram or excuse for unacceptable behaviour round the world (usually involving persecution, restriction of freedom of speech etc)
For me I think we are merely intelligent carbon based life forms that are at the end of an unimaginably long process of evolution that started some 3 billion years ago. I can't even imagine a million years, never mind a billion. I see no evidence that a supernatural being has been involved and I'm quite happy with it. When I die, I die. No expectations of heaven here.
Back on topic then - has anyone been to the museum? The replica Noah's Ark must be fucking huge to be able to fit in the pairs of Brachiosaurs, T Rex's etc etc.
Also pleased to see in the 'Plan your visit' section that pets and firearms are not allowed inside.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 13:56:56
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Cart before the horse. We have a capacity for faith therefore we believe. What we believe is immaterial. That we believe is all.
When your stomache rumbles you make a sandwich. When your spirit yearns you feed it with stories (sermons, songs, celebrity gossip, whatever). Take stories literally at your peril, and mine.
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 13:59:23
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You were brainwashed in a christian home and taught to be addicted to easy answers. The pleasure and "redemptive quality" of what you call "prayer" (meditation - google it) is redemptive because of the nature of the human mind to relax while interpreting patterns.
The "change" that "god has had in your life" is an example of the powerful ability you have to CHANGE YOUR OWN MIND.
You might also google the word "hypnosis".
There is no god, sorry.
We're all just here and we're supposed to be nice to each other because its the natural state of the human animal, not because its right.
I am once again mortified to be a resident of Kentucky.
Actually i may visit - maybe print out a bunch of Flying Spagehtti Monster handbills and leave them lying around.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:09:43
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Why does awestruck's brand of Christianity threaten you, KSR? It's not like she's hammering anyone with it here. She's been awfully polite.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:13:35
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why does someone speaking their mind get interpreted as them feeling threatened and reacting to it? Maybe it's just how ksr feels. He's hardly been harsh.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:33:32
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Nothing like good old-fashioned intolerance.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:41:10
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why does someone speaking their mind get interpreted as them feeling threatened and reacting to it? Maybe it's just how ksr feels. He's hardly been harsh.
I don't agree with awestruck on matters of religion, but jeez, I wouldn't call her out for being brainwashed or hypnotized like that. It just seemed unfair to me. Maybe I'm a tenderheart, but it seemed to me like KSR was indeed harsh to awestruck, who, like I said, has been awfully polite. Anyway, I'll shut up for now and await KSR's response.
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:42:52
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and when i replied i stated that i wanted to go to the museum. i don't know where all the other stuff came from. really i didn't mean for it to become a discussion about evolution vs creation.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:44:06
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People, you should take this Creation debate thing very seriously. Not just something about freedom of choice, or speech.
Once Creation will be considered as valid as any reasonnable theory based on facts, who knows what they'll sell you next?
"un jour tu connaitra cette detresse de pres ou de loin, je peux te le jurer" - Ofabsis |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 14:48:33
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by Llamadance
why does someone speaking their mind get interpreted as them feeling threatened and reacting to it? Maybe it's just how ksr feels. He's hardly been harsh.
I don't agree with awestruck on matters of religion, but jeez, I wouldn't call her out for being brainwashed or hypnotized like that. It just seemed unfair to me. Maybe I'm a tenderheart, but it seemed to me like KSR was indeed harsh to awestruck, who, like I said, has been awfully polite. Anyway, I'll shut up for now and await KSR's response.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
I don't see where it was directed at awestruck in particular. I took it as a general comment to all who believe in god.
the phrase "you don't choose your religion, your religion chooses you" is a comment on the fact that children who are far too young to understand what religion is are nevertheless indoctrinated or 'brainwashed' into it. That's the point ksr was making.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:07:47
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Originally posted by coastline
Why does awestruck's brand of Christianity threaten you, KSR? It's not like she's hammering anyone with it here. She's been awfully polite.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
I'm sure she'll find it in her christian heart to forgive me.
she is a representative here of those that are perpetuating and funding the politicization religion, demonizing secularism and attempting to turn the economy and the rest of human society towards fascism...and people like her have to be shocked into thinking or questioning any of their upbringing. The command "honor thy father and thy mother" was written by a control freak.
i am threatened by it because my son comes home saying things like "my friend devon says that a peace symbol is a broken cross." and i have to hold my tongue and give him information and allow him to form his own opinions...because i know that allowing him to form his own opinions will allow him to embark upon a more rewarding path of self discovery and he will be a more rounded person, unlike his friend devon's parents who would prefer the boy accept all that they say as truth...because that's what they are being told to do...because they're fucking brainwashed and terrified that "the end of the world" is coming and that they are going to be subjected to unthinkable PHYSICAL pain AFTER their BODY dies if they do not color within the lines.
"museums like this" already exist all over they world.
They are usually referred to as "church".
Go there, stay there.
Think for yourself and stop lying to children.
oh, and if hers is a "brand" of christianity, then it is heresy right?
There is but one path and one way and one, literal interpretation of the bible, right?
Yes, there is and these crazies up in northern Ky are perfect examples of the true face of the religious - it is the power-lusting face they are all hiding. Actually, i guess I'm glad the thing is there because it exposes the true agenda of the religious right, which is total control of all of human society, beginning with the redefinition of "science". Organized religion is a threat to free thought and to freedom itself. There is a saying on the right: "freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion." Well, I'm afraid it does. It very well does mean freedom from religion. Secularism is the only way out of the wars and all of the cultural polarization. Unsubscribe. Religion is addiction. Turn off your television. Bumper stickers make people think. That's why you see fewer these days.
"life is what energy does."
where is erebus?
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:08:29
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Oh please "I didn't mean to bully the fat kids, I was just making comments about other fat kids, they weren't supposed to take it personally"
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:10:25
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Originally posted by remig
People, you should take this Creation debate thing very seriously. Not just something about freedom of choice, or speech.
Once Creation will be considered as valid as any reasonnable theory based on facts, who knows what they'll sell you next?
"un jour tu connaitra cette detresse de pres ou de loin, je peux te le jurer" - Ofabsis
Probably secondhand cars.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:12:09
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Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinsonwhere is erebus?
He showed up in another thread today, after what I think was at least a month-long sabbatical. He should be here any second, I'm sure ...
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:15:45
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i don't think i am brainwashed. it is kind of insulting really for someone to assume that i am. and i have taken anthropology, i watch documentaries about evolution, i love reading articles about it, and national geographic has great articles about things of that nature. I don't believe i am the typical Christian. i believe in God, but i also believe what i see. I think where i may be different (and others have a hard time understanding) is that i believe that somehow they both co-exist with each other. I do not discount evidence toward evolution. But i don't believe it is necessarily evidence that God does not exist. I have times where i wonder. I think most people do. But i am open to conversation about it. i am willing to listen to someone else's opinion. But to say that i am so strong in my faith that i will not change my mind, i take that as a compliment. that is what faith is about. if i changed my mind i really didn't have faith to begin with. And as far as i can tell no one who does not believe in God are quick to change their minds either. So doesn't that make them as "DANGEROUS" as i am. just a thought. I like this discussion, really. esp. with those of you who are respectful and can talk about it with out attacking anyone for what they believe. so thank you everyone who has read what i have written in the post and not went off the deep end about it. 
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:16:48
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Oh please "I didn't mean to bully the fat kids, I was just making comments about other fat kids, they weren't supposed to take it personally"
Idiot.
but there was no bullying. And coastline was defending awestruck and her 'brand' of religion.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:22:37
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im pretty stupid and mean and contradict myself and can be slogan-y which is very hokey and repulsive...which is unfortuntely me.
hey awestruck - sorry for the suckerpunch.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:31:36
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Originally posted by awestruck
besides i have researched to find out if there is any evidence discounting what the bible says, and i haven't found it yet. In fact, I have read where discrepancies in the whole dating process is where they are getting the date of about 6000 years ago.
Perhaps I misread this. I took this to mean that they (creation scientist I assumed) had 'discovered' that carbon dating was wrong and thus dinosaurs and everything else is 6000 years old or less. That's why I asked whether you thought dinosaurs were around 6000 years ago.
Now after your later postings I'm thinking you mean that dating the statements in the bible makes the supposed age of the Earth greater than 6000 years.
To repeat once again, I think the discussion is very different if it's about God or evolution. Evolution can be proven, thus not all opinions are equal. The existence or absence of God can not, thus all opinions are equal (pains me to say that). |
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:33:27
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Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinson
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Originally posted by coastline
Why does awestruck's brand of Christianity threaten you, KSR? It's not like she's hammering anyone with it here. She's been awfully polite.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
I'm sure she'll find it in her christian heart to forgive me.
she is a representative here of those that are perpetuating and funding the politicization religion, demonizing secularism and attempting to turn the economy and the rest of human society towards fascism...and people like her have to be shocked into thinking or questioning any of their upbringing. The command "honor thy father and thy mother" was written by a control freak.
i am threatened by it because my son comes home saying things like "my friend devon says that a peace symbol is a broken cross." and i have to hold my tongue and give him information and allow him to form his own opinions...because i know that allowing him to form his own opinions will allow him to embark upon a more rewarding path of self discovery and he will be a more rounded person, unlike his friend devon's parents who would prefer the boy accept all that they say as truth...because that's what they are being told to do...because they're fucking brainwashed and terrified that "the end of the world" is coming and that they are going to be subjected to unthinkable PHYSICAL pain AFTER their BODY dies if they do not color within the lines.
"museums like this" already exist all over they world.
They are usually referred to as "church".
Go there, stay there.
Think for yourself and stop lying to children.
oh, and if hers is a "brand" of christianity, then it is heresy right?
There is but one path and one way and one, literal interpretation of the bible, right?
Yes, there is and these crazies up in northern Ky are perfect examples of the true face of the religious - it is the power-lusting face they are all hiding. Actually, i guess I'm glad the thing is there because it exposes the true agenda of the religious right, which is total control of all of human society, beginning with the redefinition of "science". Organized religion is a threat to free thought and to freedom itself. There is a saying on the right: "freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion." Well, I'm afraid it does. It very well does mean freedom from religion. Secularism is the only way out of the wars and all of the cultural polarization. Unsubscribe. Religion is addiction. Turn off your television. Bumper stickers make people think. That's why you see fewer these days.
"life is what energy does."
where is erebus?
im old and boring and hate stuff
First of all do not assume to know me. if you go and look at my homepage you will see on there that i love the peace symbol and i love the peace frog, too. i do not tell my kids that the peace sign is a broken cross. And i do not see christian's as the ones screwing up society. in fact christianity is not quite as popular today as it has been in the past. and as far as i can tell, secular approach to war doesn't solve anything, either and i think the further away from society that christianity gets, the worse society has gotten. But i repeat do not assume to know me or my religion. Because you don't. I have been nothing but nice on this thread. i have not tried to cram my faith, religion, belief or God down anyone's throat. I have read other's opinions and have not tried to change their minds at all and i have not insulted them by attacking their belief or lack thereof. And you know, that is funny that you said i would forgive you. i am not as quick to get over things and my God is. He loves you regardless if you believe in him or not.
Favorite Quote: awestruck is a she, she's a she. -trobrianders
i just read your apology. thank you. but check out my homepage. really.
i spouted off because i was tired of feeling like i was being attacked. i am sorry, too. now i just feel foolish. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:35:15
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Originally posted by LlamadanceAnd coastline was defending awestruck and her 'brand' of religion.
By this, I meant the non-Jerry Falwell brand, by the way. In case the term was unclear.
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Edited by - coastline on 05/30/2007 15:35:29 |
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 15:38:27
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by awestruck
besides i have researched to find out if there is any evidence discounting what the bible says, and i haven't found it yet. In fact, I have read where discrepancies in the whole dating process is where they are getting the date of about 6000 years ago.
Perhaps I misread this. I took this to mean that they (creation scientist I assumed) had 'discovered' that carbon dating was wrong and thus dinosaurs and everything else is 6000 years old or less. That's why I asked whether you thought dinosaurs were around 6000 years ago.
Now after your later postings I'm thinking you mean that dating the statements in the bible makes the supposed age of the Earth greater than 6000 years.
To repeat once again, I think the discussion is very different if it's about God or evolution. Evolution can be proven, thus not all opinions are equal. The existence or absence of God can not, thus all opinions are equal (pains me to say that).
actually i have read somewhere about the dating of thing not being as accurate as scientist claim. that is where christian's are getting the support to their claims to 6000 years. but i still find it hard to comprehend that earth has only been around for 6000 years.
Favorite Quote: awestruck is a she, she's a she. -trobrianders |
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The Creation Museum
