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Originally posted by PixieSteve

guys if it won't go on youtube it's because it's over 10 mins or over 100mb. now it sounds like most the clips are less than 10mins. so are yo ureally going to download >100mb to watch a few clips? i think the better solution is figuring out why they are so big, but whatever..

"Idiot" is just her sig.

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Originally posted by Moisha

Just had to have my two pennies worth here, although it seems a lot of other people above have got the general idea. I'm sure you all know that Frank didn't just pick up a few local musicians to bash through some of his songs, he's in a position to pick and choose from a number of top musicians for his band or any project he's doing, so I think you can assume he chose this band because they're the people he wanted. To illustrate, you say that Ding's bass playing is crude like it's a bad thing! And anyway, I don't recall him being behind the beat, that seems a little unfair, although there were admittedly mistakes, but perfection wasn't the goal, and let's not forget that the band have just come to the end of a 5 week tour, some fatigue is inevitable. But the point is, this show/tour was about pure rock and roll, not in a way that murdered the songs, those songs weren't murdered, they went on a drink and drugs binge, cut themselves up, threw up all over themselves and then jumped off a tall building, so yeah, they're different from the records, and maybe you didn't get it, maybe you're reading too much into things Frank said on stage, but having seen several of the shows on this tour (some better, some worse than Sunday) I'm convinced that he made the right choice with his band, not only for their musical abilities, but for their personalities as well. Any band is a very delicate mix of characters, and to put a new band together for a 5 week tour is not an easy task, but I'm fully backing his decisions and defending the band, in fact I think several versions of the songs were even better! Probably the only thing letting them down was the small percentage of the audience who stood there stroking their chins whilst examining and analysing the whole thing, when they probably would have fared a lot better if they just rocked out, enjoyed themselves, and took the whole thing on face value. Maybe you'll get it next time, this was what he wanted the show to be like, if he didn't, then it wouldn't have been. 95% of the audience at all the shows I've been to can't be wrong. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, and some of the points you make may have a grain of truth in them (10%er and Manitoba were indeed good!) but it seems to me that you're being a bit harsh on everyone simply because it wasn't what you expected! Glad the rest of you enjoyed it though!

P.S. I'm still locked in Marcel's room, somebody please let me out, I'm scared, he does weird things to me....

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Originally posted by junkmale

I think I must be the only person so far on this board who didn't really enjoy this show. Well, that's not quite true - I did enjoy the acoustic set. As far as the band goes, I think they murdered 90% of those songs. Don't get me wrong, I was one of those who wanted a shift away from the MOR Frank Black of the last couple of albums, but this band, in my opinion, just couldn't deliver these songs. There were exceptions, of course. Ten Percenter and Manitoba were pretty good, but even Threshold Apprehension didn't sound as powerful as it should have done.

The band just didn't have a feel for the rest of the material. Jason is a great drummer and just about held it together. Charles is a very good guitarist, but he's not Dave Philips, and he couldn't really carry the songs without Frank's guitar. For me the real problem was Ding, which was a surprise. I thought he did well in PJ Harvey's band and other things, but he was consistently behind the beat and very crude in his playing style, which really damaged some songs. I suppose it's a bit unfair to criticise players who've only just met each other, but this was almost embarassingly like watching a version of Frank if he hadn't sold a single record since Trompe le Monde and had picked up some local guys to play in a downtown bar in a one-horse town.

That said, I thought Frank was pretty good as a 'frontman' and I loved him sitting on the drum kit! But I did think that maybe he was disappointed with the quality of the band too - he just seemed intent on getting through the experience and it didn't look too much fun for him. We didn't get an encore and I thought that his comments on there being an 'unprofessional evening ahead' were about more than the mistake he made in his solo set.

Still, this was 500% better than most other things you're ever going to see. Perhaps Frank set too high standards for himself with the Catholics.

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Originally posted by fbc

'You Can't Break A Heart And Have It' is on Bluefinger.
'Remake/Remodel' is a b-side from way back.

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Originally posted by fbc

Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.

Rocky?! That last third: mental for spending "HOW MUCH?!!"

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Originally posted by junkmale

Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.

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Originally posted by fbc

Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.

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Originally posted by junkmale

Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.

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Well junkmale, apologies for not reading your original scribblings.;-)

I didn't set out to be condescending.. just straight off the keyboard ranting. Yes - I too am old (45) - punk to the roots also, but to keep making excuses for such a poor gig is tad lame.

I accept there can be, and are, mistakes made but even so - I think we seem to be mostly from the same hymn sheet

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Originally posted by fbc

Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.

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It is such a shame the nature of such forums always seems to focus on..
1) I was a fan b4 u were..
2) I am a greater fan than u r
3) I am much more musically aware than u r

This is really bs - btw the last gig I walked out on was a strange incarnation of Mud circa 1983 (some original members - but best not to have!)

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Originally posted by fbc

Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.

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It is such a shame the nature of such forums always seems to focus on..
1) I was a fan b4 u were..
2) I am a greater fan than u r
3) I am much more musically aware than u r

This is really bs - btw the last gig I walked out on was a strange incarnation of Mud circa 1983 (some original members - but best not to have!)

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'You Can't Break A Heart And Have It' is on Bluefinger.
'Remake/Remodel' is a b-side from way back.

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Originally posted by barnard666

My girlfriend didnt like it, she though the show was flat and devoid of variation. I however liked this aspect of it, it was like a balls to the wall AC-DC show or something, just full on! his screaming and agression were a real suprise for me...and a good one. I love evil rock music, and frank seemed to deliver just that. screw dynamics when you can just play loud all the time (that last part was sarcastic...kind of).

I was so happy that I didnt get a honeycomb / fast man raider man set...just pure action!

so the cover track he did (not reckerfella the other one) isnt on the new record?? say it isnt so...it was great...although not as great as that typewriter song...

I'll wait and buy the record, I dont want to ruin it by downloading it first...does the jaopanese copy have an extra track? I may preorder that instead of the usual buying the UK copy then forking out an extra £35 for the japanese copy!!

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Originally posted by kelladwella

That's good news. Thanks Llama.

I wonder what the sound quality of this recording is. The other two shows of this tour on dime suck pretty bad soundwise.

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Originally posted by Llamadance

there's a recording on DIME, thanks to funkygibbon

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[quote]Originally posted by junkmale

Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.

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there's a recording on DIME, thanks to funkygibbon

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thanks for the heads up. it's made my day.

the acoustic set for those who are dimeadozenless.

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