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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 07/17/2007 : 12:30:54
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Frank is like a bird some of you want to keep in a cage, close to you, and your expectations.
For me Frank is a rare bird I want to see flying in freedom and going wherever he wants. Showing me that I can go anywhere I want in this life too.
That's what he did musically over the 20 past years. That's why he provided us almost as many albums.
He's around 42 now and dares take risks and reinvent himself on stage with ABSOLUTE TALENT imo.
Is it disturbing to watch Frank doing something you would'nt dare to do?
I do not think we have the MORAL right to complain and criticize his ways like some people do recently about his "new acting".
(Almost as absurd as complaining about "the package of the best-of - Oh my god-I won't buy it-oh, what's really wrong with me", but that's another song)
First of all because he is acting GREAT in this tour,
Second, because he is likely to read those critics and I don't think it is nice to read this when you are an artist trying to please and to remain faithfull to your ideals of freedom and music, when you REALLY GIVE YOURSELF ON STAGE during a tour and find out that conservative fans don't like your efforts...
Yes because it is only about conservatism to complain about anything Frank is doing.
I would never have dared to image him laying on the ground nor covering Fatboy Slim. And he did it!
And that was UNBELIEVABLE.
Yes indeed.
This is my coup de gueule. It's nowadays too easy to complain because of the net. It's not moral. It is DANGEROUS and it may hurt the artists and their freedom.
There are not so many guys like Frank Black alive and living their arts like he does these days...
Shall we not spoil what is rare because we want to be heard or feel we have our word to say...
Let us enjoy what he gives us and let us question a little more about ourselves and self criticize more often and spend less time "sharing" on the net, and more "on earth" or on stage like Frank is doing right now.
Thanks.
"I'm not a dancing bear"
Frank Black
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Blank_Frackis
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 12:44:50
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It's a fair point, the internet does make it too easy to criticise people. Someone could do the most unambiguously positive thing imaginable and there would still be a few people saying it sucked, if only to acquire a little distinction for themselves. However the forum would be a bit useless if we all just slapped Frank on the back regardless of what he does, if someone genuinely didn't like his performances on the tour then they should feel free to express those sentiments so long as they're honest reactions and not simply articulating a dissenting perspective for the sake of it.
The critical posts he's received on this tour just serve to reinforce the praise he's garnered in my view, because it shows that all of the glowing things people (myself included) have been writing about him are genuine.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 13:49:02
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Who cares, fucker.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1075 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 14:09:06
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Mr Thompson may...
You egoistic...
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 15:18:36
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I like what you're saying, Joe. I've definitely been guilty in the past and can appreciate your point.
However, this is a FAN board, and therefor, a place for us to write whatever we want (within limits, of course) regarding our musical hero, for better or worse. The fact that people come here to write something, anything really, is a sign that we care a lot about Frank and his music regardless if the post was negative or not.
And a sign of my support for free speech, no matter what the internet may interpret that to be, I'd like to add this: The band they call BATTLES are awesome!
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gary13th
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
632 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 17:07:09
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exactamundo, free speech, everyone has an opinion, which may be different to someone elses.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 17:18:58
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(but the negative opinions are wrong)
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
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Mac E. Doobage
= Cult of Ray =
503 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 18:30:44
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the acorahs
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
181 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 18:36:24
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The way some people have complained about the way Frank has been on this tour is pretty much akin to those kind of people who would go a Catholics gig and scream requests for "Where is my mind?".
I can understand that some people prefer the country tinged stuff, but the Catholics are dead. And The Nashville phase seems to well and truly over. Bluefinger is what Frank is about right now.
Let Frank get it out of his system, let him explore, it does seem that he takes us, the fans, views seriously, hence why he leaked the bluefinger album.
I am happy that when I put all my Frank Black stuff on shuffle that I might get Captain Pasty or When The Paint Grows Darker Still.
And besides, it is FUN to see him roam around stage, screaming and getting a little drunk.
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2008 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 20:02:40
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 20:23:51
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quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Who cares, fucker.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 21:11:57
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To me the NEGATIVE comments (and I don't think there have been THAT many) about the latest shows are just as exciting to me as the positive comments, maybe even moreso sometimes. I read "negative" stuff about the song arrangments, about Frank screaming too much, about the shows being "too loud" and think "THAT SOUNDS FUGGIN' AWESOME! I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT! (Even though the description I'm reading is by someone who didn't like it)"
Here's the thing:
Today, I don't think we're used to musicians trying out new things on tour. Back in the 70s, people like David Bowie and Bob Dylan used to screw around with the live presentation of their songs all the time. Maybe you liked the results of that, maybe you didn't, but I think it kept things interesting (and so many details of this tour go totally against what we expect from a Frank Black show, and I think that's damn interesting.)
So I applaud the experimentation. I hope we see more experimentation. (And I hope this current band goes on an American tour.) |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 02:19:40
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by vilainde
Who cares, fucker.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
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Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
I just don't give a shit about Joey's opinion.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1075 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 02:32:49
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Originally posted by vilainde
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by vilainde
Who cares, fucker.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
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Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
I just don't give a shit about Joey's opinion.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
You are the perfect example of what I am trying to describe to a larger extent.
You say: I don't care what he is saying but you get the oppportunity to be rude and insult myself just for the sake of sayin' "I'm here, look at me, I'm cool, I say fuck and shit". Tu crains, mec.
This behaviour is lame especially coming from an old person like you, Vilain...
Tiens et puis va te faire enculer tant que t'y es, ça te rendra peut-être plus sympa.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 02:58:41
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But isn't Denis kind of channeling Frank there?
While Frank responded to some critics by doing a short acoustic session beforehand, I'm sure he had a clear idea of what he wanted to do for the tour. He knows that you can't please all of the people all of the time (see Nashville) and as long as he's true to himself, that's what counts.
I wish I'd seen it.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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laporto
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/18/2007 : 04:00:01
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Frank has proven that he values any opinion that his fans have about his work or show. People complained that the show was too short, so he adds an acoustic set. I don't know of any other artist in his league that does this. So if people have sincere and well founded criticism on his work, I don't see why they should not post it. I think it is appreciated.
The problem with internet is that people feel that they are anonymous and therefore take liberties they normally wouldn't, that could be destructive for an artist. If this were to happen too much on this forum it is very likely that Frank will turn his back on frankblack.net and set up his own website, and that would be a pity and unneccesary.
I would use as a rule: Don't post anything you wouldn't say to his face. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 05:07:23
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Actually, although Denis post was a bit blunt
I think I have to agree to a certain level
Frank can do whatever he wants and I admire his courage
and I do love the shows. BUT I think it should be OK to criticize him (positively or negatively)
when we feel the need to. That Frank might read them, well that's beside the point. We were here before he was,
considering his amount of posts, he's still a newbie (ok, joking here).
Opinions should be motivated by correct arguments of course. So I'm also a bit on Joey's side
Kiss and make up!
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 09:54:21
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from the heart, hW. i like it...
but i'm sure Frank's read worse. i know i have. |
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junkmale
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/18/2007 : 12:36:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
Frank is like a bird some of you want to keep in a cage, close to you, and your expectations.
For me Frank is a rare bird I want to see flying in freedom and going wherever he wants. Showing me that I can go anywhere I want in this life too.
That's what he did musically over the 20 past years. That's why he provided us almost as many albums.
He's around 42 now and dares take risks and reinvent himself on stage with ABSOLUTE TALENT imo.
Is it disturbing to watch Frank doing something you would'nt dare to do?
I do not think we have the MORAL right to complain and criticize his ways like some people do recently about his "new acting".
(Almost as absurd as complaining about "the package of the best-of - Oh my god-I won't buy it-oh, what's really wrong with me", but that's another song)
First of all because he is acting GREAT in this tour,
Second, because he is likely to read those critics and I don't think it is nice to read this when you are an artist trying to please and to remain faithfull to your ideals of freedom and music, when you REALLY GIVE YOURSELF ON STAGE during a tour and find out that conservative fans don't like your efforts...
Yes because it is only about conservatism to complain about anything Frank is doing.
I would never have dared to image him laying on the ground nor covering Fatboy Slim. And he did it!
And that was UNBELIEVABLE.
Yes indeed.
This is my coup de gueule. It's nowadays too easy to complain because of the net. It's not moral. It is DANGEROUS and it may hurt the artists and their freedom.
There are not so many guys like Frank Black alive and living their arts like he does these days...
Shall we not spoil what is rare because we want to be heard or feel we have our word to say...
Let us enjoy what he gives us and let us question a little more about ourselves and self criticize more often and spend less time "sharing" on the net, and more "on earth" or on stage like Frank is doing right now.
Thanks.
"I'm not a dancing bear"
Frank Black
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Yes, I don't have a moral right to make a negative observation. What I do have is a moral obligation to be honest. I'm sorry but I just can't see your point. Frank is human, He does good stuff and bad stuff like everybody else. Thankfully nearly everything he does is good stuff. He's an intelligent guy, so I think he can take a bit of genuine criticism and he probably doesn't want us all to be fawning sycophants |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1075 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 13:02:51
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I love you all guys. Even los vilains. Let us make peace and enjoy life and its surrounding. (and Frank Black)
hWolsky
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
4233 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 01:58:36
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Originally posted by junkmale
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Originally posted by Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
Frank is like a bird some of you want to keep in a cage, close to you, and your expectations.
For me Frank is a rare bird I want to see flying in freedom and going wherever he wants. Showing me that I can go anywhere I want in this life too.
That's what he did musically over the 20 past years. That's why he provided us almost as many albums.
He's around 42 now and dares take risks and reinvent himself on stage with ABSOLUTE TALENT imo.
Is it disturbing to watch Frank doing something you would'nt dare to do?
I do not think we have the MORAL right to complain and criticize his ways like some people do recently about his "new acting".
(Almost as absurd as complaining about "the package of the best-of - Oh my god-I won't buy it-oh, what's really wrong with me", but that's another song)
First of all because he is acting GREAT in this tour,
Second, because he is likely to read those critics and I don't think it is nice to read this when you are an artist trying to please and to remain faithfull to your ideals of freedom and music, when you REALLY GIVE YOURSELF ON STAGE during a tour and find out that conservative fans don't like your efforts...
Yes because it is only about conservatism to complain about anything Frank is doing.
I would never have dared to image him laying on the ground nor covering Fatboy Slim. And he did it!
And that was UNBELIEVABLE.
Yes indeed.
This is my coup de gueule. It's nowadays too easy to complain because of the net. It's not moral. It is DANGEROUS and it may hurt the artists and their freedom.
There are not so many guys like Frank Black alive and living their arts like he does these days...
Shall we not spoil what is rare because we want to be heard or feel we have our word to say...
Let us enjoy what he gives us and let us question a little more about ourselves and self criticize more often and spend less time "sharing" on the net, and more "on earth" or on stage like Frank is doing right now.
Thanks.
"I'm not a dancing bear"
Frank Black
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Yes, I don't have a moral right to make a negative observation. What I do have is a moral obligation to be honest. I'm sorry but I just can't see your point. Frank is human, He does good stuff and bad stuff like everybody else. Thankfully nearly everything he does is good stuff. He's an intelligent guy, so I think he can take a bit of genuine criticism and he probably doesn't want us all to be fawning sycophants
Frank is always right, even when is wrong, Frank is GOD
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 08:38:33
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Ugh.
Idiot. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 23:56:38
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Originally posted by fbc
from the heart, hW. i like it...
this picture looks like as if frank is has a pipe stuck up his you know.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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treetime
- FB Fan -
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 23:59:56
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| that is a cool picture |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 01:37:17
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That's the last time Jason misses a beat.
"I hate how the reptile dreams it's a mammal. Scaley monster: be what you are!!" - Erebus. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1116 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 07:07:30
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The way I see it, it isn't a Frank Black show, it's a Black Francis show.
The amount of times Id read reviews of the pixies early gigs and read the quote "black francis shrieks and screams like a psychopath"
And with the proclamation of Herman Brood rediscovering Black Francis in CT, you've gotta expect the change to not only be in terms of songwriting and musical delivery, but in terms of character and alter ego too.
One of the best quotes I heard was from John Lydon (previously known as Johnny Rotten) who said...
"The thing about age is that it takes away all of the shock value you had as a youngster. And the sad thing about being young is you are never taken seriously."
So it's an interesting time for the "monster" black francis to reawaken.
As for the right to criticise/praise...as humans we always have and always will - just cos it's on the net we can access it at the click of a button rather than it being at the pub or in work or wherever.
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Rico Ricardo
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:43:57
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Personally, I'm totally in awe of the man. I came late to the Frank Black thing, only been a fan for a few years, and still now when I get another of his albums, it's still got a bunch of tracks I love. The guy is a fricking genius. I'm just sad he didn't come to the North of England, I couldn't afford to travel all the way down to London to see him :( I've heard some of the bootlegs from that show and it sounded really really good, his voice sounds as great as it did in the nineties. When the guy dies, which obviously will be soon seeing as he's such a legend, (he doesn't deserve to suffer a long life), they should make a solid gold (FB SONG!) statue of him a mile high and stick it on the moon.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2007 : 11:28:14
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I totally want to cut off his skin and wear it to my birthday
it's coming up...
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1075 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2007 : 18:05:08
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2007 : 18:31:18
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I totally want to cut off his skin and wear it to my birthday
it's coming up...
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Awesome post, Jop.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2007 : 16:01:01
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I totally want to cut off his skin and wear it to my birthday
it's coming up...
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Awesome post, Jop.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
Oh I get it, Buffalo billgoodman. I wouldn't Jop, sanctimonious Clarice will make you feel really small.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2007 : 00:51:04
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quote:
Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I totally want to cut off his skin and wear it to my birthday
it's coming up...
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Awesome post, Jop.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
Please notice that it's a line from Blades of Glory starring Will Ferrel. A nice flick to see with some friends.
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Leah
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2007 : 05:52:57
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My opinion: you don't like it; don fuckin look pal. simple as.
Personally I think its great he's still contraversial enough to provoke this debate in the first place.
The world would be a heap more tedious if we all wore the same coloured socks...
Every choice human being strives instinctively for a citadel and a secrecy where he is saved from the crowd -
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2461 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2007 : 07:06:42
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No need to be abusive; one of the good things about this forum is how topics can be discussed seriously, but without much flaming and personal attacks.
N.B. This is, however, waived whenever a certain Nashville based producer chooses to post ;) |
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