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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 06/29/2007 : 20:38:15
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For the record, I would shag both Kidman and Sharapova, preferably at the same time. I would enjoy it more listening to a 320kbps recording of music (say for argument's sake, something by Frank Black) than I would listening to a 128kbps of the same. Either way, the shagging would continue, and regardless of the music quality, I'd likely be prematurely ejected from the game in the second inning. I would continue to watch from the first base line and drink 7 dollar beer while the game continued, though. My hope would be for extra innings, during which I could be called in from the bullpen to throw one or two sinkers and a Knuckle Ball. When it's all said and done, what's the difference?
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2007 : 22:00:56
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You're Nuke LaLoosh, dude.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2007 : 03:01:28
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Originally posted by Ziggy
It's lame, i've yet to buy a thing from them.
that's funny
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2007 : 05:58:18
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Sharapova, duuno. Kidman, definite download.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2007 : 08:44:17
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| The disappointing thing about the itunes and emusic exclusivity of Snake Oil and One More Road for the Hit is that they were originally mastered by Steve Hoffman, a great mastering engineer and one of the few who doesn't flatten any semblence of a recording's dynamic range by mastering everything as loud as possible (like the vast majority of CDs today). When labels and artists are serious about putting out an "audiophile" recording, he's one of the guys they go to for mastering. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2007 : 09:17:04
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Originally posted by Jason
The disappointing thing about the itunes and emusic exclusivity of Snake Oil and One More Road for the Hit is that they were originally mastered by Steve Hoffman, a great mastering engineer and one of the few who doesn't flatten any semblence of a recording's dynamic range by mastering everything as loud as possible (like the vast majority of CDs today). When labels and artists are serious about putting out an "audiophile" recording, he's one of the guys they go to for mastering.
Yeah they're so BAD with that compression. Why do they do that? With all those crapy young bands that play all the same way it wont help: the singer-guitarist begins alone with a super loud volume, then comes the band and the total volume stays just the same!!! What's the point ? They make me think to those guys who used to reframe the wide screen movies. And the reason is similar: people who owned a small TV complained of the lost black space, and people who have a shity audio set want the music LOUD and POWERFULL anyway!
I used to think the first CD reeditions (circa 86) where crap, but they were quite good comparated to those awfull modern masterings. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2007 : 22:21:02
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I got my copy this week. I haven't listened to it yet but I really liked the graphics of the poster- the song titles were a nice touch. Thanks CV.
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TAMAL
- FB Fan -
Australia
55 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2007 : 00:03:39
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who gives a shit about the packaging, the live stuff rules!
my shirt is shitty! |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2007 : 19:49:58
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| I give a shit because it's **supposed** to be a comprehensive ten year best of CD. That's a BIG deal! You don't just throw something like that into a cardboard sleeve with NO LINER NOTES or photographs whatsoever. Not to mention those god-damned sleeves scratch your CDs to hell every time you take them out or put them back in. I KNOW Cooking Vinyl can do better than that. Hell, Christmass was packaged better than this (which isn't saying much...), and that was a shitty release targeted at nothing more than uber-hardcore fans. This is a comprehensive best of designed to introduce people to Frank's music. The live disc is just a little bonus. The packaging is inexcusable. |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2007 : 20:15:07
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quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
For the record, I would shag both Kidman and Sharapova, preferably at the same time. I would enjoy it more listening to a 320kbps recording of music (say for argument's sake, something by Frank Black) than I would listening to a 128kbps of the same. Either way, the shagging would continue, and regardless of the music quality, I'd likely be prematurely ejected from the game in the second inning. I would continue to watch from the first base line and drink 7 dollar beer while the game continued, though. My hope would be for extra innings, during which I could be called in from the bullpen to throw one or two sinkers and a Knuckle Ball. When it's all said and done, what's the difference?
I love this part... Yeah, we did it!
If you were shagging in a car, I bet you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the 320kbps and the 128. Or a CD.
And I bet Sharapova is a screamer in the sack. Badump-ching.
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spiring
- FB Fan -
Sweden
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 03:26:36
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Has anyone got a CD copy with "Horrible day" on the live disc? I downloaded it (well, all 21 tracks) from eMusic; that song is supposed to be 4:16, and it is, but the music ends abruptly at 3:50 and the rest of the track is silence. I reported it, and it seems that the master eMusic got is like that. I then downloaded that very track from iTunes, and it is - ta-dah - the same. But what about the official CD version, is it also like that? (i.e. is it supposed to be "faulty"?)
When I get a potato out
It is the same
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
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spiring
- FB Fan -
Sweden
13 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 06:04:40
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Wow, thanks. Thatīs not what I had in mind, but it answers the question (itīs not supposed to end abruptly) and solves my problem at the same time.
So, a warning: at the moment, this song is faulty at both iTunes and eMusic.
When I get a potato out
It is the same
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
USA
246 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 14:52:28
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 23:57:52
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I had got a refound from i tunes (one song).
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spiring
- FB Fan -
Sweden
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 02:14:44
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So did I, from both iTunes and eMusic... but Iīd rather have a non-faulty file.
When I get a potato out
It is the same
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kfs
= Cult of Ray =
USA
889 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2007 : 05:45:57
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I could have sworn I ordered this a long time ago but it never came.
I bought it yesterday at a local music store. I was surprised they had it because they NEVER have anything I'm looking for!
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laporto
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 02:21:46
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| Being cheap and lazy I've ordered it from cdwow.com, but they had to cancel my order due to delivery problems. Not many shops seem to carry it yet. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2007 : 14:00:38
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I give a shit because it's **supposed** to be a comprehensive ten year best of CD. That's a BIG deal! You don't just throw something like that into a cardboard sleeve with NO LINER NOTES or photographs whatsoever. Not to mention those god-damned sleeves scratch your CDs to hell every time you take them out or put them back in. I KNOW Cooking Vinyl can do better than that. Hell, Christmass was packaged better than this (which isn't saying much...), and that was a shitty release targeted at nothing more than uber-hardcore fans. This is a comprehensive best of designed to introduce people to Frank's music. The live disc is just a little bonus. The packaging is inexcusable.
I didn't think about it at first but you're right. The cover pic on mine is badly printed. It didn't even make the New Releases shelf in my local record store. What's the point of it at all, you have to ask.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 11:23:11
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Unexpectedly, I bought mine at Best Buy. I didn't expect them to even carry it. However, I still must pose the questions: why are people so surprised in having a hard time to find the cd? and why are people expecting it to be great when they do find it (packaging, presentation)? Do we not remember it's Frank Black? That the majority of the rest of the world (minus us here on this forum) have no idea who he is, or even care? The BEST OF cd is ultimately dissapointing, I agree. But I expected it...why would his popularity trend change? Why even have the cd made in the first place? There is really no clear answer, other than as completists, the fans will buy it. I think that's it. I'm just trying to be objective.
When it comes to critiquing the CD, as generally stated, it's a let down. The song choices have no real grounds for 'best of' quality, as no song really ever saw the light of day in a promotional sense (other than the few times LOS ANGELES and HEADACHE were played on the radio and MTV). It starts out 4 songs from the Big Eponymous Debut, and by BLD, the selections dwindle to one song. Whatever. Wouldn't it have been better to select three songs from each album? It would have been the same length. And also, personally, I'm not one for methodical time frames. These songs could have been mixed up to really showcase his diversity in sound and style. But that's just my feeling. And the live disc, while cool, is repetetive because of TEN PERCENTER. Couldn't another song have been selected for this U.S. release? Oh well...whatever. I still enjoy having it, if not soley for the cool front picture.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 12:10:53
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P.S. I must say I really like the edited version THRESHOLD APPREHENSION! After owning BLUEFINGER for months and not liking TA as much as many people here have (I always felt it just dragged on and on), the BEST OF version is tighter and sounds better mixing-wise. The "ooh-ee ooh-ee's" and the synthesizer seem to be brought forward more than in the leaked BLUEFINGER. I really like this song now. It's fun.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 12:47:48
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
P.S. I must say I really like the edited version THRESHOLD APPREHENSION! After owning BLUEFINGER for months and not liking TA as much as many people here have (I always felt it just dragged on and on), the BEST OF version is tighter and sounds better mixing-wise. The "ooh-ee ooh-ee's" and the synthesizer seem to be brought forward more than in the leaked BLUEFINGER. I really like this song now. It's fun.
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I didn't think a truncated version of TA would bother me but the drum roll splat ending is left out. Why? Does the sanitised 'single' version have to deny Brood's messy demise as well? Lame (unless FB changed his mind about it, that is).
Bet hedger.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 14:33:00
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The tracklist might have a disprportionate number of songs from the first two albums because those are the most popular.
Or maybe because those two albums sound so different from the rest, it might've been felt that piling on stuff from them would make for a more diverse set than it would've been had it been a Catholics-dominated Best of (which it would be if each album was excerpted equally).
I don't know. I think the Best of is good.
For a record like this, the opinions of non-fans and casual fans are worth 50 times more than the opinions of hardcore fans (like just about all of us, myself included). I'll be curious to read the reviews for this, both from professional critics and from Joe Blows on the internet (reviewing it on Amazon, for example). I'd like to see opinions from people who are actually listening to the Best of as a primer, rather than hardcore fans going on about their disappointment over their favorite song not being on it. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2007 : 15:25:58
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Do NOT, I repeat do NOT waste your money on this! The packaging is AWFUL!!! To begin, it's one of those cardboard gatefold sleeves that scrathes your CDs every time you pull them out, but then, and most importantly, there is not a booklet to be found. The only photo in the whole package is the one on the front cover. No liner notes, NOTHING. This, in my view, is completely unacceptable for a best-of release. I haven't listened to the live disc, so that may make it worth it, but not $26.00. That's right, I paid $10 for shipping from the UK (could have gotten free shipping on Amazon) so that I could get the poster, and sure enough, what do I get? Some tiny little promo poster that's folded in every which direction and not even evenly, mind you, so it's just a mess of creases! All I can say is, the live disc better be GREAT!
http://www.myspace.com/shadoplay
You know, I read this post several weeks ago and said to myself, "Meh. What does that matter?" And then today I wandered down to ye independent record shoppe with the intention of buying 93-03, and ended up walking away empty-handed because the packaging seemed so insignificant.
I own all the studio songs, and I've heard all the others live at one time or another, but I finally decided I had to have the CD -- since I want to support Frank and I do like to keep my collection as complete as possible. However, the packaging is so lame and insignificant, I'm tempted to go the Ben Mumphrey route and get the damn live tracks from some immoral Russian download site.
Boo. You lost a customer because you're cheap, Cooking Vinyl.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2007 : 16:08:29
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Don't worry Coastline, I bet you it won't change our good Frank's destiny...
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2007 : 16:11:02
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The Package Men.
Good name for a band, no?
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2007 : 18:27:02
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Originally posted by coastline
Boo. You lost a customer because you're cheap, Cooking Vinyl.
I'll say it again, but they lost me when they decided to make 3 different editions for the live tracks. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 02:53:24
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 04:22:37
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| When I saw it siting in the racks it struck me how small and insignificant it looked due to the packaging. I expect Bluefinger will look similarly shoddy despite the cover art. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 04:31:37
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The packaging is kinda small sized.
But I like the fact it's not a cristal cd packaging.
I hate those cristal boxes.
As it is it could be a small vynil.
But a very small one, indeed!
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2007 : 15:40:32
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By the way, why are the UK and USA digipaks different sizes? They look a bit odd side by side. Alt card stock = different resolution on the printing as well. Quality control a bit lost.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2007 : 15:56:04
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I ended up downloading all the live tracks from emusic this weekend. Not a bad deal either -- I got a one-month subscription for $15, which gives me 50 downloads. I used 21 of those downloads for the FB 93-03 live tracks, and at 30 cents a song, that comes out to $6.30.
I also used 12 of my credits for Doug Sahm's "The Return of Wayne Douglas." Goddam, he was nearly as good as Frank. No wonder FB covered one of his songs.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 07/15/2007 : 16:16:48
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i haven't bought it and don't plan on buying it. seen both the us and eu versions for sale here, and the booklets are slightly different sizes, but it just doesn't interest me.
pity.
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BenMumphrey
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:51:25
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In defense to a misrepresentative post, allow me to state that the "Ben Mumphrey route" is not to download from "immoral" music websites. I posted I'd SOONER download higher bit-rate mp3's from peer-to-peer applications (such as LimeWire) than buy defective, fascistic product from iTunes (immoral). I pointed out that "immoral" Russian sites have higher bit-rate files than iTunes. The "Ben Mumphrey route" is to buy the physical CD's, locally or online...quote:
Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Do NOT, I repeat do NOT waste your money on this! The packaging is AWFUL!!! To begin, it's one of those cardboard gatefold sleeves that scrathes your CDs every time you pull them out, but then, and most importantly, there is not a booklet to be found. The only photo in the whole package is the one on the front cover. No liner notes, NOTHING. This, in my view, is completely unacceptable for a best-of release. I haven't listened to the live disc, so that may make it worth it, but not $26.00. That's right, I paid $10 for shipping from the UK (could have gotten free shipping on Amazon) so that I could get the poster, and sure enough, what do I get? Some tiny little promo poster that's folded in every which direction and not even evenly, mind you, so it's just a mess of creases! All I can say is, the live disc better be GREAT!
http://www.myspace.com/shadoplay
You know, I read this post several weeks ago and said to myself, "Meh. What does that matter?" And then today I wandered down to ye independent record shoppe with the intention of buying 93-03, and ended up walking away empty-handed because the packaging seemed so insignificant.
I own all the studio songs, and I've heard all the others live at one time or another, but I finally decided I had to have the CD -- since I want to support Frank and I do like to keep my collection as complete as possible. However, the packaging is so lame and insignificant, I'm tempted to go the Ben Mumphrey route and get the damn live tracks from some immoral Russian download site.
Boo. You lost a customer because you're cheap, Cooking Vinyl.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:57:04
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From now on, I intend to buy all my CDs directly from Ben Mumphrey.  |
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The Best Of Frank Black (1993-2003) - June 4th!
