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junkmale
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 Posted - 02/01/2007 : 08:38:40
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 02/03/2007 : 03:01:55
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Originally posted by coastline
Here's his scene with Iggy Pop from the movie "Coffee and Cigarettes." It's classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Mw6b1T50U
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
After 20 years I finally got to see the man play live. Apollo at Hammersmith last year. So god does exist it seems. What a dream collaboration it would be if Tom Waits produced a Pixies record, an idea that Charles has been floating. I've sometime wondered if the TW album Bone Machine was any kind of reference to Surfer Rosa's opener. Does anyone know?
PS Thanks for the youtube link coastline. I downloaded it (keepvid.com)
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erotic_vulture
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Posted - 02/10/2007 : 20:10:06
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Great call. Howe Gelb is quality. Neko Case is getting there too.
Tom Waits, Frank Black and Nick Cave are my holy trinity.
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Originally posted by Jefrey
Paul Simon, Paul McCartney, Howe Gelb, Robert Smith
If you look at the sheer range of styles he's explored, Robert Smith has to be near the top of the list. Prior to Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss me, the Cure albums were basically solo albums. He did all the writing and arranging of everything.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 02/13/2007 : 13:13:37
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Originally posted by erotic_vulture
Great call. Howe Gelb is quality. Neko Case is getting there too.
Tom Waits, Frank Black and Nick Cave are my holy trinity.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2007 : 20:51:49
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SPEEDYMARIEGONZALES
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 10:58:19
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 11:44:19
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moksha23x
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:37:56
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This video comes from a Pennebaker documentary on Bob Dylan titled , "Don't Look Back"....this is from a scene where donovan (who had only been around for a bit) was being dubbed the euro-dylan. I think they were trying to say he was "as good as" Dylan. In this scene donovan witnesses Dylan's brilliance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKoV1yJnqAI
Oh....I'm not digging at Frank Black saying he's not "as good as" Dylan, because he is precisely that to me, a neo-troubadour..... I'm questioning some of these "as good as Frank" posts and wondering if they really are.....
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 13:08:10
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It's all subective, moksha. OLMANOTY believes Robert Forster and Grant McLennan are as good as Frank. junkmale believes Ryan Adams and David McComb are as good as Frank. I don't believe any of them are, but then, I don't expect anyone to agree with my own choices. For me, this thread is all about discovering some names I hadn't known before, not saying anyone's absolutely as good as anyone else.
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moksha23x
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 13:28:29
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quote:
Originally posted by coastline
It's all subective, moksha. OLMANOTY believes Robert Forster and Grant McLennan are as good as Frank. junkmale believes Ryan Adams and David McComb are as good as Frank. I don't believe any of them are, but then, I don't expect anyone to agree with my own choices. For me, this thread is all about discovering some names I hadn't known before, not saying anyone's absolutely as good as anyone else.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
I agree, it is subjective......and I do value new names to discover. Dogbowl was one on this post that I was unsure of.......I looked him up and realized he used to be with King Missile.
Here's one to check out:
Mark Linkous .........he's "Sparklehorse" |
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moksha23x
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245 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 14:19:18
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quote:
Originally posted by coastline
It's all subective, moksha. OLMANOTY believes Robert Forster and Grant McLennan are as good as Frank. junkmale believes Ryan Adams and David McComb are as good as Frank. I don't believe any of them are, but then, I don't expect anyone to agree with my own choices. For me, this thread is all about discovering some names I hadn't known before, not saying anyone's absolutely as good as anyone else.
Check out this site.....Frank Black's picture is on the front page as a judge. I guess all of the judges are going to have to be as "objectively subjective" as they can be ....or "subjectively objective" in order to determine a winner.
http://www.songwritingcompetition.com/prizejudge.htm
I agree that determining 'who is a better songwriter than who' is subjective.......but are some subjective observances of more value than others??? I think the "International Songwriting Competition" commission believes so........ |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 14:49:14
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Like this thread, I don't think this competition is all about who's best. It's about encouraging and rewarding great songwriting and pointing out its value. Obviously, someone has to win, but it's not all about #1.
I'm really full of shit today, moksha. Forgive me if I seem like I'm picking on everything you say.
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moksha23x
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245 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 15:04:18
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Originally posted by coastline
I'm really full of shit today, moksha. Forgive me if I seem like I'm picking on everything you say.
No worries.....I was arguing also.....I'm full of it too
Check out Sparklehorse....Mark Linkous is really a talented musician....no bullshit,
I think you'll dig it
Eric Drew Feldman produced the following track,.....Sparklehorse: "Happy Man" (single)
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 16:27:49
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Certainly subjective. I'm with the crew that says that even when you look back over a truly prolifically-grand scope of work, to folks like Bowie, Dylan, Waits, Townsend, or even Lennon, Frank's the guy, subjectively, and with full relalization that naming superlatives within the realm of the aesthetic is folly almost by definition.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 17:51:10
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moksha23x
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245 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 18:27:15
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"a fellow that writes just as many songs as most anybody in the country and sings them just as well" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2cOOq1RS8 |
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Fast Man
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 12:43:53
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John and Exene during the glorious X years
Both John’s from TMBG
Ian from Echo is very clever
Danny Elfman
Dave Alvin
Bowie during the Ziggy years
Kristin Hersh
Tanya Donelly
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clemray
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 15:16:57
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mikaelp75
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 04:41:30
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Old guy: Richard Thompson
Young guy: John K Samson (the Weakerthans) |
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TheUglyLover
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 04:54:01
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Grant Lee Phillips comes to mind.
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2007 : 00:07:16
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2 Words:
"Weird" Al Yankovic.
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moksha23x
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245 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2007 : 00:24:24
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Bonnie "Prince" Billy
Bonnie "Prince" Billy is, I believe, a stage name.....His real name is Will Oldham. If anyone hasn't heard of this guy I highly reccommend checking him out. He certainly stands up as a Great songwriter. |
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yingguoguizi
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Posted - 02/21/2007 : 02:12:29
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Ira Kaplan of Yo La Tengo
Thurston Moore of Sonic youth
Nobody else comes near! Whoever said Noel Gallagher needs to widen their record collection. |
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MHokkane
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USA
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Posted - 02/22/2007 : 18:25:11
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Paul Simon
Mostly his older stuff. Everything pre "Capeman" |
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Scalzo
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USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2007 : 19:32:30
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Fitzgerald
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Brazil
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Posted - 02/24/2007 : 05:53:48
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| lennon, mccartney, lou, bowie, dylan |
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junkmale
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 06:32:48
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| Daniel Bejar of Destroyer and New Pornographers |
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junkmale
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 06:35:30
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quote:
Originally posted by moksha23x
quote:
Originally posted by coastline
I'm really full of shit today, moksha. Forgive me if I seem like I'm picking on everything you say.
No worries.....I was arguing also.....I'm full of it too
Check out Sparklehorse....Mark Linkous is really a talented musician....no bullshit,
I think you'll dig it
Eric Drew Feldman produced the following track,.....Sparklehorse: "Happy Man" (single)
Sparklehorse are good but they, or rather he, kind of ran out of ideas after the second album, so in my book Linkous isn't on the same plateau as FB |
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Valhalla
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 03:55:25
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Originally posted by moksha23x
Bonnie "Prince" Billy
Bonnie "Prince" Billy is, I believe, a stage name.....His real name is Will Oldham. If anyone hasn't heard of this guy I highly reccommend checking him out. He certainly stands up as a Great songwriter.
Thank you for mentioning Bonnie Prince Billy, he is really great.
Please all of you check his sound, he is an excellent musician !
Here is a video clip by him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJ4ekzclPk
"You take the moon, I'll take the sun"
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rockmusic84
= Cult of Ray =
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2007 : 07:30:29
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IAN HUNTER. Check him out if you haven't heard (or heard of) him.
Join The Cult of U-MASS - IT'S EDUCATIONAL!!! |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2007 : 15:14:10
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I would say the following are as good as Frank, and who I love to listen to:
David Bowie
Neil Young
Jason Lytle (just started getting into Grandaddy... amazing group, pity they are no longer around)
Elliott Smith
Robert Smith
It's early morning so I am sure I am missing out a few other people. The above for me are pretty much the guys who I consider my favorite songwriters. Couldn't really say who I like best really...
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 16:16:29
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Me.
HAHAHA only kidding.
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www.myspace.com/casabonitaband = noisey stuff
www.myspace.com/WKtheband = surfrockpop geekery
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Juri
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 16:24:18
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In no particular order:
Johnny Cash
David Byrne (Talking Heads)
the guys from TMBG
Lou Reed
Leonard Cohen
Woody Guthrie
Neil Young
David Bowie
Frank Zappa
Brian Ferry
Morrisey (The Smiths)
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2007 : 16:39:55
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This thread's thrown out some fine names I hadn't heard of but I gotta say I'm surprised Nick Cave went by with hardly a mention. Is it that no one's listening or do you guys really not rate him?
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999
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 17:39:01
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