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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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 Posted - 01/16/2007 : 19:17:14
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It's ok Erebus, this thread is about other songwriters.
Liz is clever, funny and slams political correctness. She's still a breath of fresh air.
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mixedbizz
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 19:34:55
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speedy_m
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Canada
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 19:55:06
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
he said it was ironic - i thought he was suggesting you wouldn't expect someone who knows zilch about theory of music to be so into melodies.
Yes, that is what I meant, and I thank you, and speedy. speedy has long given me more attention than I deserve. Thanks speedy: I've noticed.
Opinions that are often so diametrically opposed to mine, so well stated and thought out, are hard to ignore. I find such methodical madness fascinating. Though it surprises me to hear that you don't really pay attention to lyrics; I would have put you at the top of the scrutinizers list. I love trying to decipher his songs, though sometimes it takes me years to come around to it. Of course it always adds immennsely to my appreciation.
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Mister Dog
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 21:28:47
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The fact the Lou Reed hasn't been mentioned yet is pathetic. I hate you all.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 01:36:01
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well that erebus/speedy thing left me confused. erebus says one thing, i disagree and say the opposite, speedy says erebus already said what i think, erebus confirms i was correct in what i thought he meant (thus my statement was not the same as what erebus said), yet speedy is congratuted for giving erebus attention. confused. anyway, john lennon.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 04:56:09
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by trobrianders
A brief photo caption I once wrote about Liz Phair. 'Lo-fi indie songstress Liz Phair. Her combination of preppy looks and explicit lyrics thrilled the male music establishment'.
But it's ok. You don't need to be forty, corrupt and pony-tailed to think she's good.
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You work for some publication or something?
 And aren't you havin' fun?
A picture editor in illustrated book publishing.
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 05:30:22
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trobrianders - that actually is one of my favourite lines, and not at all a naive one. Dylan is singing about a world gone wrong, about a desperate messenger trying to deliver one last warning, and at the same time, an up-and-coming student one upping his former masters. Recall the earlier lines:
"gentlemen" he said I don't need, your organisation, I've shined your shoes, I've moved your mountains, I've marked you cards, but EDEN IS BURNING".
And really, how come only one person mentioned LOU REED? How come the name of David Bowie was not mentioned for himself? Where is someone paying tribute to Tom Verlaine? and where are all the worshippers around the music of the patron saint of travellers lost, lovers abandoned, and hope betrayed: Leonard Cohen |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 05:33:19
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Originally posted by jediroller
Coastline: there's a new Kristin Hersh album coming next month, called "Learn To Sing Like a Star". It's as good an opportunity as any to give her another chance. Failing that, I would recommend getting her 2001 album "Sunny Border Blue".
And let's not forget that fine examples of the lady's songwriting are also to be found in the works of Throwing Muses and 50 Foot Wave. Of the former, I'd personally recommend getting "In a Doghouse", "The Real Ramona" and "Limbo". The latter have released a mini-album called "Free Music", which can be downloaded for, well, free, from http://www.throwingmusic.com.
I'd also like to add Vic Chesnutt to my list.
free music | Blackolero | Frank Black & Pixies Tributes
Jediroller, have you heard Kristin Hersh's live cover of Vic Chesnutt's 'Panic Pure'. I'll load it up somewhere if you like.
coastline, I would recommend KH's 'Strange Angels'. The earlier Throwing Muses songs are harder to get first time 'round. Took me a while anyway.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 05:46:00
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Originally posted by Omer
trobrianders - that actually is one of my favourite lines, and not at all a naive one. Dylan is singing about a world gone wrong, about a desperate messenger trying to deliver one last warning, and at the same time, an up-and-coming student one upping his former masters. Recall the earlier lines:
"gentlemen" he said I don't need, your organisation, I've shined your shoes, I've moved your mountains, I've marked you cards, but EDEN IS BURNING".
And really, how come only one person mentioned LOU REED? How come the name of David Bowie was not mentioned for himself? Where is someone paying tribute to Tom Verlaine? and where are all the worshippers around the music of the patron saint of travellers lost, lovers abandoned, and hope betrayed: Leonard Cohen
Sorry for sounding cynical.
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 06:25:20
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
well that erebus/speedy thing left me confused. erebus says one thing, i disagree and say the opposite, speedy says erebus already said what i think, erebus confirms i was correct in what i thought he meant (thus my statement was not the same as what erebus said), yet speedy is congratuted for giving erebus attention. confused. anyway, john lennon.
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 06:25:31
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Originally posted by trobrianders
Jediroller, have you heard Kristin Hersh's live cover of Vic Chesnutt's 'Panic Pure'. I'll load it up somewhere if you like.
I have indeed! (I've got the "Sweet Relief" CD) Thank you. I also have a great live version by KH and VC.
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Newo
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Spain
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 06:44:15
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edbanky
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 01/16/2007 : 13:43:45
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I go with:
Tom Waits: Timeless Americana
he´s one of my favourites too. He´s broader than just one country though, there are resonances in his songs you can feel in pleasantly shitty bars or streets in so many different parts of the world. The Black Rider alone picks up on musical feelings you can experience in some of the most farflung places.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 06:54:23
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Originally posted by Newo
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edbanky
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
335 Posts
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 13:43:45
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I go with:
Tom Waits: Timeless Americana
he´s one of my favourites too. He´s broader than just one country though, there are resonances in his songs you can feel in pleasantly shitty bars or streets in so many different parts of the world. The Black Rider alone picks up on musical feelings you can experience in some of the most farflung places.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!
That's absolutely right. I once played billiards with a midget 'til the rain stopped in a bar in Hamburg. That's a true story.
Not to be too literal about it.
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rodney
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 06:59:32
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Erebus
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Ronwell Quincy Dobbs
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2007 : 13:52:36
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Ian McCulloch of Echo & the Bunnymen (songs like The Killing Moon, The Cutter, Back of Love, etc are amazing)
Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine (unfortunately turning out to be this generation's Brian Wilson)
I don't consider either the equal of FB but both have put out amazing, inventive music if only sporadically.
Others I admire are Glenn Danzig (notably in the Misfits and Samhain, Jarvis Cocker (Pulp, the equal of Morrissey lyrically but writes music as well), Joey and Dee Dee Ramone, Robert Smith and Martin L. Gore.
But nobody can touch FB IMHO.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2007 : 19:59:01
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I'd definitely agree with Stephin Merritt. Scott McCaughey is also pretty high on my list, as are both Johns from TMBG (I'd rank Linnell somewhat higher, although Flansburgh's skills are often underappreciated), and Andy Partridge. I'm sure no one who knows me at all is surprised at any of these picks.
I'm very lyrically oriented, but I also appreciate a good melody. I know nothing about all the technical stuff, though. Some people go on about chord progressions or production values or whatever, and while I'm sure I notice these things to an extent in terms of thinking certain things sound better than others, I can't say I know what they mean.
As for Liz Phair, I've only heard her first three albums, and I like whitechocolatespaceegg quite a lot, while the other two are more hit-or-miss (some great songs, some not-so-great). Oddly enough, it's more her voice and the general sound of the songs that appeal to me, and not so much the lyrics. But maybe I'm just trying to be different. :P
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2007 : 20:21:57
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Townes Van Zandt
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that." - Steve Earle.
(i love this quote)
Bob Dylan
Robert Pollard
Leonard Cohen
John Linnell
John Flansburgh
Lou Reed
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Karissa551
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Chris Fabulous
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 06:28:39
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Originally posted by Jefrey
But I'd consider the Beatles and Pixies as probably the 2 most influential bands in rock history (as in influencing/inspiring other musicians to pick up a guitar, write songs, and make music).
What about the Ramones?
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Originally posted by klocke
Notorious B.I.G. - no laughing!! no one in hip-hop (and maybe in all of music) paints such vivid pictures w/ their storytelling
Not laughing, but I think Ghostface is better than Biggie. He leaves me speechless.
Anyway, as far as pure songwriting goes, I think the best are Frank, Elvis Costello, John Linnell (They Might Be Giants), Ben Weasel (Screeching Weasel, Riverdales), and Paul Westerburg (Replacements). I have to admit, though, I'm really unfamiliar with a lot of the writers you guys are naming. |
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edbanky
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 09:10:49
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Originally posted by Ronwell Quincy Dobbs
Martin L. Gore.
Totally forgot about this incredibly gifted mofo. Very good call.
Tiny Axe (MySpace)
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2007 : 09:19:35
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Originally posted by Karissa551
All your remarks are really irrelevant to the discussed topic.
Ogden florists
- Scuba Diving South pacific
Define irony.
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Carl
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 09:49:28
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 09:56:04
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I couldn't figure out those Karissa551 posts at first. There were five of them all at once. They were all kind of insulting. The other four questioned the use of a word in a post, putting that word in quotes. It took me a while to realize they're spam. They're just pimping those two links in the sig. They might even have been computer-generated. Pretty clever, I guess.
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Uranus-Neptune
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 13:23:47
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Of course Frank Black is the best, but I also appreciate
listening to Neil Young, Bonnie Prince Billy (Will Oldham) and Neko Case |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 16:39:56
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Don't laugh but Lux Interior's pretty good. 'Lots of wavy hair. Like Liberace. I'm mean.
It's all about confidence.
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cellar_door
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Canada
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 19:27:24
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In 5-6 yesrs, Arcade Fire might be up there. They blow me away. I'd melt if they opened for FB. Mind you he'd probably open for them at this point.
I was a hawk and I just flew...yeah
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 23:20:52
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Originally posted by cellar_door
In 5-6 yesrs, Arcade Fire might be up there. They blow me away. I'd melt if they opened for FB. Mind you he'd probably open for them at this point.
I was a hawk and I just flew...yeah
Yeah, but bands are different than songwriters. I think that's why David Bowie may not make the cut. I don't think he's the complete package of songwriter - he has help writing the songs, doing the production, etc. He's a genius of art, for sure and great lyricist, but I don't he fits the songwriter bill.
Same with Arcade Fire. It's a collective effort. Great bands is its own thread!
Lou Reed is a good call maybe, but I have idea (pardon my ignorance) if he writes all his own music. VU is one of my favorite bands of all times, but again, it was a collective effort and I don't know if Lou Reed was the primary creative force or just a piece.
That's I say Robert Smith and not The Cure. The band has been incredible in all its forms and deserves credit for their place in hbistory, but Robert Smith has always been the main songwriter and creator of their unique sound from the beginning. It's completely his vision.
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2007 : 23:26:10
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Originally posted by Chris Fabulous
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Originally posted by Jefrey
But I'd consider the Beatles and Pixies as probably the 2 most influential bands in rock history (as in influencing/inspiring other musicians to pick up a guitar, write songs, and make music).
What about the Ramones?
Maybe. I dunno. In the sense that "hey, anyone can be in a band"? Everyone loves Elvis too, but I don't know how many bands he started.
I really think Pixies probably actually influnced more people to pursue a career in rock music more than any other band in rock history. And we got some damn fine bands to listen to out of it!
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tiredeyes
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Posted - 01/24/2007 : 02:05:18
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bob dylan
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Chris Fabulous
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Posted - 01/25/2007 : 21:46:18
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Originally posted by Jefrey
I really think Pixies probably actually influnced more people [than the Ramones] to pursue a career in rock music more than any other band in rock history.
Please don't take any of this as though I'm bashing the Pixies. I'm not. I love the Pixies. The Pixies were very, very influential in that way, but not even close to the scale of the Ramones! No way! I know I'm not the only one that thinks so. Maybe the Pixies inspired more mainstream types of bands (Nirvana, Radiohead, etcetera), but the Ramones singlehandedly defined the sound of punk and I know for a fact that the formation of the Clash, the Sex Pistols, and the Replacements, as well as more underground acts like Screeching Weasel, the Queers, Furious George, all of my previous bands and all of my friends' bands - so, so many - were direct results of hearing the Ramones. Nobody I personally know started a band because they were inspired by the Pixies, and very few of my favorite bands ever cite them as an influence. Maybe that says more about me than it does about the Pixies, but I always thought it was rock gospel that the Ramones were THE BAND that inspired people to do rock themselves.
But, anyway, I digress.
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erotic_vulture
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Posted - 01/26/2007 : 12:56:07
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John Lennon, Nick Cave,
Tom Waits, Robert Pollard, Jagger/Richards, Dylan, can't think of many more on par. |
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Chris Fabulous
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Posted - 01/30/2007 : 19:28:14
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I also thought of Dr. Frank/Frank Portman (MTX) and Vic Ruggurio (Slackers).
I've got to get some Tom Waits stuff. Everybody keeps naming him, and I like Frank's versions of "Black Rider" a lot, plus the only good song (except maybe "The Crusher") on the last Ramones record was a Tom Waits cover. Where's a good place to start with his catalog?
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 12:25:42
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Originally posted by Chris Fabulous
I've got to get some Tom Waits stuff. Everybody keeps naming him, and I like Frank's versions of "Black Rider" a lot, plus the only good song (except maybe "The Crusher") on the last Ramones record was a Tom Waits cover. Where's a good place to start with his catalog?
www.chrisfabulous.com
I started with Rain Dogs in 1985 which worked for me. It's kooky and accessible. Then work backwards through Blue Valentines, Small Change and Nighthawks at the Diner to get the measure of the man and then you're in good shape to journey with him into his 'stranger' post-85 stuff. Good to spread the love.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Other songwriters as good as Frank
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.