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scruvs
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 10/18/2006 : 23:28:27
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That sounds creepy. It's not. It's respect.
Thanks again for touring, man.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 23:36:09
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Originally posted by Miss Thing
We are on the west coast. 12:30 am for NC is 9:30pm here.
We were all supposed to be on this tour together but I opted to keep the kids home because it was too hard on Jack. So we're missing eachother terribly.
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hey miss thing !
a bit off topic, but i try everything i can: why don't you & your lovely familiy, including your husband embark on an european trip ? gotta see the continent, including vienna. also, bring your friends like mr. darvis, mr. feldman and mr. block, for example...and bring some music as well.i promise, there will be no "YOU USED TO BE MY HERO YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE". no way. maybe only "I USED TO QUOTE YOU IN MY PHD YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE" - but wouldn't that be an advance, though ? 
hope to see you guys here !
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 00:34:40
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Does your PHD ends with "Many thanks to Frank Black - YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE"?
Denis
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 06:35:50
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Hey Miss Thing,
As I stated in the other thread after Charles' instore at Grimey's:
"He is so polite, generous and giving to his people. He played 40 minutes at Grimey's and then
stayed around another 40 minutes meeting and greeting his people/fans, signing autographs, answering questions, and sharing his thoughts and comments with all those who came before him.
The record label person initially tried to hurry him up, but finally gave up when she saw that
Charles was going to meet and greet his people properly, no matter how long it took."
Anyway as your Husband has said, and to which I'm sure you're well-acquainted, "That's show biz".
"Some people want Frank Black to rock hard, and be a tough motherfucker, but then they want this approachable teddy bear who makes them feel special. It's natural for one to feel like one knows Charles because they've seen his picture and heard his records,..." WORD.
And, as Charles said, "i'm not complaining. i love my career. and i truly love my fans. i just can't always be giving people juice when they want it."
Great quote, almost as good as the "dancing bear" quote.
Here's some off-topic:
Hey, someone dedicated a portion of this speech to me recently: Theodore Roosevelt's words of wisdom, "The Man In The Arena" Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, France, April 23, 1910
Have you ever heard it?
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rodney
- FB Fan -
USA
127 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 07:04:42
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The whole touring thing is really hard, and I think most of us here are close enough to musicians or are involved in music enough to know that it’s not nearly as glamorous as it appears to be to most people. I can’t imagine the strain that being away from your home and family for six weeks at a time can bring. My friend tells me that it’s one of the least desirable parts about the job. Knowing that, I fully expect musicians on a long tour to appear a little “road weary” and I also know that musicians are generally moody guys.
I’d never expect someone to want to be my best pal or anything because I like their music. Knowing that the statements made were made with a sense of humor makes a WORLD of difference though. I can fully understand and respect a “Here’s your autograph pal, but I’ve got places to be and can’t chat” attitude. In fact, that’s what I’d expect. I don’t have much tolerance for people who are disrespectful to their fans, but that’s clearly not the case here.
That said, I’m still nervous.
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 07:34:21
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Wow. This sure has taken a turn towards good vs. evil.
I guess I'll be evil- but just this time. Besides, evil is WAY more "rock and roll".
Some artists find the "juice" to be friendly. Others may feel like they have been holding their breath on stage for an hour and a half and just need to get the hell away. All I'm saying is, fans and artists alike, can be needy bitches. And honestly, to me, all this is barely a side bar to a fantastic career by a unique artist. Also, I bet if Charles gave a damn about being "rock and roll", he would say he had to go shoot heroin instead of calling his family anyway.
Frank has made himself pretty dang accessible at his shows, so it can't be too surprising to him if some one comes up and says "hi, could I have a minute?". He is not this monster everybody is trying to turn this thread into. He is, at very worst, maybe surprisingly private. That throws some folks off- but it certainly isn't bad. Maybe surpising to some, but not bad.
And lastly, if Frank sat down and had a 45 min BS session with me, out of the blue, I would not feel any more special about myself. Maybe that's a chick thing. I dunno. All it would do for me is grow the already huge amount of respect I have for the man as being a regular guy as well as a great artist. Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
Nothing wrong with passing on a few warm fuzzies. Even when you're working. |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 08:08:39
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Frank - You were once a duster(drinker) yourself so please be easy on us dusting folk. And please play In the time of my Ruin and Fastman in Toronto. These tunes are very rad.
I will be quite dusted, and unfortunately, I will most likely sing along too loudly and maybe even stalk you in the pisser for an autograph on my pint glass.
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brentnc
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 10:18:23
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Frank the show was fantastic. Best I have seen all year.
I am not sure why folks think they have to meet or talk to artists they admire. For me i think it kills a little of the mystique an artist has when you meet them. They owe you nothing more than the show you paid to see. Do people think they will become friends with them? Do people think they will be invited to go on tour or something? I can understand maybe wanting some memorabilia signed or something but for me the music and the memories of the music is enough.
Funny story.... one time I went with my brother and his buddies to see a natalie merchant concert. My brothers best friends used to be absolutely obsessed with Natalie Merchant. Anyway my brothers friend dragged us and we found ourselves waiting by her tour buss to meet her LOL. My obsessive aquintance actually pulled a hair off of Natalie Merchants shoulder to keep!!!!!!
Anyway Frank I hope Asheville was kind to you and I sincerely hope that you play here again and keep us in mind next time you tour. |
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 11:45:48
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Extreme views on this subject!
What does the artist OWE ME??
Become FRIENDS with the artist??
Obsession?? Invited on tour?? What the Fuh..??
It's all about being friendly! Holy fuckoli! Being friendly if the artist decides to make himself accessible (as FB has) That's it! O Help me God and tiny diaper baby Jesus Christ make this go away! I'm no good at evil. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 12:18:00
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Originally posted by ScottP
Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
At my Safeway they make a point to look at every credit card receipt and say "Thank you Mr. X". They always fuck up my name. So, I prefer the quiet checker. |
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 12:37:25
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
At my Safeway they make a point to look at every credit card receipt and say "Thank you Mr. X". They always fuck up my name. So, I prefer the quiet checker.
Dark, indeed. I love people. Even if they fuck my name up.
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moksha23x
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 12:45:48
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Originally posted by ScottP
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
At my Safeway they make a point to look at every credit card receipt and say "Thank you Mr. X". They always fuck up my name. So, I prefer the quiet checker.
Dark, indeed. I love people. Even if they fuck my name up.
"You Can't Ever change your mind,
No, You can't save the preacher's daughter..
and the Lord knows I've been tryin every day.
I will never get through to you,
ahh but honey if I do,
......I'll be SINGIN' ALL THE WAY
......I'll be SINGIN' ALL THE WAY" |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 12:55:45
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Originally posted by ScottP
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
At my Safeway they make a point to look at every credit card receipt and say "Thank you Mr. X". They always fuck up my name. So, I prefer the quiet checker.
Dark, indeed. I love people. Even if they fuck my name up.
Well, not all of us do. So, perhaps don't be too surprised if we don't all display what you think is proper behavior. |
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rodney
- FB Fan -
USA
127 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 13:36:37
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People who like signed cds like them because it's a permanent memory of a show and an encounter, though nearly always very brief, with an artist that they respect. In my study, I have signed record albums framed and hanging up, and a little shelf with my signed CDs. They're nice conversation pieces and nice souveniers of the shows that I got them signed at. If you don't understand that, or see the point in it, that's fine, but it's not hardly a new concept. I think one of the nicest things about this kind of music is that the people involved are just regular guys and gals and if there's time, they don't mind shaking your hand and signing something, and yes, even sometimes they'll go out a local watering hole for a drink with you.
Maybe they'll even invite you out on the road with them. It's happened before.......... |
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lumpy
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 13:57:29
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| Exactly! I'm just happy with my signed CD and setlist. What more can I ask for that's brought me some of the best music I've ever heard? |
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 14:35:39
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
At my Safeway they make a point to look at every credit card receipt and say "Thank you Mr. X". They always fuck up my name. So, I prefer the quiet checker.
Dark, indeed. I love people. Even if they fuck my name up.
Well, not all of us do. So, perhaps don't be too surprised if we don't all display what you think is proper behavior.
I'm sorry, have I given an indication on what I consider proper behavior? |
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moksha23x
- FB Fan -
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 15:08:36
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Originally posted by rodney
People who like signed cds like them because it's a permanent memory of a show and an encounter, though nearly always very brief, with an artist that they respect. In my study, I have signed record albums framed and hanging up, and a little shelf with my signed CDs. They're nice conversation pieces and nice souveniers of the shows that I got them signed at. If you don't understand that, or see the point in it, that's fine, but it's not hardly a new concept.
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Originally posted by lumpy
Exactly! I'm just happy with my signed CD and setlist. What more can I ask for that's brought me some of the best music I've ever heard?
What more could you ask for?
Maybe a locket of his hair that you could put in some sort of pagan ceremonial brew or better yet create a Frank Black Bobblehead with Real Hair.......oh yeah he's bald why not a chunk of skin from his baldness.
What about like a pair of his socks from the night he played......great conversation piece anyway............People would be like "What's that stink" (I'm sorry if I'm insinuating anyone's feet may stink after they perform but mine certainly would.....shit they stink after I just watch a performance.)
If anyone's curious that's a Jack Kerouac doll (that I put FB's Head on) released by the Lowell Spinners (Lowell,MA my hometown and JK's, Spinners being the AA Baseball team)...He didn't go to ULowell (Jack Kerouac, that is) but he went to Lowell High and was a Damn good Football Player....he went on to play Division I at Columbia...and continued and evolved into a damn good writer
FB went to Umass but not UMass Lowell, ... he went to UMass Amherst and went on to become a damn good musician and writer
And they both somehow ended up meeting in this post in the form of a photoshopped Bobblehead doll....Who would've thought ?? |
Edited by - moksha23x on 10/19/2006 15:23:10 |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 15:23:18
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Originally posted by ScottP
I'm sorry, have I given an indication on what I consider proper behavior?
Really? Starting with, "An obvious brush off- he has all day to talk to his family." And carrying on throughout the rest of thread. |
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 15:37:04
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I stated clearly that these are things I want as a fan. Or, would wish for. Or, would just want to talk about. I never drew a line in the sand as to what is proper behavior.
If Frank started stabbing everyone who said hello to him in the stomach with a knife, then maybe we are talking about improper behavior. But other than that, its been nothing but superficial gab. Well,...to me anyway. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 21:24:17
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Originally posted by Superabound666
I ran accross this fitting article on the web
"Drunken Notes at the Frank Black Show, 4/25/97"
By Tom Painless @ http://iwhome.com/ComicNews/cols.html which seems to prove out 3 things. 1) People get drunk at FB shows. 2) &3) FB has altered Los Angeles before to include both 2525 and coming into los angeles. The excerpt follows -
wanna live in los angeleeze
not the one in south california
'they got one in south patagonia"
medleys into both
"in the year 2525"
by zager and evans
and "coming into los angeles"
by arlo guthrie
and back into his own song
what a guy!- end of excerpt.
For the record - im high at the shows and not drunk since im so safety conscious. and 1 last question - did he play some of coming into los angeles in Asheville? i only caught 2525 ... but i was really high at the time. btw, this is 1 fan that would not give FB a hard time about the solo carerr - i much prefer his solo work and wish he would paly it at pixies shows instead of the other way around. I travel to see the pixies also but its only because i cant see the master playing his best material. I saw the pixies reunion tour at Bumbershoot in Seattle and missed them when they were in Raleigh....arggg... but I did catch them at Duke before the break up ...
i remember a radio interview back in the day where Frank talked about the futuristic aspect of "Los Angeles" and said it was about a fictional, futuristic Los Angeles of the future. like the "one in 2525". or BLADE RUNNER
at least that's what your mom said |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:13:42
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You Americans have no savoir-vivre. Before chatting with the Man, we French fans never fail to give Him a bottle of Châteauneuf-du-Pape (not the one from California, the one from Francia), a piece of real cheese (forget your cheddar) and a fresh saucisson from Corsica. Not only because the Man is a gourmet, but also because such offerings are a true and obvious sign of respect and refinement. That's what the Man deserves, at least, and that's how things work or should work in the civilized world.
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BLACKOLERO le only Frank Black / Pixies site 100% in français |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:45:09
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Originally posted by ScottP
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by ScottP
Like if you go into Safeway and the checker says nothing. Your still gonna go back to Safeway. But, if the checker is friendly, you leave with a good feeling like, "hey, we're all just trying to get by and maybe this old world ain't so mean after all".
At my Safeway they make a point to look at every credit card receipt and say "Thank you Mr. X". They always fuck up my name. So, I prefer the quiet checker.
Dark, indeed. I love people. Even if they fuck my name up.
Well, not all of us do. So, perhaps don't be too surprised if we don't all display what you think is proper behavior.
I'm sorry, have I given an indication on what I consider proper behavior?
Isn't that what started this whole thing?
Personally, I don't really care if someone pretends to know me or reads my name off a credit card. The fact that they're trained to say "Thank you Mr. X" and don't engage in any other conversation that isn't prescripted is at the very least annoying. Having them screw up your name only underscores that the whole thing is a farce.
That said, a friendly teller that isn't dead inside or might show the least signs of interest in talking to the person on the other side of the cash register is definitely a good thing. Just don't give me this fake and prescripted routine that I don't buy.
 "Now you're officially my woman. Kudos. I can't say I don't envy you." |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 10:31:34
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Safeway is the worst for that... One more "Thank you Mr. Wilson" and I'm going to suggest that they charge the bill to "Mr. Wilson" as well. Oh, and Safeway brand products are terrible.
maybe I'll kick it
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 11:26:26
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| My example got pretty butchered. It's pretty obvious when some one is being sincere. And I appreciate it. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 11:40:54
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Originally posted by speedy_m
Safeway is the worst for that... One more "Thank you Mr. Wilson" and I'm going to suggest that they charge the bill to "Mr. Wilson" as well. Oh, and Safeway brand products are terrible.
maybe I'll kick it
I'm fine with being called Mister. It's not insulting at all. It's an attempt to be formal and evoke earlier times. What's truly disingenuous is the "Would you like help out to your car with that?" when it's a plastic sack containing two pints of Ben and Jerry's. Now that is insulting.
 When do I get my first bee, damnit? |
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 12:24:51
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| Being that I have no arms, I appreciate that too. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 12:48:20
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You need to know your rights, ScottP. In this country, you have the right to bear arms. (But you don't have the right arm bears.)
When do I get my first bee, damnit? |
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moksha23x
- FB Fan -
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 13:32:31
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Ok......first I'd like to iterate a disclaimer of sorts. I originated in the northeast and have a strong tendency towards sarcasm. I also come from a family of five...the oldest, and have a tendency to take everything too far....purely for entertainment value. So Scott P, I apologize this is just in fun now.....I'd also like to apologize to you Scott P. if you really have no arms (and to anyone with no arms) I'm not poking fun at that.....I am not that cold
Scott P.'s not asking much, this is all he wants (image below) :
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 14:01:25
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That's fuckin hilarious. Frank is a bear and everything. Ha! How did you know that Lionel train smoke seeps from my stumps?
I lost my arms in a tragic autograph seeking accident where Axl Rose rolled them up in the limo window and told the driver to gas it. |
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moksha23x
- FB Fan -
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 14:08:25
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Ha! How did you know that Lionel train smoke seeps from my stumps?
LOL.......Youre funny...Lionel Train Smoke?? lol |
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hollomatt
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 14:56:02
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| If his kids were on the west coast it would only be 8:30pm. Just a thought. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 15:00:38
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by speedy_m
Safeway is the worst for that... One more "Thank you Mr. Wilson" and I'm going to suggest that they charge the bill to "Mr. Wilson" as well. Oh, and Safeway brand products are terrible.
maybe I'll kick it
I'm fine with being called Mister. It's not insulting at all. It's an attempt to be formal and evoke earlier times. What's truly disingenuous is the "Would you like help out to your car with that?" when it's a plastic sack containing two pints of Ben and Jerry's. Now that is insulting.
When do I get my first bee, damnit?
I guess I should have been more clear. I don't mind being called "Mister". The issue is my last name is not Wilson. Apparently glancing at my credit card for .005 seconds doesn't allow enough time to read my last name as anything other than "Wilson".
maybe I'll kick it
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 15:26:36
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Originally posted by coastline
What's truly disingenuous is the "Would you like help out to your car with that?" when it's a plastic sack containing two pints of Ben and Jerry's. Now that is insulting.
at least he didn't say "need some help with that, fatty?"
at least that's what your mom said |
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 18:06:28
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I am glad this thread has gone silly. None of it meant a whole lot. Sorry FB if I raised your hackles. Ms. Thing, I didn't mean to send you into defendo mode. It's all love. Really.
My arms grew back, but as lobster pinchers. Great for slide. Never drop a pick. Hope to shake Axl's hand someday. Snip! |
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gyaneshwar
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 18:15:16
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| Anyone have any pictures from Asheville? I saw tons of folks snapping pictures, and not just with their phones. |
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Oct. 17, 2006 - Asheville, NC
