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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 05/22/2006 : 22:34:07
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I am sure I will be in the minority on this but I think Disc 2 is better than Disc 1. The biggest difference for me is it seems to rock harder and seems to be more upbeat. I love Disc 1 but at the moment Disc 2 speaks to me more. It feels more like Classic Frank Black to me.
In The Time Of My Ruin, Elijah, It's Just Not Your Moment, The Real El Rey, Sad Old World are all classics. I can't believe he was going to leave them off the CD. I have always viewed the 4 left over tracks from Honeycomb as some of the best songs from that session. I understand why they didn't make Honeycomb as they are more uptempo and rock more than the rest of Honeycomb but man do they fit really well on this disc.
Like I said I love Disc 1 as well. If Your Poison Gets You, Johnny Barleycorn & Fastman are all amazing. Fastman is actually my favorite song off of both albums but I just seem to prefer disc 2 overall.
Fast Man/Raider Man is my most enjoyable Frank Black album since Dog In The Sand.
Great job Frank & Jon.
Dan
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scruvs
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 01:41:52
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Originally posted by Carl
I'm afraid to listen to it, even though I've already heard a few songs. I kind of want to wait for the official release!
I'm with you Carl.
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2006 : 04:09:54
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amazon.co.uk has the FMRM release date for the local/uk CD as 5th June.
As good as that would be, is it likely? As the 19th seems to be standard everywhere else.
(( I'm a Snake... cut in half 'cause I'm not the one you needed. )) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 07:10:51
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Nope, not very... they may get their copies to be mailed out on June 5th possibly, but otherwise no reason they should get a two week jump on everyone.
 "If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 02:03:26
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amazon.fr also lists FMRM with a June 5th release date. cookingvinyl.com has 2 different dates announced, June 16th and 19th. I know I've found the last 2 or 3 FB albums in my record store the Friday before the actual release date, so who knows.
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 04:43:46
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Denis, the Fm/Rm you mention is an import (probably the Japanese edition incl. a bonus track). I ordered it yesterday. According to the order confirmation it actually shouldn't be available before the end of July.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 05/24/2006 : 09:44:10
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Originally posted by scruvs
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Originally posted by Carl
I'm afraid to listen to it, even though I've already heard a few songs. I kind of want to wait for the official release!
I'm with you Carl.
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Boy, you sure can holler.
Pull up a chair! We'll wait together in solidarity, brother!
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whitefrancis
- FB Fan -
Australia
53 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 10:38:30
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i said in my post in the 'disappointing first listen' thread that there were 5-6 good songs and the rest was 'boring, banal old man music', well for banal old man music, they're either pretty infectious or i'm getting old. possibly both. have to admit to liking more of them after about 20 or so listens.
these are the ones i'm liking for whatever reason:
if your poison gets you
johnny barleycorn -sooooo springsteen)
fast man
dirty old town -'i'm goin ta build...a good sharp axe!' YEEEAAAH!
wanderlust
seven days - brass bits hook me
dog sleep
golden shore
in the time of my ruin -still my fave. i love you frank.
my terrible ways
it's just not your moment -for the 'gone to my head, got to get movin'
sad world - 'hello. no i mean you.' LOL!! dont know why, just love it
don't cry that way
fare thee well
now, half the genres on fm/rm i hate/loathe/am bored by. but frank & co. perform them with aplomb. i've resigned myself to the fact now that there will probably not be another album like teenager or s/t, basically another effort of pixies gene pool rock, so from now on i'm just going to enjoy every frank release for what it is, knowing that with each release there will be songs i do like and remember that frank's obviously going to make the music he enjoys and he's not making albums for myself alone. (damn).
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 11:35:53
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Originally posted by 1965
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Originally posted by theonecontender
Am I the only one who hasn't heard it yet?
1c is sad
I haven't heard it either... Apart from the few podcast/stream tracks.
The songs sound good, but frustrating as they are out of context with the rest of the album.
When I finally get a chance to share my thoughts on 19th June - you guys will probably be over FMRM and be talking about the FB/EDF record instead.
Anyway, I am very happy that the album is a double, but what are the thoughts on the original KG selections below for the single-disc version, would we have missed a gem or three?
1.If Your Poison Gets You
2.Johnny Barleycorn
3.Fast Man
4.You Can't Crucify Yourself
5.Dirty Old Town
6.Wanderlust
7.Seven Days
8.Raider Man
9.End of Summer
10.Dog Sleep
11.When The Paint Grows Darker Still
12.I'm Not Dead (I'm In Pittsburgh)
13.Golden Shore
(( I'm a Snake... cut in half 'cause I'm not the one you needed. ))
If Ken Goes really had all these 27 songs to choose from, the single-disc version is a little strange, as it would have left out obvious classics, but it makes sense as an "Album", everything in the right place, the last few songs kind of mellow (is this one of the cliches Frank has embraced, the last song has to be very calm?).
'Sad Old World' is one of the greatest songs Frank has ever written. At first I thought it was a cover, it sounds like an old classic or something. And his singing on it is fantastic. I imagine it's not the easiest track to sing. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/25/2006 : 01:23:59
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I've heard a total of 4, which draws me 2 this thread instead of the other.
1 is so so. 1 is pretty cool. 2 are truly frank inspired, 1 of which i can't get out of my head (iMo)
Excellente 2
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
64 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 03:24:12
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How about Holland Town? I thought that song was a little silly at first but then I actually listened to it. No one except Frank could write something like this, it's genius.
"I used to see you at the Ratskellar/sarcasm of a young feller/tall and mean between the pillars/before you drowned/in a Holland town/you were still the muscle man/when I saw you in a nether land/alcohol and speed were friends/you cycled around in a Holland town" |
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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
633 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 12:00:16
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I must be going through similar emotions/music-phases as Frank Black; this FMRM totally connects with me.
Every song sounds different within its set limits. Frank is king of variation and making 'the familiar' new and unique. It's a nice mix. There's so much space between the instruments. It's almost as if I'm sitting between each performer, instead of of standing in front.
Even more instruments are introduced in this album; also the feel of songs(bouncey, or delicate, etc). I'll be visiting this whole Honeycomb/FMRM era more frequently (than the other albums) much when I'm 50 years old.
Also, two thumbs up for the bass playing. I'd like to meet whoever did that.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 13:12:02
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Let me start off by saying that I love Frank (as you well know, even though I haven't been to this board in...oh...probably over a year.)
But "Honeycomb" and "Fast Man Raider Man" (at least what I've heard so far...the 3 myspace tracks) have lost me. They are not crappy, by far...he is too much of a consumate musician and talented artist to ever release something that would be in that category.
But they are boring. I like rock and these albums definitely do not "rock." They've lost me. As of right now, "Show Me Your Tears" is the last album in the catalogue that I will ever really spin.
I'm assuming the new solo tour (opening for Foo Fighters -- which is, in itself, quite disappointing...though great for Frank's exposure) will not include any self-titled/Teenager/Cult/Catholics material (or perhaps a very little of the latter). And, therefore, my friends, I shall not be attending.
I'm afraid the heyday of the Frank I've known and loved is simply over. Which saddens me. |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 15:10:57
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Originally posted by PsychicTwin
...I'm afraid the heyday of the Frank I've known and loved is simply over. Which saddens me.
Don't give up just yet... As an example: Neil Young did six very ordinary albums between 1982-88 then produced some of his finest work after that period. In 10 or 20 years time we/others can look back at FB's Nashville phase and appreciate it in the context of his whole career. Btw I am not saying Honeycomb & FMRM are ordinary, they are different, but still of high quality I believe.
Don't put the cue in the rack just yet, FB can & will rock again.
(( I'm a Snake... cut in half 'cause I'm not the one you needed. )) |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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Posted - 05/25/2006 : 15:22:20
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http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3015&whichpage=47
Posted by frnck blck - 05/19/2006 : 23:40:10
well, i hope you like fmrm, i suppose it "rocks" a bit more than honeycomb; i'm not sure. i think the NEXT one is gonna rock hard. not cuz i pan it out that way. i don't plan any of this stuff. i just write. it comes out the way that it comes out. if you try to force it a particular way it kind of loses the spirit. i think thought the newest stuff i've been working on rocks.
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 15:51:40
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Originally posted by PsychicTwin
I'm assuming the new solo tour (opening for Foo Fighters -- which is, in itself, quite disappointing...though great for Frank's exposure) will not include any self-titled/Teenager/Cult/Catholics material (or perhaps a very little of the latter). And, therefore, my friends, I shall not be attending.
Actually, at Frank's two recent solo gigs in San Francisco, he played a whole mess of songs from his 1993-2003 era. Let me check the two review threads and post a list:
Bullet
Superabound
End of Miles
I'll Be Blue
Manitoba
The Marsist
Men in Black
I Heard Ramona Sing
California Bound
All My Ghosts
Horrible Day
Western Star
Calistan
Robert Onion
Los Angeles
Nadine
Abstract Plain
Headache
Back to Rome
Parry the Wind High, Low
Kicked in the Taco
The Last Stand of Shazeb Andleeb
I Need Peace
Jane the Queen of Love
Humboldt County Massacre
Massif Centrale
If It Takes All Night
Holy smokes, that's more than I even thought! He hadn't even played stuff like "Ramona" and "Kicked in the Taco" for years and years; I was never expecting to see them pop up again. So, uh...yeah, don't write off his live shows yet.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 17:38:44
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2006 : 02:59:58
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gee, thanks Frog. I didn't even know Frank had posted there.
Denis
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2006 : 12:22:17
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Originally posted by floop
i'm looking forward to hearing FMRM, but, to be honest, not as much as i'm looking forward to the Frank / Eric Drew Feldman stuff that will (presumably) follow.
Dead Man's Curve and the Rabbit song sound better than any of the tracks i've heard from FM/RM
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2006 : 17:41:30
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"If Your Poison Gets You" I think the vocals are FB at his most charming.
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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
633 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2006 : 17:39:10
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Again, I really like FMRM and have been listening to it nonstop ever since receiving the promo...
but there are 2 huge problems (IMHO) Frank has been including in his music lately:
1) Please, no more saxophone. I'm sure the saxophonist is a great guy and really talented, but this instruments does not make sense to fans since the Pixies. We're too young. It simply reminds us of that weird/annoying guy from the Saturday Night Live band or any other romantic comedy from the 1980s (Police Academy, Better Off Dead, etc). The Grunge age killed the saxophone, while the recent Indie permits the trumpet, trombone, clarinet, oboe, etc.
2) Singing out of tune destroys the songs. This reveals little effort on the singer’s part. It’s understood that singing sharp or flat can be done to emphasize a point (or melodic texture) and a sour note here and there makes a song seem even more human, but there are some really off notes, turning a potential beauty to an ‘acceptable.’
That’s all. I mean, Frank has done wonders with the Honeycomb/FMRM era and I wish there was book that would somehow tie this whole phase together: story after story, making sense of this all. I don’t think there should be that much ‘mystery’ about what was running through his head. A lot of question and fan uncertainties would be resolved. Anyway… |
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teh sharkie
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Posted - 05/27/2006 : 18:52:22
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"while the recent Indie permits" - guffaw
teh tenor and baritone sax have been used on other fb albums btw |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2006 : 20:27:47
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Originally posted by Kirk
[navy]Again, I really like FMRM and have been listening to it nonstop ever since receiving the promo...
but there are 2 huge problems (IMHO) Frank has been including in his music lately:
1) Please, no more saxophone. I'm sure the saxophonist is a great guy and really talented, but this instruments does not make sense to fans since the Pixies. We're too young. It simply reminds us of that weird/annoying guy from the Saturday Night Live band or any other romantic comedy from the 1980s (Police Academy, Better Off Dead, etc). The Grunge age killed the saxophone, while the recent Indie permits the trumpet, trombone, clarinet, oboe, etc.
Reminds me of Bowie. The sax; not FMRM (which I haven't heard a lick from). |
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windupbird
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Posted - 05/27/2006 : 21:37:26
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If you want to hear a great album with a brass section, check out Iggy Pop's "New Values". Fucking great record. Just goes to show...
I remember there was a rumor on this board about Frank recording a song with mongolian throat singers doing backup vocals. Now THAT would be really cool. Or bagpipes, maybe?
Anyway, I've only heard a couple of tracks from FMRM and I do have to say, I'm not sure what to expect but it sounds great so far. "If your poison gets you" is stuck on permanent rotation in my head.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2006 : 07:21:35
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Disc one is Ken Goes' selection?
And he hates Kiss My Ring?
Well I love the song and preffer disc 2 by a thousand miles.
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Originally posted by Kirk
[navy2) Singing out of tune destroys the songs. This reveals little effort on the singer’s part. It’s understood that singing sharp or flat can be done to emphasize a point (or melodic texture) and a sour note here and there makes a song seem even more human, but there are some really off notes, turning a potential beauty to an ‘acceptable.’ [/navy]
What's out of tune? There are so many notes between the notes. All the singer's humanity is in that. Those who don't understand that can buy a vocoder, it allways sings in tune!
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2006 : 07:38:25
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The singer of the Meat Puppet was allways ashamed he couldn't sing in tune.
Listen the album "Up in the sun", it's ALLWAYS out of tune, and it's so beautifull.
On the (fake) last Meat Puppett album ("golden lies"), he got himself a vocoder.
If it was Elton John who had sung FMRM, no doubt he would have allways been in tune.
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kotvana
- FB Fan -
Israel
102 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2006 : 08:06:19
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After hearing both cd's 5-6 times i can say that as a whole cd2 is much better. From @fitzy@ to the end (last song is not great) it's pure pleasent. much more than HONEYCOMB and almost as good as DITS.
i'm tallking about something like @the expreience of listening@. the songs link together very well!
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2006 : 09:40:45
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frankoholic
- FB Fan -
Belgium
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Posted - 05/28/2006 : 23:05:06
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Originally posted by PsychicTwin
But they are boring. I like rock and these albums definitely do not "rock." They've lost me.
There's more to rock than a drumbeat, and Fitzgerald f.e. might no seem to rock at first listen but the lyrics are so good there's no need for a heavy guitar riff. And I love the arrangements on FMRM. So far. |
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dr.Evil
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Posted - 05/30/2006 : 01:59:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Kirk
Again, I really like FMRM and have been listening to it nonstop ever since receiving the promo...
but there are 2 huge problems (IMHO) Frank has been including in his music lately:
1) Please, no more saxophone. I'm sure the saxophonist is a great guy and really talented, but this instruments does not make sense to fans since the Pixies. We're too young. It simply reminds us of that weird/annoying guy from the Saturday Night Live band or any other romantic comedy from the 1980s (Police Academy, Better Off Dead, etc). The Grunge age killed the saxophone, while the recent Indie permits the trumpet, trombone, clarinet, oboe, etc.
2) Singing out of tune destroys the songs. This reveals little effort on the singer’s part. It’s understood that singing sharp or flat can be done to emphasize a point (or melodic texture) and a sour note here and there makes a song seem even more human, but there are some really off notes, turning a potential beauty to an ‘acceptable.’
That’s all. I mean, Frank has done wonders with the Honeycomb/FMRM era and I wish there was book that would somehow tie this whole phase together: story after story, making sense of this all. I don’t think there should be that much ‘mystery’ about what was running through his head. A lot of question and fan uncertainties would be resolved. Anyway…
The grunge age was a bad age, better of dead was a good movie and there are (sampled?) horns on FB selftitled, right?
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
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Posted - 05/30/2006 : 09:22:04
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Grotesque: for sour notes check out My Terrible Ways, that one has lots of saxophone in it too :)
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 05/30/2006 : 11:15:32
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Yes.. My terrible ways is one of my favourites. Perfect melody unpredictable untill you learn it note by note.
That's why the first listen is not significative.
The song I don't really get is El real el Rey. Strange, really. Do the words have ANY meaning at all?
When I get to that song, I am a bit lost. Like if Frank was playing it as a somnambulist. |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2006 : 21:40:03
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june 19th right? that when this records out right? downloads are great when rare but this is a dbl cd with artwork and shit.
i'll wait my turn. |
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 05/31/2006 : 08:07:35
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I'm sorry, but since Frank and The Catholics split up, I haven't been this disinterested and frankly, embarrassed by Frank's output since Cult of Ray.
FB&TCs had balls. This music has a scar where the balls once were.
Yes, I know the pedigree and history and greatness of ALL the players on the album including Frank and Jon Tiven himself, but this is weak. Frank's voice is not good on this material. The playing could have been ANYONE...none of this sounds inspired to me at all.
Chalk it up to the fact that I haven't hit that "Middle Age - fuck you all - I like whatever I like no matter what you think of it - look how ironic I am that I use to push the envelope, now I just sit fatly in the envelope - Selfish Music" phase of my life. I'm not going to blow smoke up the ass of the producer just because he posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It suprises me that Jon Tiven would post at all. I think it's very lame to pander to the fans and try and "sell" it to the fans. You can post and comment and answer questions and STILL REMAIN SEPERATE from your work on this album, but he hasn't.
I'm going to like Frank Black till I die. I will be proud of MOST of his output. Some things won't register the same way with me as they do with others, that's life, but since we're all sharing our opinions...this is mine. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2006 : 23:34:48
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Originally posted by dr.Evil
quote:
Originally posted by Kirk
Again, I really like FMRM and have been listening to it nonstop ever since receiving the promo...
but there are 2 huge problems (IMHO) Frank has been including in his music lately:
1) Please, no more saxophone. I'm sure the saxophonist is a great guy and really talented, but this instruments does not make sense to fans since the Pixies. We're too young. It simply reminds us of that weird/annoying guy from the Saturday Night Live band or any other romantic comedy from the 1980s (Police Academy, Better Off Dead, etc). The Grunge age killed the saxophone, while the recent Indie permits the trumpet, trombone, clarinet, oboe, etc.
2) Singing out of tune destroys the songs. This reveals little effort on the singer’s part. It’s understood that singing sharp or flat can be done to emphasize a point (or melodic texture) and a sour note here and there makes a song seem even more human, but there are some really off notes, turning a potential beauty to an ‘acceptable.’
That’s all. I mean, Frank has done wonders with the Honeycomb/FMRM era and I wish there was book that would somehow tie this whole phase together: story after story, making sense of this all. I don’t think there should be that much ‘mystery’ about what was running through his head. A lot of question and fan uncertainties would be resolved. Anyway…
The grunge age was a bad age, better of dead was a good movie and there are (sampled?) horns on FB selftitled, right?
The horns on FB's selftitled album were provided by Kurt Hoffman (I believe), and John Linnell, who, of course, played saxaphone on the Dr. Evil theme song, which you seem to be somewhat familiar with.
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