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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 05/18/2006 : 09:39:37
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OK, equal time for positivity.
Feel free to weigh in, even if you disagree.
bye,
JT |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 10:24:54
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Im starting to love the cd. FAst Man and Dog Sleep are standouts for sure!
The Truth Is Out There |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 10:30:24
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Am I the only one who hasn't heard it yet?
1c is sad |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 10:38:53
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Dog Sleep is on the podcast. If Your Poison Gets You and Fitzgerald are on MySpace and more will be coming. So you can at least get started...
 "If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 10:49:51
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Mr. Tiven, your friend Al Franken would be very proud of your fair and balanced approach.
My biggest concern with the album at this point is disc 2's sonic disparity - the Honeycomb tracks stand out like a sore thumb. It almost sounds as if they were recorded at a lesser quality sonically than the rest of the album.
What has been the most pleasant surprise is the inclusion of a few songs that don't match the typical soul/country rock Nashville sound, like "Dog Sleep." It's a nice breath of fresh air.
-Brian
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 10:52:13
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Fm/Rm is Frank's "Blonde on Blonde".
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 blackolero le only Frank Black / Pixies site 100% in français |
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toeknee
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
281 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 11:43:53
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| The best (or most immediate) song is End Of The Summer, by a long way - I love the chord changes. Not so keen about some bits of My Terrible Ways: his voice really goes off-key in a couple of bits. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 12:13:20
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If I had to pick a most immediate song, it would go to Johnny Barleycorn. Dog Sleep is (still) my favourite, and I really enjoy a lot of songs like When the Paint, End of Summer, and Golden Shore. Wanderlust has some strong and weak points and depending on my mood I either really enjoy or dislike it.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 12:37:45
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Where's the "In the Time of My Ruin" love? Honest to God, I'm quickly believing it's one of the best songs ever cut by anyone ever. Blows my mind every time.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 12:43:52
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So tell me, Tiven, last year it was wrong to talk about the album before the actual release date, but this year you open up a thread to discuss the record, one month before the release? So I guess it's ok to download it then?
Denis
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:02:25
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Originally posted by Apesy
Where's the "In the Time of My Ruin" love? Honest to God, I'm quickly believing it's one of the best songs ever cut by anyone ever. Blows my mind every time.
-=Apesy
Yes one of my favorite too. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:06:35
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:28:21
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I sanction downloading only if it prefaces a purchase.
You were all discussing this well before I stepped in, I just have a bone to pick with discussing the album under a thread started by a naybob of negativism who insists on the egocentric behavior of naming the thread after his personal disappointment. Many of the responders were not disappointed. And if you want to disagree with my thread topic, that is your prerogative. I just got bummed out looking at the other topic, and so here we are.
Dear Brian, I am considering hiring a team of mafiosi to kidnap you and hold you hostage in Minnesota for the next eight years so you can enjoy Senator Al Franken from a closer vantage point. Only your seeming enjoyment of FMRM is preventing me from implementing it. As for the inclusion of the HONEYCOMB outtakes, we did everything we could to make them sonically akin to the rest of the album, so would you prefer we left them off? I think not.
To the rest of you, thanks for participating.
bye for now,
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:30:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
I have only heard a few song but I know they all rock!!!
how is that possible?
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:33:04
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i'm looking forward to hearing FMRM, but, to be honest, not as much as i'm looking forward to the Frank / Eric Drew Feldman stuff that will (presumably) follow.
Dead Man's Curve and the Rabbit song sound better than any of the tracks i've heard from FM/RM
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:41:27
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Originally posted by Jontiven
I sanction downloading only if it prefaces a purchase.
... I just have a bone to pick with discussing the album under a thread started by a naybob of negativism who insists on the egocentric behavior of naming the thread after his personal disappointment. Many of the responders were not disappointed.
Consider. He listened to the album once. He felt disappointed and wanted to discuss. Seeing no similar threads of discussion, he started a thread for this topic. It so happened that most of the respondents either disagreed that the album was disappointing or indicated that they felt the same way and have come around in subsequent listens.
I'm not sure I understand your objection on these grounds. If anything, you shouldn't get bummed about the thread because people have come and said that they enjoy it. Now if the thread were entirely on topic and everyone said they too felt the album a disappointment, it might be more on topic, but I would assume less pleasant for you (though still an equally valid thread).
So I suppose, if I understand correctly, you'd like the thread renamed because most of the people who replied either felt disappointed but have come around or else enjoyed from the beginning and you feel that the thread that Foucalt's Dog created about his first listen doesn't represent everyone who has posted in the thread. But his post nor thread title need only represent his opinion, just as your thread represents yours. So long as there isn't a ream of duplicate threads for "love it" or "disappointing first listen" or "really a grower" or what have you, I guess I don't see the problem. I certainly wouldn't call it egocentric to start a thread with a title based on your personal opinion, even if every single person disagreed with you.
Do you disagree?
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:42:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
Dear Brian, I am considering hiring a team of mafiosi to kidnap you and hold you hostage in Minnesota for the next eight years so you can enjoy Senator Al Franken from a closer vantage point. Only your seeming enjoyment of FMRM is preventing me from implementing it. As for the inclusion of the HONEYCOMB outtakes, we did everything we could to make them sonically akin to the rest of the album, so would you prefer we left them off? I think not.
bye for now,
JT
Sir, i am a big Franken fan. I was simply teasing you based on the title of his book. I'm an Air America listener and a card carrying member of the liberal left. Go Franken '06
-Brian
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 14:03:20
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Brian for President 
I wonder if Frank supports the liberal left too?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 14:40:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
Dear Brian, I am considering hiring a team of mafiosi to kidnap you and hold you hostage in Minnesota for the next eight years so you can enjoy Senator Al Franken from a closer vantage point.
Why would Al Franken only serve 2 years of his second 6 year term?
And if he runs it will be in 2008.
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Working on the T.V. show Emergency! was particularly nice because I was working with a real pro “Randy Mantooth” - Dick Van Patten |
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Don Eduardo
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
403 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 15:05:31
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Downloaded the album two weeks ago, and had it running constantly ever since. So far I'd have to say its better than honeycomb for sure, especially Disc One which I reckon is infinitely better than Disc Two (and yes I've given them equal listening time). That said, there's already a handful of songs that get me reaching for the skip button (My Terrible Ways, Real El Rey, Holland Town, Sad Old World), and I agree with Broken Face, the Honeycomb leftovers sound pretty flat, even Where The Wind Is Going, but its still my favourite song from the original Honeycomb leaked songs.
My faves so far - If Your Poison Gets You, Fast Man, Wanderlust, Seven Days, End Of The Summer, Time Of My Ruin, Fitzgerald, Its Just Not Your Moment, Where The Wind Is Going and Don't Cry That Way.
I guess it suffers from the problems of any double album, but I guess if it was a 17 or 18 song masterpiece (which it could have been) we'd all be crying for the b-sides and saying how good they were when we got them. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 15:19:35
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| I pretty much share Eduardo's opinion. (except for disc 1 being better than disc 2. I'd say there are the same amount of gems and songs that I skip on each discs) |
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 18:58:11
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Holland Town is one of my favorites. The only two that I'm not really into as of yet is "It's Just Not Your Moment" and "Kiss My Ring". The latter, because I feel the mix from the Honeycomb leak had a bit more,...how do you say, ooomph?
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
514 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 23:48:07
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| Excellence unbound indeed Mr.Tiven. After my estimated 10th listen i am really enjoying nearly every track on this album, i think Johnny Barleycorn is excellent and has the Blast off feel. I love alot of the other songs listed already but the ones that did not impress me much at first i'm really starting to enjoy such as, i'm not dead (i'm in pittsburgh), kiss my ring, down to you, fitgerald. I think this album is going to rank up there with TEENAGER, FB S/T, SMYT, BLD for me. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2006 : 01:57:56
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Heard 7 songs, and it made me think I definitly prefer Frank with subbtle arrangements (from Feldman, Tiven, 2 pale boys...) than direct right in the face approach.
More "cat" than "dog" if you see what I mean (I allways miss the ying/yang expression)
So many people just come to ask "Hey, when is he going to scream again".
Well, that ain't everybody. |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2006 : 03:55:23
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
I sanction downloading only if it prefaces a purchase.
... I just have a bone to pick with discussing the album under a thread started by a naybob of negativism who insists on the egocentric behavior of naming the thread after his personal disappointment. Many of the responders were not disappointed.
Consider. He listened to the album once. He felt disappointed and wanted to discuss. Seeing no similar threads of discussion, he started a thread for this topic. It so happened that most of the respondents either disagreed that the album was disappointing or indicated that they felt the same way and have come around in subsequent listens.
I'm not sure I understand your objection on these grounds. If anything, you shouldn't get bummed about the thread because people have come and said that they enjoy it. Now if the thread were entirely on topic and everyone said they too felt the album a disappointment, it might be more on topic, but I would assume less pleasant for you (though still an equally valid thread).
So I suppose, if I understand correctly, you'd like the thread renamed because most of the people who replied either felt disappointed but have come around or else enjoyed from the beginning and you feel that the thread that Foucalt's Dog created about his first listen doesn't represent everyone who has posted in the thread. But his post nor thread title need only represent his opinion, just as your thread represents yours. So long as there isn't a ream of duplicate threads for "love it" or "disappointing first listen" or "really a grower" or what have you, I guess I don't see the problem. I certainly wouldn't call it egocentric to start a thread with a title based on your personal opinion, even if every single person disagreed with you.
Do you disagree?
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
Well done mod, Freedom of speech and all that.
I'm feeling a bit of this ego again |
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Teafer
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/19/2006 : 04:39:45
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
I sanction downloading only if it prefaces a purchase.
... I just have a bone to pick with discussing the album under a thread started by a naybob of negativism who insists on the egocentric behavior of naming the thread after his personal disappointment. Many of the responders were not disappointed.
Consider. He listened to the album once. He felt disappointed and wanted to discuss. Seeing no similar threads of discussion, he started a thread for this topic. It so happened that most of the respondents either disagreed that the album was disappointing or indicated that they felt the same way and have come around in subsequent listens.
I'm not sure I understand your objection on these grounds. If anything, you shouldn't get bummed about the thread because people have come and said that they enjoy it. Now if the thread were entirely on topic and everyone said they too felt the album a disappointment, it might be more on topic, but I would assume less pleasant for you (though still an equally valid thread).
So I suppose, if I understand correctly, you'd like the thread renamed because most of the people who replied either felt disappointed but have come around or else enjoyed from the beginning and you feel that the thread that Foucalt's Dog created about his first listen doesn't represent everyone who has posted in the thread. But his post nor thread title need only represent his opinion, just as your thread represents yours. So long as there isn't a ream of duplicate threads for "love it" or "disappointing first listen" or "really a grower" or what have you, I guess I don't see the problem. I certainly wouldn't call it egocentric to start a thread with a title based on your personal opinion, even if every single person disagreed with you.
Do you disagree?
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
COF, congratulations. very well done. there's a funny smell coming from tiven... it's not the first of his posts that makes me think he's kind of very uptight (to be very very nice).
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2006 : 07:23:17
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It's not my intent to stir things up, just to clear them up, but thanks regardless.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2006 : 07:50:47
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I'm afraid to listen to it, even though I've already heard a few songs. I kind of want to wait for the official release!
Perhaps change the thread title to 'Fastmanraiderman---Excellence unbound, IMHO', Mr. Tiv! :)
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2006 : 10:21:35
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I've given it a few listens....the one I downloaded and burned from soulseek has better sound quality than Honeycomb (I hope the cd version I get when it comes out sounds the same).
...anyhow, I gave it a few listens and what can I say, even the less interesting songs, when sung by frank, sound good to me. It took me quite a few listens to get into Honeycomb, but I love it. After 2-3 listens of FMRM, I am already into it.
...by the way, good job MR.TIVEN!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 05/19/2006 : 10:26:36
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Excellence unbound, or
You decide!!
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/20/2006 : 03:02:27
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| This album's certainly growing on me. Still, the promise of the next one being 'rocking' as the Man describes in King Holds Court is pretty exciting. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 05/20/2006 : 10:19:35
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so far a grower for me. mixed feelings when i first heard it. but been listening to it for a week and really starting to like it. 27 tracks of frank! that's frank supersized! i'm lovin in the time of my ruin. also, really like if your poison gets you, when the paint grows darker still, johnny barleycorn, dog sleep, dirty old town, and raiderman.
i saw the movie elizabethtown last week and in one of the tracks playing in the background the song mentioned john barleycorn. not sure what the song was though. kind of bluesy. another good frank song for the song database.
cool that frank's touring. interested to know if it will be solo or with a backing band.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!" |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2006 : 10:51:07
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I know I'm not alone in occasionally bemoaning the Nashville Frank (to the extent that that doesn't mischaracterize what he's been doing), but this morning I used my vehicular errands to revisit Honeycomb for the first time in about three weeks and it REALLY made me glad he's doing what he's doing. Bring on FMRM, and if the Feldman material rocks more, I guess we'll just have to live with it. :-D
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2006 : 09:23:42
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The more I listen, the more I tend to think it's a the missing link between Black Letter Days and Honeycomb.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2006 : 11:05:26
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I'd argue between SMYT and Honeycomb, but yeah, definitely.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2006 : 18:10:43
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Originally posted by theonecontender
Am I the only one who hasn't heard it yet?
1c is sad
I haven't heard it either... Apart from the few podcast/stream tracks.
The songs sound good, but frustrating as they are out of context with the rest of the album.
When I finally get a chance to share my thoughts on 19th June - you guys will probably be over FMRM and be talking about the FB/EDF record instead.
Anyway, I am very happy that the album is a double, but what are the thoughts on the original KG selections below for the single-disc version, would we have missed a gem or three?
1.If Your Poison Gets You
2.Johnny Barleycorn
3.Fast Man
4.You Can't Crucify Yourself
5.Dirty Old Town
6.Wanderlust
7.Seven Days
8.Raider Man
9.End of Summer
10.Dog Sleep
11.When The Paint Grows Darker Still
12.I'm Not Dead (I'm In Pittsburgh)
13.Golden Shore
(( I'm a Snake... cut in half 'cause I'm not the one you needed. )) |
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