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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
665 Posts |
 Posted - 07/10/2003 : 12:49:00
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Since everyone seems to want my opinion of their tracks, maybe I should start a thread of Simon Cowell-like abuses. What do you think? I'd abuse my own track as well. Maybe we should wait until everyone hears the album and we can all abuse by committee.
www.mp3.com/clootie
Maybe it's just my thin skin, but as I'm already fearing the inevitable slings and arrows of the obsessive fan punditochracy, I can't imagine much worse than a thread of "official" abuse...
People are going to be harsh enough on their own without encouragement. 
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 13:42:37
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I'd love to hear the simon cowell reply to my track.
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 13:57:31
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Well for starters...
You're all fat and you're all ugly and Jesus hates you!
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 14:15:24
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| How did you know? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 21:41:46
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| Just listening to some of these masters and they are all exceptionally well done. I haven't gone through them all yet (I'm starting in reverse order), but those that I've listened to have really improved where I thought there was no need or room for improvement. He's really done a great job of making the songs feel more cohesive and also of accentuating what was already there as opposed to imposing his will upon the new songs. I never realized so much could be improved with levels after the mix was completed. I was looking forward to kicking back a little after a couple long and extremely busy weeks (with more to come), but I can't tear myself away. You guys have given me new appreciations for all of these songs. |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 23:05:55
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| That's great to hear Dean. You've made me more anxious (as if i wasn't already) to hear everyone's hard work. Let's fire 'em up if everything is cool. I think that on a fan site like this, the product is obviously gonna be one of love.. which is a very cool thing. Bring on the rock! |
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Zipperrock
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 03:39:29
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Sup fools!
I don't think it's necessary for everyone to send me CDs. It won't make that big of a difference.
www.mp3.com/clootie
Really? I was always a bit surprised that 192 was the requested norm for the submissions, as I've always heard that was about the lowest you could go while still retaining some semblance of clarity.
I'm happy to re-send another MP3 encoded at a higher rate or an AIFF / WAV file, if that will make the track sound better on the finished "record". Just let me know.
I would imagine everyone would be glad to do that if it really improved things...
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
Actually 192 is technically cd quality. although 320 is for real, the human ear cannot distiguish a difference in anything beyond 200, so past 192 you can really hear the change. unless of course your psychosomatically hearing it, which is what more people who think 192 is too low do. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 07:37:12
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I think over the course of popularity for MP3s, people have forgotten what they're all about: high quality audio at a high compression rate. After 192, you've got these much bigger files, with not a whole lot of difference from 192...it kind of kills the point. If you want actual 100% CD quality, then listen to the CD! I rip my CDs at 192 to my computer so that I can have all my music in one place without having to swap CDs when I want to hear a song. All the pirate groups who release albums before they're commercially available release the albums at 192. It's the perfect compromise between quality and compression. I laugh at all these other "standards" that will probably never amount to much more than a cult following whose resulting files are like 30MB. WOW! You shaved an entire 10MB off the file! Hardly worth it if you ask me.
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 08:20:40
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Listen to someone sparse like Joan Baez or Simon and Garfunkel and you'll hear the difference between 192 and 320. I could instantly hear a difference when Paul resent his version of "End of Miles" It's all about the high end and with most songs there's too much going on to notice the data compression.
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 10:17:07
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Listen to someone sparse like Joan Baez or Simon and Garfunkel and you'll hear the difference between 192 and 320. I could instantly hear a difference when Paul resent his version of "End of Miles"
Hey that's great Paul Simon covered End of Miles for this tribute! Can't wait to hear it.
-Derek |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 10:22:48
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Actually, I bet Paul Simon would do a really awesome version of that song. And that had me giggling aloud Derek. Not good office ettiquette.
PS Graceland is one of the best albums all time, hands down. Or up. Whatever. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 10:57:17
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Eh. Ah eh. Ah eh.
Somebody sing.. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 11:00:02
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| Somebody cry "why why why". |
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parker_airspace
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
63 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 11:11:46
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somebody say...... eh ah eh ah eh
- was smashed head on by a giant truck :( - Chris |
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 13:13:06
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Too bad our ol' pal J Mascis did not put one together for the comp.... |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 13:22:17
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| Woah... there's a blast from the past. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 13:53:53
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"And they all come to look for Velouriaaaaaa"
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 13:56:14
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| I have no idea what that means. Crazy SOB..... |
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 16:18:30
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Originally posted by Steak n Sabre
Too bad our ol' pal J Mascis did not put one together for the comp....
Hon... don't even say his name... he's like rumplestiltskin in that respect!!!!
"Sacred cows make the best burgers!"
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 17:54:27
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How about this:
"Like a Bridge Over Llano Llanoooooo..."
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 18:26:57
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I get it...
"Hello darkness my old black dawning..."
-Derek |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 21:15:58
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| And if i can call you Betty.. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 10:44:25
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Guys, if you haven't done so yet, I'm in the VERY final stages of this CD but I can't release it if you guys don't send me your track credits. Please email my AIRMAN account with credits in the following format:
Artist: Asterid
Track: His Kingly Cave
FB.Net Member(s): Cult_of_Frank, Speedy_M
Vocals: Russ Laidlaw
Backing Vocals: Dean Katsiris/Mike Velonas
Guitar/Drums: Mike Velonas
Keyboards: Dean Katsiris
Mixing: Dean Katsiris
Contact info: <email (1)> <website (1)> |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2003 : 23:59:45
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Alright, thanks everyone for getting back to me so quickly. For those that haven't, I've basically just assembled miscellaneous chunks of email correspondence and information from all over to fill in your credits. The CD will be available for download on the FrankBlack.Net FTP site (please don't try to get it off mine, as that account has been removed) by Tuesday, July 15, as I promised you oh-so-long-ago, as well as the B-sides. We have a few last minute things to touch up and polish.
I've burned the first copy, complete with artwork and the finals of all the tracks, and it looks, sounds, and feels great.
The B-sides are also going to be made available on Tuesday, so please check them out. There are some very well done tracks that were more close than I can tell you to being put on the CD.
I'm looking forward to your criticisms... :) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 00:00:52
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| Oh, Dave should be posting the CD launch in the news when it happens, so have no fear, you shouldn't miss it. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 00:09:12
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| Yeah...and please don't keep refreshing the main page, thank you and enjoy your decompression. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
665 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 06:07:24
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Yeah...and please don't keep refreshing the main page, thank you and enjoy your decompression.
Here's a question:
I have downloaded sveral things from the Frankblack.net FTP site, and on average, only about 1/3 of them will play on my Mac.
While they download completely and have icons that look the same as all the others, when I try to select them (to listen in Quicktime) or place them into iTunes 2 (I'm still running OS 9.something), I just get an error message that says they're not a file that my computer can recognize.
They all have MP3 suffixes, so I'm assuming it must have something to do with the way they were encoded by the individual users who submitted them, since this never seems to happen when I am downloading tracks from established servers like MP3.com, E-Music, or any variety of official band sites.
I wasn't able to successfully play back any of the "thank you" tracks from Dean's (Cult of Frank's) personal FTP site either. I got the same error message.
My question is, what is the actual difference between these tracks and the ones I can easily enjoy, and has anyone else suffered the same problems? If so, how did you remedy the situation?
I would hate to download the Tribute Album only to find out it is unlistenable or unburnable on my computer...
I anxiously await any information or advice.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 07:27:04
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Here's a question:
I have downloaded sveral things from the Frankblack.net FTP site, and on average, only about 1/3 of them will play on my Mac.
While they download completely and have icons that look the same as all the others, when I try to select them (to listen in Quicktime) or place them into iTunes 2 (I'm still running OS 9.something), I just get an error message that says they're not a file that my computer can recognize.
They all have MP3 suffixes, so I'm assuming it must have something to do with the way they were encoded by the individual users who submitted them, since this never seems to happen when I am downloading tracks from established servers like MP3.com, E-Music, or any variety of official band sites.
I wasn't able to successfully play back any of the "thank you" tracks from Dean's (Cult of Frank's) personal FTP site either. I got the same error message.
My question is, what is the actual difference between these tracks and the ones I can easily enjoy, and has anyone else suffered the same problems? If so, how did you remedy the situation?
I would hate to download the Tribute Album only to find out it is unlistenable or unburnable on my computer...
I anxiously await any information or advice.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
You're probably correct about the encoding technique. I'd bet someone could send you a burned CD and you could encode it yourself. Not sure how bad that would sound. You know: wav-to-MP3, MP3-to-wav (for the CD), then wav-to-MP3 again. I'll bet Atheist would know if that's a good idea or not.
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man =-
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2003 : 08:14:27
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Originally posted by peter radiator
[quote]
Here's a question:
I have downloaded sveral things from the Frankblack.net FTP site, and on average, only about 1/3 of them will play on my Mac.
While they download completely and have icons that look the same as all the others, when I try to select them (to listen in Quicktime) or place them into iTunes 2 (I'm still running OS 9.something), I just get an error message that says they're not a file that my computer can recognize.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
I too use a Mac with OS9 but I am able to listen etc to everything from the ftp site using the old SoundJam. Haven't tried them on Quicktime or iTunes. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 08:50:19
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Peter - If you can't get them to play on your Mac, then I'll send you a CD since you're a contributor. I'm using Sonic Foundry Vegas on a PC to convert everything. I'm assuming that since it's a more professional program and not some shareware MP3 player that the conversion quality is good. I have a Mac G4 with 9.xx and Itunes 2 as well and I don't recall having cross platform problems. I have had problems on my PC with shows downloaded from the FTP. I think it was the Lowlands Festival. I could play the MP3's, but my burner wouldn't burn a CD of them so I had to convert them to wav's. I'm not an MP3 expert because I'm an audiophile and think people's listening standards should get better with time, not worse - but I digress. It's probably some ID3 tag bullshit.
BTW - cvanepps - converting from MP3 to wav doesn't change the quality. It's like burning a DVD of something you had on videotape.
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
665 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 10:54:30
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Peter - If you can't get them to play on your Mac, then I'll send you a CD since you're a contributor. I'm not an MP3 expert because I'm an audiophile and think people's listening standards should get better with time, not worse - but I digress. It's probably some ID3 tag bullshit.
www.mp3.com/clootie
Thanks for the hard copy backup in the event I can't make a successful download. Perhaps others will be able to shed more light on the subject...
That's really funny about listening standards devolving over time.
I agree totally.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 11:06:54
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| Maybe it's your player..have you tried MacAmp? (Winamp for Mac?) |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 11:12:58
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BTW - cvanepps - converting from MP3 to wav doesn't change the quality. It's like burning a DVD of something you had on videotape.
www.mp3.com/clootie
Thanks, I always wondered about that. 
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man =-
http://christophervanepps.iuma.com |
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miguel
- FB Fan -
USA
213 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 15:49:33
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| I have an ibook with osx.2 and itunes 4. They all work OK for me but some open with the quicktime player rather than itunes. |
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Zipperrock
- FB Fan -
25 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 16:41:19
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| Is the tribute cd coming out tommorow or are we running behind schedule ? I'm really excited to hear all of the tracks together. I even made a winamp playlist of the songs being covered in order so I know how it flows. How dorky is that ?! |
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