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benji
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 Posted - 07/04/2006 : 03:11:25
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
The referee claims he was 100% sure that Rooney stamped on Carvalho on purpose. Liar. It's impossible to be 100% sure after many replays so at the time it was impossible.
(given that Ronaldo winked at the bench for one)
so, you're saying you can't be certain that rooney stamped on purpose, but you can be certain ronaldo winked at the bench?
sorry, i just see a problem with that.
it took rooney getting sent off to wake the english up - they had been playing very dull/unimaginative before that. i think if rooney had stayed on it would have stayed status quo. still would have gone to penalties, but the english would have played as equally dull as portugal and still loast on penalties....
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lonely persuader
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Ireland
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 03:20:55
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starmekitten
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 04:16:24
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But in all the playbacks the ref wasn't even looking at Rooney until that greasy Ronaldo got shoved for being an interfering little bitch. I honestly think that stamp was an accident, the guy was scrabbling around on the floor trying to keep possesion of the ball, he wasn't even looking where his foot was, it looked to me like he was just trying to get back on his feet. I don't even care and I was WTF'ing at that red card. I hate football. Stupid game. Stupid winking Ronaldo. Stupid penalties. Stupid world cup, is it nearly over?
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cassandra is
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 04:49:32
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There's 4 refs in a football game, not just one, and I don't think the ref would have given a red card just because Ronaldo told him what Rooney did, it would be too easy...About the "accidental thing", if you look back at the action, it's clear that he made it deliberately:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qQxDXlhUl7Q&search=rooney%20ricardo
It's clear there was a fault by Carvalho before, but Rooney had no right to stomp on his balls. It's just stupid and coward vengeance. And Carvalho wasn't trying to "keep possesion of the ball" when he was on the floor. Ha was just on the floor.
Anyway, you English bad losers seem to think that it's because of that incident that your team lost the match. But I don't think so, it's just because they played bad. One time again if you really want to blame someone for that you'd rather blame on Lampard, Gerrard, Robinson, Crouch or Beckham.
I mean the French played really bad at the beginning of this world cup, and that's what everyone was saying, it was not the fault of the other teams (even this story about the penalty not given by the ref was stupid and mean) it was just the fault of France, now they play good, and there's nothing more to say. Now Portugal is in semi-final, and there's nothing more to say. If you want to complain, come back in four years... 
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fbc
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 04:58:43
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We played bad, Portugal played worse. On Saturday, they wouldn't have scored in a brothel.
From what I saw of the incident, the ref gave a foul in Portugal's favour minus any card for Rooney's "offence". Only when Wayne shoved Ronaldo did the ref reach for the card, which was justified if the rules are you can't raise your hands against an opponent. I've seen the clip a few times and nothing has changed. I don't understand why people think Rooney was sent off for the stamp. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
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toeknee
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 06:16:15
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Originally posted by kelladwella
But toeknee, isn't the beauty of the k.o.-rounds that you can be 100% sure there will be at least one goal in every match?
Well I always assumed it was the score after ninety minutes, as bookmakers do. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 06:29:00
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
Calm down homer. If the ref think's it was on purpose, he has to send him off. You can't really complain about the sending off rooney. There has been alot worse sending's off. It's lucky Carvalho still has 2.
Calm down? I wasn't uncalm. It was others getting worked up over the fact Rooney got sent off. Big deal, I doubt we would have won anyway.
Calm down lonely!
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 06:34:21
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Originally posted by cassandra is
There's 4 refs in a football game, not just one, and I don't think the ref would have given a red card just because Ronaldo told him what Rooney did, it would be too easy...About the "accidental thing", if you look back at the action, it's clear that he made it deliberately:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qQxDXlhUl7Q&search=rooney%20ricardo
It's clear there was a fault by Carvalho before, but Rooney had no right to stomp on his balls. It's just stupid and coward vengeance. And Carvalho wasn't trying to "keep possesion of the ball" when he was on the floor. Ha was just on the floor.
Anyway, you English bad losers seem to think that it's because of that incident that your team lost the match. But I don't think so, it's just because they played bad. One time again if you really want to blame someone for that you'd rather blame on Lampard, Gerrard, Robinson, Crouch or Beckham.
I mean the French played really bad at the beginning of this world cup, and that's what everyone was saying, it was not the fault of the other teams (even this story about the penalty not given by the ref was stupid and mean) it was just the fault of France, now they play good, and there's nothing more to say. Now Portugal is in semi-final, and there's nothing more to say. If you want to complain, come back in four years...
pas de bras pas de chocolat
I agree, you can't blame the ref for us going out.
My comment was a side note, that I honestly don't believe the ref knew 100% that Rooney had stamped on Carvalho (in the way we all know 100% that Ronaldo didn't have something in his eye Benji ; ) )
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 06:35:59
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Anywho, this isn't fair on the teams that are still in it. England are out, end of.
I predict a Germany/France final. The Germany/Italy tie is the tougher to call I think. I am more confident of France progressing. I think they are starting to peak at the right time.
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lonely persuader
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 07:08:38
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
Calm down homer. If the ref think's it was on purpose, he has to send him off. You can't really complain about the sending off rooney. There has been alot worse sending's off. It's lucky Carvalho still has 2.
Calm down? I wasn't uncalm. It was others getting worked up over the fact Rooney got sent off. Big deal, I doubt we would have won anyway.
Calm down lonely!
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
WHAT, HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!!!!!
oh, right, im only messsing there...
ya, i think we are all in agrement that if england played better they might have deserved it (they had such an easy route to the quarters anyways so they already had their luck earlier in the tournament).
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lonely persuader
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 07:11:27
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Anywho, this isn't fair on the teams that are still in it. England are out, end of.
I predict a Germany/France final. The Germany/Italy tie is the tougher to call I think. I am more confident of France progressing. I think they are starting to peak at the right time.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
Indeed, I tipped France at the begining and got them at 13-1. A mate of mine stuck a tenner on them after the first 2 matches when they went out to 24-1. Nice odds there.
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kelladwella
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 07:58:41
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Germany 2 vs 1 Italy (Tues 4/7) how many different goalscorers will there be? 1
Portugal 2 vs 1 France (Wed 5/7) What percentage possession will Portugal have (+/-1)? 48
If I had more time right now I would rant about those bad agressive argentinian losers, who started a brawl after the quarter final AND about those italian cowards who took advantage of it and had Frings banned from the semi final.
Damn them all!
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lonely persuader
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 09:35:21
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Don't turn into an Englishman Kella !!!
making excuses already ... |
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kelladwella
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 09:49:58
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Nonono. Don`t worry.
Germany will win it nontheless.
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kelladwella
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 09:50:34
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Originally posted by toeknee
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Originally posted by kelladwella
But toeknee, isn't the beauty of the k.o.-rounds that you can be 100% sure there will be at least one goal in every match?
Well I always assumed it was the score after ninety minutes, as bookmakers do.
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fbc
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 09:52:46
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Originally posted by fbc
We played bad, Portugal played worse. On Saturday, they wouldn't have scored in a brothel.
You're right England played "better" during the most part of the match, but not enough to score. And that happens often during football matches, it's not just a question of playing better (like in life I guess). Then, during the penalties Portugal were the best, then they deserved to win, that's just how it works.
Oh for sure. I can't say which team deserved to win, but fair play to Portugal (especially the keeper) for doing what needed to be done at the end of the day. Once again, we had our chance to gain advantage in the shootout and blew it.
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cassandra is
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 10:16:52
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Anywho, this isn't fair on the teams that are still in it. England are out, end of.
I predict a Germany/France final. The Germany/Italy tie is the tougher to call I think. I am more confident of France progressing. I think they are starting to peak at the right time.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
Indeed, I tipped France at the begining and got them at 13-1. A mate of mine stuck a tenner on them after the first 2 matches when they went out to 24-1. Nice odds there.
I got 12/1 and Portugal at 22/1, so I can't lose now as I backed them both each way.
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 10:19:43
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Originally posted by fbc
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Originally posted by cassandra is
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Originally posted by fbc
We played bad, Portugal played worse. On Saturday, they wouldn't have scored in a brothel.
You're right England played "better" during the most part of the match, but not enough to score. And that happens often during football matches, it's not just a question of playing better (like in life I guess). Then, during the penalties Portugal were the best, then they deserved to win, that's just how it works.
Oh for sure. I can't say which team deserved to win, but fair play to Portugal (especially the keeper) for doing what needed to be done at the end of the day. Once again, we had our chance to gain advantage in the shootout and blew it.
(ed: I forgot to say Sepp Blatter's a dick!)
It was interesting to read what Ricardo (Portugal's keeper) had ot say about the penalties. He said that he watched the English player's eyes, and dived the side they looked at.
This shows how stupid footballers are. I always look at the other side to that which I am placing it. This is why I have never missed a penalty (although I have only taken two - both in shoot-outs).
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fbc
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 10:32:46
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I like Eric C's philosophy: a penalty isn't a chance, it's a goal.
As soon as it went to pens, I had a feeling we're out (from experience, I guess). I used to look the opposite way, too, if I looked at all. Pick a corner, stick to it and then whack it as hard as you can two foot wide. Our clever <cough> boys trying their hands at reverse psychology. Must have been the w.a.g.s idea. I can't believe Carragher changed his mind for the second kick. He's had some unecessary stick in the papers today. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 10:55:23
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Yeah that's unfair. A lot of players miss a re-taken penalty kick. It's all psychological.
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Llamadance
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 10:58:48
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Originally posted by kelladwella
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Originally posted by toeknee
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Originally posted by kelladwella
But toeknee, isn't the beauty of the k.o.-rounds that you can be 100% sure there will be at least one goal in every match?
Well I always assumed it was the score after ninety minutes, as bookmakers do.
Llama?
I've been going for the score after extra time.
I don't think the score has changed between FT and the end of ET so far, has it?
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:00:19
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Argentina Vs Mexico.
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toeknee
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:07:40
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Originally posted by Llamadance
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Originally posted by kelladwella
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Originally posted by toeknee
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Originally posted by kelladwella
But toeknee, isn't the beauty of the k.o.-rounds that you can be 100% sure there will be at least one goal in every match?
Well I always assumed it was the score after ninety minutes, as bookmakers do.
Llama?
I've been going for the score after extra time.
I don't think the score has changed between FT and the end of ET so far, has it?
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Only in that match where Mexico got knocked out, I think against Argentina. Anyway if it's the end of extra time I will make a small adjustment:
Germany 1vs0 Italy (Tues 4/7) how many different goalscorers will there be? 1
Portugal 1vs0 France (Wed 5/7) What percentage possession will Portugal have (+/-1)? 54 |
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Llamadance
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:09:01
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everyone got a point there anyway - we had all predicted an Argentine win (no correct scores though)
oh, if anyone thinks I've messed up the scores, please say and I'll check.
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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pixiestu
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:14:33
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Just out of interest are the football fans on the forum more concerned about their national team or their individual clubs?
I personally don't care that much about England. Given a choice between England winning the world cup or Wigan staying in the Premiership I'd chose Wigan in the Premiership every time.
The World Cup and European Championships for me are just a way to fill the time between seasons finishing and starting.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see England win the world cup but compared to club football it just doesn't seem as important to me as it does to some people I've been talking to recently.
How do you all feel? Whats more important, club or country?
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:22:08
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Country club :)
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:26:18
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Country, without a doubt. The sense of joy if Scotland ever won something (or even came close) would outweigh Celtic winning the CL I think.
For me clubs are a way to make the national team stronger and I'm sure the influx of foreign players into Scotland over the last 20 years is one of the main reasons why our national team is relatively poor. In fact, the financial problems our clubs are having may well be to the benefit of the national team in the long run.
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:58:08
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Club ultimately, but I would really love to see England win something in my lifetime. United have won it all in my lifetime, pretty much.
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vilainde
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 12:52:18
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Our Championship is shit and it's shown on pay TV, so country.
Denis
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Suicide_Samurai
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 13:07:19
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Club football is money driven. Your national side winning a trophy has much more meaning.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 13:54:23
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Sorry kella but... what a borefest. I think I'll stop here before the extra time.
Denis
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 14:31:42
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Aaawww kella, sorry man. I thought it was a great game, but Italy were the better team. You must be gutted.
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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