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cassandra is
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France
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  01:46:41  Show Profile  Visit cassandra is's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In 2004 during a training with José Antonio Reyes (who plays with Thierry Henry at Arsenal), Luis Aragones said to his player -talking about Henry- "you're gonna show him, to this shitty negro, who is the strongest"



pas de bras pas de chocolat

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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  02:03:20  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Plus, he wanted Vieira expelled.


Denis

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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <

Spain
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  02:12:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Foreign press always take these things too long. He's an absolute asshole, I'm not defending him (he trained our team some years ago, so I know that for sure), but I don't think he's like Hitler or anything.


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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <

France
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  02:28:27  Show Profile  Visit cassandra is's Homepage  Reply with Quote
sure, but I know lots of racists who aren't like Hitler... but they're still racists and assholes, and a disgrace for the human race.



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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
488 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  02:42:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steak n Sabre

Germany v. Argentina 16:00 BST - 30 Jun, 2006 - Very tough to call this one, home turf gives Germany the edge.
Italy v. Ukraine 20:00 BST - 30 Jun, 2006 - Who doesn't like an underdog, plus it's you're last chance to root for Sheva for a while.
England v. Portugal 16:00 BST - 01 Jul, 2006 - Another tough call, England in extra time.
Brazil v. France 20:00 BST - 01 Jul, 2006 - Brazil may give up a goal here, but they won't lose....


The Cult of Frank : The Official Cult of the 2006 FIFA World Cup..



I only agree with your Italy win. Otherwise i think you've picked 3 losers. How could England be favourites vs Portugal and likewise Germany????
That's just what bookies probably get in bets.
I rekon Brazil will go out, to leave France, Portugal, Argentina and Italy.
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  02:47:38  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What was the answer for the bonus question of yesterday's game?


Denis

Your team sucks
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  02:48:30  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lonely persuader

quote:
Originally posted by Steak n Sabre

Germany v. Argentina 16:00 BST - 30 Jun, 2006 - Very tough to call this one, home turf gives Germany the edge.
Italy v. Ukraine 20:00 BST - 30 Jun, 2006 - Who doesn't like an underdog, plus it's you're last chance to root for Sheva for a while.
England v. Portugal 16:00 BST - 01 Jul, 2006 - Another tough call, England in extra time.
Brazil v. France 20:00 BST - 01 Jul, 2006 - Brazil may give up a goal here, but they won't lose....


The Cult of Frank : The Official Cult of the 2006 FIFA World Cup..



I only agree with your Italy win. Otherwise i think you've picked 3 losers. How could England be favourites vs Portugal and likewise Germany????
That's just what bookies probably get in bets.
I rekon Brazil will go out, to leave France, Portugal, Argentina and Italy.



Yep, that's what I'm betting on too.


Denis

Your team sucks
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  03:32:05  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Germany 2-3 Argentina 16:00 BST - 30 Jun, 2006
Italy 2-1 Ukraine 20:00 BST - 30 Jun, 2006
England 2-2 Portugal 16:00 BST - 01 Jul, 2006 probably penalties, England? Maybe?
Brazil 3-2 France 20:00 BST - 01 Jul, 2006


I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2543 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  04:01:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

What was the answer for the bonus question of yesterday's game?


Denis

Your team sucks



one, if you mean the Fra/Spa game.


What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  04:36:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

a-fucking-we-bloody-some
I don't think anyone would've guessed that score. I had forgotten how it feels to win a match, it's nice really...
Funny also to think that this probably is the beginning of a 20-year long hate era between Spain and France. You hear me whore?


Denis

Your team sucks



I actually put money on France to go through.

So that's three of the four countries I come from through to the last 8. I just wish Poland could have made it a clean sweep.


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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  04:37:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

In fact, I liked your team until yesterday. Your coach is an asshole though.


Denis

Your team sucks



Yeah I wanted Vieira to deck him. He should have taunted him when he scored.

Henry was shameful once again though. Asshole.


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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  04:47:58  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ah, the Henry issue. Do you guys really think he should've been punished for what he did? Nobody thinks so here obviously but I see he's being heavily criticized abroad for it. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I'll give you one thing though: he did play terribly yesterday.


Denis

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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  04:55:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's exactly the sort of thing that needs stamping out. Exaggerating a challenge is one thing, but holding your face when you have only been hit in the chest is just way too much. He was trying to get the guy sent off by acting. That's just too far. I don't like the guy anyway. he has no humility and never admits he is wrong.

And yes, oddly he was very quiet. Still a great player whom I love watching (when he concentrates on the football).


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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
488 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  05:59:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Basically, Henry was wrong to hold his face. It was a free kick. Puyol crossed right into him, which was stupid cos neither of those were gonna get the ball. It was the left back who was gonna win the race to it, Puyol just thought he'd help out his left back with a small bit of obstruction (which came back to haunt him).
However, it was wrong for Henry to hold his face. It was'nt worth a card for Puyol, but was a free kick. Nothing will be done to Henry about it.
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vilainde
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Niue
7442 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  06:05:55  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That sums it up quite well. Now could you please explain all this to the spanish?


Denis

Your team sucks
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <

Spain
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  06:25:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nah, Denis! Everybody here thinks France played better.

Well, perhaps not everybody.


This time we ride roller coasters into the ocean
We feel no emotion as we spiral down to the world
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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  06:34:18  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
<<Torres: "El árbitro nos castigó excesivamente"

El delantero de la selección española Fernando Torres lamentó la diferencia de criterio que, a su juicio, tuvo el árbitro del encuentro, Roberto Rossetti, y que "influyó en la derrota de España" contra Francia (1-3). Para Torres, son los "pequeños detalles" los que eliminaron a España del Mundial, y recriminó al colegiado un posible penalti en el área de Francia en la primera parte, y la falta de Puyol que provocó el gol de Vieira.

"El segundo gol no fue falta, el árbitro nos castigo excesivamente", añadió. Una de las claves para el punta español fue que España no salió tan "enchufada" en la segunda mitad como la selección gala, que "poco a poco se hizo con el control del partido". Por último, el delantero del Atlético quiso destacar que salen "contentos" por el campeonato realizado, y "que la afición debe estar orgullosa del papel realizado". El jugador español apostó por "la continuidad" del estilo que ha impuesto Luis Aragonés para futuras competiciones.>>


Denis

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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <

Spain
2873 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  08:29:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Torres? Don't you know he's the biggest gilipollas on earth? I'm ashamed of the possibility of him being related to my family.


This time we ride roller coasters into the ocean
We feel no emotion as we spiral down to the world

Edited by - whoreatthedoor on 06/28/2006 08:32:08
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:19:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

That sums it up quite well.

Denis

Your team sucks



Well no it doesn't really as it doesn't mention the red card Henry should have received. In a just world.


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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2543 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:26:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry, what should Henry have received a red card for?


What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:27:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you watch the match/read the above?


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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
488 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:30:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

That sums it up quite well.

Denis

Your team sucks



Well no it doesn't really as it doesn't mention the red card Henry should have received. In a just world.


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place




Red card??? what the hell are you talking about. It would be a yellow card (if the referee warranted it, and a harsh one). Usually there are just urged to get up off their feet. Ye English and yer fair play crap, as if the english play fair. Ye just like a hard fast game so ya can foul the opposition and stop the good foreign players from playing (since England only have 2 international standard players).
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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:33:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe they need to start giving reds for cheating as blatant as that, especially when it involves someone not just trying to win a free-kick, but trying to get an opponent sent off. It's really quite simple, if they do that, it will either stop or be vastly reduced. If they don't then the cheating will continue.

You can condone cheating if you like, that's your choice, it just reflects badly on you as a person.


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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2543 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:36:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

Did you watch the match/read the above?


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place




Well, yeah, I just didn't see anything that remotely warranted a red card unless he'd been on a yellow card already. Even then, he was still fouled.
Just surprised Homers, you seem quite vehement about this.


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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  09:40:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Haha, no not really, but they do need to get something done about it. Hey if they do, two of our players will suffer the most (Ruud and Ronaldo - well our players for now), but I don't care, it needs sorting in mine and a lot of other people's opinion.

I have always been excellent at football so I have never had to cheat. Perhaps that's why I feel like this ; )

I bet Lonely_Persuader can't even kick a ball straight ; )


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place

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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
5454 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  11:49:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by whoreatthedoor

Foreign press always take these things too long. He's an absolute asshole, I'm not defending him (he trained our team some years ago, so I know that for sure), but I don't think he's like Hitler or anything.


This time we ride roller coasters into the ocean
We feel no emotion as we spiral down to the world




I enjoyed his, "I'm not a racist, I was just using racist comments to fire up the troops" defense. For better or worse, he wouldn't have survived another week on the job in the US.
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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  13:08:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For better I'd say.


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Suicide_Samurai
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  13:11:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yup, Henry was naughty, but check this guy out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8kBE8Hny7M&search=bad%20actor
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a guy in a rover
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  13:41:06  Show Profile  Click to see a guy in a rover's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I posted a rant earlier in this thread about how not punishing diving would slowly strangle the life out of the game but nobody seemed to care
In my eyes, refs need to grow some balls and punish diving. If a player goes down and its not a legitimate challenge/foul/tangle of legs then clearly its a dive and therefore a booking. Refs need to stop telling players to get to their feet when they dive and start brandishing the yellows (I think a red card is a bit extreme for simulation/diving homers).


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pixiestu
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  14:12:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


"The arc of triumph"
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billgoodman
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Netherlands
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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  23:30:07  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by a guy in a rover

I posted a rant earlier in this thread about how not punishing diving would slowly strangle the life out of the game but nobody seemed to care
In my eyes, refs need to grow some balls and punish diving. If a player goes down and its not a legitimate challenge/foul/tangle of legs then clearly its a dive and therefore a booking. Refs need to stop telling players to get to their feet when they dive and start brandishing the yellows (I think a red card is a bit extreme for simulation/diving homers).


Kiss my ring...I am the greatest





aren't they already doing that?
Schwalbes are punished on this tournament
not all the schwalbes, but not all the goals that
were made were noticed either


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God save the Noisies
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
488 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2006 :  02:04:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

Haha, no not really, but they do need to get something done about it. Hey if they do, two of our players will suffer the most (Ruud and Ronaldo - well our players for now), but I don't care, it needs sorting in mine and a lot of other people's opinion.

I have always been excellent at football so I have never had to cheat. Perhaps that's why I feel like this ; )

I bet Lonely_Persuader can't even kick a ball straight ; )


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place




Take you anyday young fella, I play midfield for our University A's.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
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Posted - 06/29/2006 :  02:16:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lonely persuader

quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

Haha, no not really, but they do need to get something done about it. Hey if they do, two of our players will suffer the most (Ruud and Ronaldo - well our players for now), but I don't care, it needs sorting in mine and a lot of other people's opinion.

I have always been excellent at football so I have never had to cheat. Perhaps that's why I feel like this ; )

I bet Lonely_Persuader can't even kick a ball straight ; )


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place




Take you anyday young fella, I play midfield for our University A's.



Right Homer, since you do play footy. Often you get a tap or kick on the ankles which you know the ref will not blow for, unless you give a shout or end up fallin' .

In the league I play, u pretty much have to go to ground to get the ref's to pay attention. If your still standing obviously the challenge was'nt too bad, in many of their opinion. I know these would not be world class ref's. But I can see where it comes from.

Basically, I am adament it WAS a foul on Henry after seening it again. He would not have gotten that foul if he stayed on his feet. The holding the face thing is another issue that I agree with all here about and have stated it in the other post. He was wrong there.

All I'm saying is that the standard of refereeing is poor and leads playing to trying to influence the referee to get often "just" decisions in their favour.
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/29/2006 :  02:32:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Germany 2-1 Argentina
Italy 2-0 Ukraine
England 2-1 Portugal
Brazil 3-2 France

"The arc of triumph"
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2006 :  04:39:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lonely persuader

quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

Haha, no not really, but they do need to get something done about it. Hey if they do, two of our players will suffer the most (Ruud and Ronaldo - well our players for now), but I don't care, it needs sorting in mine and a lot of other people's opinion.

I have always been excellent at football so I have never had to cheat. Perhaps that's why I feel like this ; )

I bet Lonely_Persuader can't even kick a ball straight ; )


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place




Take you anyday young fella, I play midfield for our University A's.



Pah, you have you have youth on your side, but I bring the experience. It will be like Ribery Vs Zidane, Ronaldo Vs Figo, Rooney Vs Jack Charlton ; )

Seriously though, BRING IT!


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