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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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 Posted - 09/20/2005 : 08:25:55
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Hi ganku. :)
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gankuverymuch
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Posted - 09/20/2005 : 09:11:53
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Hi carl, nice forum you got started here!
"cool is about transcending your epic and being righteous about it" |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 09/20/2005 : 09:31:37
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 02:31:53
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I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle
people of this board know that Josh Frank has been working long on the musical
that gives him some credit
but if it's not authorized, it's not authorized, that simple
if the book is crappy, the book will be crappy, authorized or not
I think or I expect that a man who is so into Frank that he wants to do a musical about him
that he can also write a book
besides that:
the cover rocks!
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gankuverymuch
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/30/2005 : 08:09:04
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HOO-RAY! THE BOOK COMES OUT IN 5 DAYS IN UK'S!
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 09/30/2005 : 23:23:12
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Originally posted by Miss Thing
So folks, just so you know, Charles and the Pixies are not affiliated with this this book.
Josh Frank is, as are so many people who lack true creativity, a bandwagoneer.
He originally got the rights from Charles to use a bunch of Pixies songs in
for a tentative musical called Teenager of the Year, this was a few years ago now -- pre-Pixies reunion.
He bugged Dave and Joey a bit to get info for the musical - Kim Deal didn't touch the guy with a ten
hundred foot poll. Charles had nothing to lose -- he was in non-Pixies mode and was essentially
indulging this guy with his graciousness.
Suddenly, the Pixies are back, they're hot, and suddenly there's this book happening, which is unauthorized as no one had
had been asked or told about it. Any info gleaned from any member of the band was intended to provide context for
the musical. Yet Mr. Frank is saying that he had the full participation of the band.
The whole thing is, as per usual, extremely squirrelly....
But one hopes Mr. Frank is at least fanboy-ish enough that he hasn't created as big a stitch-job as
that other book, which was a product of a big ole sourpuss who got his feelings hurt
because no one would give him the time of day.
I'm not saying don't buy it, but I AM saying that it is UNAUTHORIZED and potentially erroneous
and/or a hatchet job :-)
Thanks for the scoop Violet. I am going to pass on this. I got suckered into the last one and you know unless it's coming straight from the band and is authorized, I am not interested :)
Well, I must say, it would be cool if someday Frank did an official bio just to share his end of the story some day. (Not like he doesn't have enough on his plate already) but maybe down the road. I would definately buy that. ;)
So happy to hear about the little one on the way... you both must be estatic! Jack must be reaching such a cool age... almost 10 mos!!! I bet it goes so quick! :) It just puts a big grin on my face reading how happy you guys are!!!   
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thefague
- FB Fan -
Ireland
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Posted - 10/06/2005 : 09:17:21
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Cmon, Cmon, Cmon. Anyone read it yet? Cant get it here till Tuesday.
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CheekyDan
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/06/2005 : 09:24:37
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My copy arrived from Amazon this morning, and Ive got to say it looks pretty damn impressive.
It seems to tell the story through quotes from people who were actually there. A big improvement on the the John Medal-whatever crapathon we got in May.
Though I should say I have not actually read it all yet, so Im reserving my final judgement.
The list of contributors in really impressive. Aside from the usual celebrity parasites (Bowie/Bono blah blah blah) there are a lot on unfamiliar names who appear to know what they are talking about. Josh Frank has obviously done his homework.
And now Im gonna sing the Perry Mason theme.... |
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CheekyDan
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/06/2005 : 12:21:22
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Okay, Ive got through the 1st 100 pages and Ive got to say the book is really good.
You know how when you read the John Mendelssohn book how you felt like you were learning more about the authors tastes & opinions than the actual subject?
This book goes completely the other way. The story is told through peoples accounts of what happened. No self indulgent blathering.
The stuff about recording the purple tape is great, so much detail.
The thing is, every time you see a article about the Pixies in a magazine, your basically reading the same article that you read 15 years ago.
The book seems dug up a lot of interesting facts and anecdotes that I havent read anywhere.
And now Im gonna sing the Perry Mason theme.... |
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gankuverymuch
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/07/2005 : 09:28:11
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anyone else get copies yet? Mine just came in the post. It's so classy looking! whose reading it right now! Besides me...
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matto
= Cult of Ray =
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2005 : 09:28:46
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now will every pixies book that comes out in the future be like reading this one?
don't know if this has been broached before - but shouldn't violet's tag be upgraded from "fb fan"? more like "fb fam"...
skinny puppy has a song called "cult" - does that count? |
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CheekyDan
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/07/2005 : 10:34:54
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Just finished it.
I really liked it. They did a good job.
And now Im gonna sing the Perry Mason theme.... |
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gankuverymuch
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2005 : 10:13:31
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really nice 5 star reviews on amazon!
one seems to be from Kim's X husbands band (yes Mr. John Murphys).
Been there, done that ... Really!, October 7, 2005
Reviewer: mrmente from Boston Having lived through the first four years of the Pixies, as they practiced, wined, dined, whined, laughed, and grew in my apartment, I'd say this is as true a look inside as you can get. This book offers a great telling of the story of the Pixies (btw - we always called them, "the" Pixies).
Written in documentary-style completely from quotes/stories from those who were there (or wanted to be), the story moves right along and makes you feel as though you are a fly on the wall of a giant sleepover at Chez Pixies.
You won't find a better book on the Pixies.
Was this review helpful to you?
A Historic Tribute to a Great Band, October 6, 2005
Reviewer: Edward Willis from United States This is a well-written account of the rise of a band that changed music history. In the tradition of Legs McNeil's "Oral History of Punk Rock," this book allows the band to tell its story in its own words. It is neither a hack job nor a fawning fan blog but a serious journalistic piece of art. Fans of this revolutionary band will appreciate the details of its origins and evolution. Even those who are not necessarily fans will find the account of life in the 1980s on the fringes both fascinating and accurate. Mr. Frank and Ms Ganz have added a significant work to the history of rock music which is sure to become a classic.
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therealmrjohnmurphy
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Posted - 10/18/2005 : 07:43:08
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How is Josh and Caryn's book doing? Are the hard core fans thrilled?, chilled?, double billed? just curious. I googled it and was magically brought here to charle's very own forum. Has this been here long? |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 08:24:14
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Why the hell do we get a different version to the USA with less stuff?? That's shit!
I don't think I'll bother, there's only so many times I can read "Peter, Paul & Mary and Husker Du", "the Puxies", "Sing like you hate dat bitch", "Trompe Le Monde wasn't as popular", "left the band via fax" and "Albini: I'm too cool to like Surfer Rosa".
"Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy, morecambe and wise"
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thefague
- FB Fan -
Ireland
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Posted - 10/18/2005 : 08:28:00
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Hello "Mr John Murphy".
I'm about half way through. Really like your inputs.
Did you ever consider writing one yourself - "Secrets of a Pixie Roadie"????
Cant belive you havent visited the best forum on the interweb!
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gankuverymuch
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/18/2005 : 12:53:59
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Doog, the US version will have a bit more stuff in it then UK, just a bit because they were willing it seems to put more money into it and give the writers more pages to work with.
and its not the same old rehashing, at all, guess you have not seen it yet. missing out, just finished it myself a few minutes ago.
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josh_junk
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Posted - 10/20/2005 : 13:50:46
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| Wow -- just finished. This book is amazing. Fans will cream over it and non-fans should still read it for the interesting history of the rock scene at that time. The authors did a great job pulling hundreds of interviews togheter. |
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madtempest
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 09:47:47
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The publishers sent me a copy, and I have to say it is really a good read... there are sooooo many people in the book, and there is actually some really good insight into a lot of things that even I did not know about!
I say well done to Josh and Caryn. You can tell this was a labor of love, and I know personally they are both huge Pixies fans. |
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pixies350
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Posted - 11/06/2005 : 17:34:22
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| Don't you think it is time for Violet to apologize to the authors for her nasty personal attack on them BEFORE she even read the book? From the reviews posted here and at Amazon UK it seems that the book is a fair and honest tribute to the band. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2005 : 04:44:27
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apologize seems a bit too far
she was wrong instantly that Josh Frank has no talent in the creative department, you
can apologize for that maybe. But she didn't say that the book
is false, she expected it to be. It's unauthorized, she was right about that.
I'll definately be buying this book though
no matter what Frank or Violet or Tiven or Deal wil say
Josh Frank seems to be real nice
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/07/2005 : 06:48:42
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He was always a good guy when he came around here, I certainly would take a look at it.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/07/2005 : 07:39:01
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Originally posted by madtempest
and there is actually some really good insight into a lot of things that even I did not know about!
like what for example? |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2005 : 09:53:32
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I don't know that it makes much sense to demand an apology. If someone is actually sincerely sorry about something, they'll do it on their own. Otherwise, it's just lip service, and what good is that?
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2005 : 11:31:18
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yeah, who good is that? that would be lip service
(is that ok VoVat?)
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 11/07/2005 : 12:54:59
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Is what okay? I'm afraid I don't get it.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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Domestiques
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
503 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 04:37:02
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I finished the book today, I also read the other book, the really shit one so I didn't want to be stung twice. But fool the world was a real joy to read, interview and dialogue from all the key players, being truthful and honest and sharing the happy times and sad times, and the nasty times. I learned a lot of things I didn't know and it really is pretty damn essential. Came away disliking a few people connected to the band and came away liking a whole lot more, mr John Murphy is an example of the latter.
I recommend the book and think you will be pleased with it.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/08/2005 : 07:53:14
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 15:07:32
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Originally posted by VoVat
Is what okay? I'm afraid I don't get it.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares."
I was lip serving you
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 19:44:09
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2005 : 12:06:48
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come on Daisy, the man is making a musical about Frank's songs!
he must find some joy listening to those songs (over and over and over)
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 20:30:16
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2005 : 03:19:36
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blame me if the book sucks ok?
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gankuverymuch
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2005 : 09:24:40
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PIXIESMUSIC.COM REVIEW
Fool The World: THE ORAL HISTORY OF A BAND CALLED PIXIES'
by Josh Frank & Caryn Ganz
THIS BOOK ROCKS!
I have read FOOL THE WORLD in it's entirety and I have to say, it is a GREAT book! There are so mnay bits of history and insider information that even I did not know about, I truly am amazed by the amount of detail in this book. It was a great read, and Josh and Caryn did an amazing job putting it all together. FOOL THE WORLD gets the official PixiesMusic.com 'GIRLIE SO GROOVIE!' Award.
FOOL THE WORLD is available now in the UK and Europe though Virgin Books, and will be available in the US March 2006.
"cool is about transcending your epic and being righteous about it" |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2005 : 20:47:52
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http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/05-10/06.shtml
Pixies Oral History Released Today
Kati Llewellyn reports:
Pixies, still riding on their reunion high, are living up to the title of their recently released DVD, Pixies Sell Out. Yesiree, there's another book hitting stores. To be completely honest, we're a little bit jealous over here. When was the last time we saw nearly three hundred pages of published work devoted to Pitchfork Media? Oh, that's right-- never. Crud.
The latest Pixies book, Fool the World: The Oral History of a Band Called Pixies, landed in the UK today via Virgin Books. Fool the World was written by Josh Frank and Caryn Ganz in an attempt to tell the band's story in the words of, well, the band. Talk about an accuracy attack! Also responsible for its material are Pixies' tour managers, producers, and engineers, who, with other behind-the-scenes folk, provided Frank and Ganz anecdotes of the band's elevation to the position of indie superheroes. There's even celebrity input from Thom Yorke, Beck, Bono, Courtney Love, and, as Lollapalooza attendees may have guessed, the incredibly long-winded, not-so-secret admirer of Pixies, Perry Farrell. The book description on Amazon.co.uk calls Fool the World "a complete journey through the life, death, and rebirth of one of the most influential bands of all time." Hey! Paralleling Pixies to Jesus was our senior thesis idea, jerks!
In addition to this impressive list of interviewees, the book also features new cartoons by Steve Appleby (the Trompe Le Monde cover artist) and prints by longtime band photographer Simon Larbalestier.
Oh, and to the Pixies' home country fans-- don't get your panties in a bunch. Fool the World comes to the States on March 21, 2006 through publisher St. Martin's Griffin. Phew!
In even more Pixies news, MTV.com reported that Black's latest solo album is nearly finished and may include 25+ songs when the final version drops in early 2006. You might see these guys as busybodies, but just remember, there was that whole 12-year-split thing. It seems to us that Pixies are just making up for lost time, and trust us, we ain't complainin'.
* Pitchfork Review: Pixies: Wave of Mutilation: The Best of the Pixies / Pixies DVD
* Pitchfork News: Pixies Announce Details of Live Reunion DVD
* Pixies Music [unofficial]: http://www.pixiesmusic.com/
* Virgin Books: http://www.virginbooks.com/
* St. Martin's Press: http://www.stmartins.com/
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1511924/20051020/eve.jhtml?headlines=true
The book "Fool the World," an oral history of the Pixies, is now due in the U.S. in March (though it's already out in the U.K.). Written by Josh Frank and Caryn Ganz, it tells the story of the group from the mouths of the bandmembers as well as those around them, such as tour managers, producers, engineers, album designers, label employees and other artists, including Thom Yorke, Beck, Bono, Courtney Love and Perry Farrell.
(I read this wrong the first time around, and thought it said it was coming out in audio form! They are, of course, talking about Eric Clapton!)
http://men.style.com/news/media/101105
Or, if your tastes are more Pixies than Joy Division, pick up Fool the World: The Oral History of a Band Called Pixies. It won't be available in the U.S. till March, but you can get hold of it now for just £16, including air shipping, from Amazon.co.uk.
http://janesaddiction.org/
today's discog update posted by helicine on 10/20/2005 at 01:44PM ET
I added both the UK and the upcoming US releases of Josh Frank & Caryn Ganz's Pixies biography Fool the World : The Oral History of a Band Called Pixies to Perry's discography. Thanks go to Sonny for the heads up on those.
http://www.intro.de/musik/news/1128698066
The oral history
Pixies bescheren uns mit einer Bandbiographie
[07.10.05 17:14]
Frei nach einer Schokoleckerei brachte die Pixies-Reunion ja schon was zum Hingehen (die Comeback-Tour), was zum Gucken (eine DVD) und jetzt kommt die dritte Überraschung aus dem Ei: was Neues zum Lesen. Heute erscheint die neue Bandbiographie “Fool the World: The Oral History of a Band Called Pixies” in den Buchläden Großbritanniens. Für den Inhalt dieses Werks zeichnen sich die beiden Autoren Josh Frank und Caryn Ganz verantwortlich, die dem Tourmananger, Produzenten und Tontechniker sowie vielen anderen Menschen hinter den Kulissen der Pixies erzählenswerte Anekdoten entlocken konnten. Auch ein paar illustre Mitwirkende wie Thom Yorke, Beck, Bono und Courtney Love melden sich zu Wort. Außerdem gibt es Bilder vom Langzeit-Fotographen der Pixies, Simon Larbalestier, sowie einige neue Karikaturen von Steve Aplleby, der das Cover zum letzten Pixies-Album „Trompe Le Monde“ entwarf, zu bestaunen.
Eine Tour, eine DVD, ein Buch – fehlt nur noch der musikalische Output, um die Pixies-Reunion wirklich komplett zu machen. Gegenüber Billboard.com zeigte Frontmann Frank Black jetzt Pro und Kontra für einen Nachfolger des 1991er Albums auf: “I think there are some band members extremely keen to start making a record and there are others who are more cautious because they don't want to mess with the legacy. They may be afraid that if we make a mediocre record that it will still come out, because the money has been spent. That's fair enough.“ Und bis nicht ein paar neue Tracks auf dem Tisch legen, wird nicht weiter drüber spekuliert, so Black. Tun wir ihm den Gefallen.
Alle Reviews, Artikel, News und Infos zu Pixies
Autor : ines Sundermann
'Translated' by Google:
The orally history
Pixies give us with a Bandbiographie
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"Freely after a Schokoleckerei the Pixies Reunion already brought which to going (the comeback route), now which comes to looking ( a DVD) and the third surprise from the egg: which new for reading. Today the new Bandbiographie "Fool appears the World: The orally History OF A volume Called Pixies "in the book shops of Great Britain. For contents of this work the two authors Josh franc and Caryn whole have responsibility themselves, which could draw tell-worth anecdotes from the route one meadow, producer and clay/tone technician as well as many other humans behind the window blinds of the Pixies. Also a few illustre participation such as Thom Yorke, Beck, Bono and Courtney Love announce themselves to word. In addition there are pictures of the long-term photo graph of the Pixies to admire Simon Larbalestier, as well as some new caricatures of Steve Aplleby, which sketched the Cover to the last Pixies album "trompe Le of moons".
A route, a DVD, a book - the musical output is only missing, in order to make the Pixies Reunion really complete. Opposite Billboard.com front man franc Black pointed now pros and cons out for a successor of the 1991er of album: " I think there acres some bound members extremely keen ton start making A record and there acres others who acres more cautious because they don't want ton of measuring with the legacy. They May afraid that if incoming goods make A mediocre records that it wants quietly come out, because the money has been spent. That's fair enough. "and to not a few new TRACKS on the table, not are not more drueber continued to speculate, so Black put. We do the favour to him.
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