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floop
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Mexico
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 Posted - 08/27/2005 : 17:51:54
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they have many similarities: climbing trees, gathering nuts, building nests
but then they do show evidence of varying talents..
where squirrels have shown a strong capacity for waterskiing
it is a little known fact that chipmunks are adept at riding miniature atv's.
is it fair to say that one requires more intelligence than the other? and if so, do you think this has more to do with genetic predisposition, or cognitive learning? |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 17:54:44
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 18:13:46
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He's a rat, but I love him none the less!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 18:57:03
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Mr. Wonka's squirrels are pretty smart! |
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 18:59:14
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"Don't touch his nuts"!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 19:03:21
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2005 : 22:13:44
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Squirrels climb rope! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 11:11:56
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Oh that hurt my sides. Thanks Floop.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 11:23:29
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Squirrels climb rope or get hanged for kicks!
Another Squirrel Kick Ass:
Kyle (of) the Squirrel writes poetry: http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14108
which i think is pretty impressive.
they both seem quite intelligent to me though. fun, definately.
out of curiosity floop, do you know the sex of both chipmunk and squirrel? |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 13:59:12
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Originally posted by fbc
they both seem quite intelligent to me though. fun, definately.
out of curiosity floop, do you know the sex of both chipmunk and squirrel?
i'm not including gender in my analysis. this test is stricly Chipmunk vs. Squirrel, as two separate species.
maybe darwin could help up set up some sort of comparison model? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:02:54
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I could plot a likelihood profile of the mean intelligence of squirrels and chippmunks if you think it would be helpful.
If that ATV chipmunk is in California, it should be wearing a helmet. It'll help keep all of our insurance rates down. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:05:02
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I would say squirrels are marginally smarter in logic and problem-solving, but chipmunks have the business smarts: just check out the multi-million dollar recording careers of Alvin, Simon and Theodore.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:06:42
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin
I could plot a likelihood profile of the mean intelligence of squirrels and chippmunks if you think it would be helpful.
helpful? that's exactly what i'm looking for..
factors i think you should consider:
- waterskiing requires a significant amount of adaptability, with waves and water currents being unpredictable.
- popping a wheelie on an atv is no simple task either. the agility required to sustain a vehicle on 2 wheels, is a difficult one to measure. but i think important |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:11:18
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Geek alert: species that hide their food (nuts) in many locations and then find the food later in the winter have larger hippocampuses than those that don't (true for birds and rodents). I think squirrels tend to do that more than chipmunks who have a few big piles of nuts. Also, squirrels that are jumping from limb to limb probably are better at judging distances and finding escape routes.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/97legacy/10_17_97a.html |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:13:18
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| couldn't one argue that it's smarter to just have a few big piles of nuts than a bunch of little piles all over the place? i mean, that way it's less work during the winter |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:37:18
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In the UK, grey squirrels have all but wiped out their red cousins. Now how many times do you see the stronger, more vicious side triumph in the movies? Not very often, thats how many. So squirrels must be pretty smart to have triumphed over not just a foe, but a weaker foe, one arguably on the side of good.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:37:38
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| Also it makes it way easier to lose your whole stash when a bigger chipmunk or squirrel steals it from you. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:41:11
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Do they offer each other nuts when courting like guys do with beer in bars?
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darwin
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:48:09
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Nuptial gifts. No, I don't think squirrels do, but nuptial gifts are pretty common. Some male insects give the female another bug to eat while they mate with them. The bigger the bug the longer the male gets to mate, the more sperm he transfers, the more offspring he has. Beautiful, isn't it?
I'm killing this thread. Sorry. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:02:21
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 18:28:32
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female scorpions often kill and eat the male after he mates with her. i guess that's not the worst way to go.
but getting back to squirrels. i still think chipmonks are smarter. when's the last time you heard of someone running over a chipmunk? never. because they're too smart.
squirrels get run over all the time |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 01:41:44
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And maybe it's the chipmunks that run over the squirrels. After all they do drive. That would make them smarter still.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 06:11:23
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How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 07:33:38
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Score one for the chipmunks!
I just overheard two old ladies complaining that chipmunks destroyed their garden, ate every single last tomato.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:59:38
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
And maybe it's the chipmunks that run over the squirrels. After all they do drive. That would make them smarter still.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
now that is a good point. would you like to be on my research team homers? |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 11:09:05
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I would have to say I find chipmunks to be higher in intelligence...and this in no way negates the glorious talents of the squirrel.
I base this soley on an incident which occured in 1972. In Switzerland (NOT, by the way, known for it's chipmunk population...these are very private, proud creatures that keep to their own) on an exceptionally cloudy morning, a DC-10 tragically lost power and crashed in the Swiss swamps (a geographical oddity NOT linked normally with Switzerland...nevertheless these existed in the late 60's-early 70's) killing all 6 passengers and crew.
On the ground, a small band of 19 chipmunks were affected by thrown debris, divvying up substantial head wounds to the said tender creatures.
The chipmunks were thrown from their Swiss jungle-like plants and they laid unconcious for minutes next to the smoking fuselage. Upon awakening, and recalling nothing (these animals, like doves, are prone instantly to amnesia when traumatized), the chipmunks figured they were airborne casualties who, for whatever reason, survived the plane crash. Taking on the guilt and confusion of human survivors (why did I live? Why was I chosen to survive?) the 17 remaining chipmunks (two didn't make it in transit from jungle tree to ground) wandered into the snowscape of the Swiss Alps which were just outside of the swamps and around the bend.
Slowly they began to freeze and when there was but 6 left, and without nourishment, they decided what must be done in order to survive. Like so many stories spanning the annals of our human history, the chipmunks resorted to cannibalism. But, like so many other stories spanning our annals, the remaining 6 perished. For any living creature to switch from one geographical environment to the next without proper warning or preparation, especially with a head wound and amnesia, death is the only option.
The story of these brave souls was unlocked by an animal communications therapist who tapped this from the memory of a Saint Bernard that happened upon the grisly scene when searching for actual victims of the plane crash. The canine suffered for years from depression, and basically unleashed the tormented memory on the therapist while lounging on it's death bed back in '79. The phenomenal story is documented in a book or something somewhere.
Anyhow, this is how I draw my conclusions on the intelligence of chipmunks over squirrels. I have NEVER heard of a squirrel (or squirrels) having such an experience to grapple with as these honorable chipmunks did in the Swiss jungle...and then Alps.
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 11:37:01
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One Who Hath Swum
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 15:19:54
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The squirrel strikes back. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 15:36:32
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quote:
Originally posted by fbc
The squirrel strikes back.
that photo is so obviously doctored |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 15:38:47
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| no way! the work of a taxidermist. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 16:46:25
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Edited by - Carl on 08/30/2005 16:46:40 |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 12:31:56
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 14:22:13
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Drugs are for losers, hence squirrels are smarter.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 14:46:50
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| The guy with the wool socks and Tevas is the most obvious loser. |
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2005 : 16:16:48
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Squirrels are smart and suprisingly pellet proof. I try and kill them when i see them because they invade my loft and rip and the wires up and stuff.
P.S Their tails come off suprisingly easily when pulled upon.
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Intelligence - Squirrels vs. Chipmunks
