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kono
- FB Fan -
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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 Posted - 08/08/2005 : 13:12:53
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i completly agree with you man but im not quite as pissed off
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 13:16:50
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Alec Eiffel indeed.
I can understand (in a really small way) why some prefer the first two records compared to the last two, but songs like Letter to Memphis, Havalina and Trompe Le Monde I believe are some of the best songs Frank's ever written. The chord progressions, the sounds, in a nut shell...awesome!
I don't know what the recording situation was like during Bossa and Trompe, but maybe the cracks in their relationships (Charles/Kim mainly) were starting to affect the band. Maybe Frank looks back on this period and instead of hearing the great songs written like we do, he remembers the emotional times, stresses and strains.
You are still apart of something profound.
We just see the Pixies in a different light to the ones who matter. the Pixies themselves.
We could tell them they're demi gods and the best fuckin' band ever.
Frank will turn around and say we're just a rock band.
And you know what?
We're both right. |
Edited by - fbc on 08/08/2005 13:17:24 |
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kono
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 14:22:59
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i am nodding.
thank you for opening my eyes a little wider with your insight. i had no idea sharing my point of view would be so rewarding. after that documentary, i certainly didn't expect anyone to agree with me. your words are exactly right. thank you for restoring, no renewing would be a better word...thank you for renewing my faith in others! (and for teaching me a thing or two.)
i'm glad i found a place to share in my appreciation of what i believe to be the greatest band period.
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2005 : 14:39:52
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thats the beauty of this forum at least 1 person will agree with your pov
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 14:59:17
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Frank is always the first one to play down the importance, impact, beauty and a series of other grand sounding adjectives of his own music. Humbleness is a great quality, and something that is often lacking in rock stars. Don't tell me you're great, show me.
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 15:00:24
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| Documentaries are not real world facts... it depends on who makes them and hence are opinion pieces... this is one documentary maker’s interpretation... some people hate the pixies...nothing there to get so bitter about... |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 17:05:22
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well it sounds like he was giving frank back handed compliments, so heck yeah i agree all Pixies albums are amazing 
"I ain't goin to be what I ain't" |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2005 : 17:09:20
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quote:
Originally posted by kono
i'm glad i found a place to share in my appreciation of what i believe to be the greatest band period
then stick around 
you know you want to.
look, you even got my 1000th post.
and before i hit the sack,
can i say you have the finest taste in music |
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kono
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 17:27:20
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Originally posted by fbc
and before i hit the sack,
can i say you have the finest taste in music
funny, i was thinking the same thing about you.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 17:41:29
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I don't know if you're a fan of U2, but you should have seen my reaction when i saw Bono in the Pixie doc.
"Nooooooooo! ANYONE but him!"
(not a fan, in case you wondered}
hopefully we have a few new dvd's on the way. |
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kono
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/09/2005 : 01:18:44
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i straight busted out laughing!
'BONO?! what the hell is he doing on here?'
i am also not a U2 fan. and i'm not sure why this is, but every time i see him talking or hear him being talked about, i start giggling. i don't know, he just strikes me as funny.
i'm guessing i'd enjoy your album collection.
-l |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2005 : 03:50:09
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| i'm guessing you would, too |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/09/2005 : 06:08:01
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Originally posted by chineselover
Documentaries are not real world facts... it depends on who makes them and hence are opinion pieces... this is one documentary maker’s interpretation... some people hate the pixies...nothing there to get so bitter about...
I agree.
I also agree that Boassanova and Trompe deserve more credit though.
Don't believe the type!
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2005 : 06:40:13
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| I never even knew that Boss and Trompe were apparently held in a lesser regard than the others until visiting this forum! |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/09/2005 : 07:04:54
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I disagree. It's a documentary. It states the facts as objectively as possible. And I don't know if you noticed, but every single article or "best albums ever"-list out there mentions Surfer/Doolittle as their highlights, while giving less kudos to Bossa/Trompe, so this documentary isn't exactly way off.
Besides, the documentary makers weren't able to get the rights to show Bossa/Trompe-era concerts fragments. That may have been another reason why the the documentary chose to largely bypass these two albums altogether. I mean, they couldn't praise it to death and not show a single song off it, could they?
As for Bono: whether you like him or not, it's nice to have someone that famous praising the Pixies on tape. I think it's one of the most valuable additions to the documentary, and it may actually convert some people. Not so for the interviews with the likes of PJ Harvey, Blur, Six by Seven: anybody who's interested in them, was already interested in the Pixies anyway. |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
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Posted - 08/09/2005 : 07:56:23
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| ...As for FB dismissing those later Pixies albums himself: apart from the possible reasons given by fbc, it happens quite often that the artist is its own worst judge. You know, all those stories of classic songs which were, according to the artist, "maybe just good enough for a B-side". |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2005 : 13:48:52
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here's a nice quote for you kono from 'the man':
"Well, i thought that "Bossanova" was probably the best record.I don't really listen to them, though. Once you make 'em, man, you've heard them from every possible angle.I've heard them more than the most ardent fan will ever hear them.I don't have a lot of nostalgia for them, not just yet.
If someone wants to hear me wax nostalgic about my records, talk to me in ten years"
You know, I think people in this world are just too afraid of onion breath, and...
People gotta get over that, and I think the world will be a better place - frank black |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 08/10/2005 : 00:44:06
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quote:
Originally posted by fbc
here's a nice quote for you kono from 'the man':
"Well, i thought that "Bossanova" was probably the best record.I don't really listen to them, though. Once you make 'em, man, you've heard them from every possible angle.I've heard them more than the most ardent fan will ever hear them.I don't have a lot of nostalgia for them, not just yet.
If someone wants to hear me wax nostalgic about my records, talk to me in ten years"
You know, I think people in this world are just too afraid of onion breath, and...
People gotta get over that, and I think the world will be a better place - frank black
ooooh, those were the days. i know this interview (mondo 2000), it was out right after the yellow/orange album. a very good read.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2005 : 01:47:55
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| uh-huh, sure was/is. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/10/2005 : 02:33:30
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| I have that magazine. It's a really good interview. |
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Z_Zoquis
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Posted - 08/20/2005 : 08:45:02
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| Actually, I personally think Bossanova and Trompe are slightly "lesser" Pixies albums. I think Doolittle is definitely their magnum opus. Its close to a perfect pop album. I know, "pop"? Well, I mean pop in the same sense as the first Ramones record is a perfect pop album. Theres a cohesiveness to the album that somehow makes it even more than the sum of it's parts. I don't get that from the others. Don't get me wrong, I agree that some of the songs on the latter platters are standout Pixies tracks, but as a unit the records don't grab me the same way. I think as fans of the Pixies, we can listen to those latter works and say "yeah, that's great stuff." But for anyone who isn't a fan, I don't think Bossanova or Trompe would have the same impact as Doolittle. That's not to say that in order to be great a record has to appeal to "the masses." But I think one indicator of how great a record is is that it can appeal to both the fan and the masses. |
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2005 : 09:29:28
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well said Z_Zoquis...
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2005 : 10:41:04
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Yeah, even though Bossanova is my favorite, I'd probably have to agree that Doolittle is the most cohesive unit.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 08:21:47
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| I was still sort of a fan of U2 and then I saw Bono on the cover of Time magazine with a huge caption that read,"Can Bono Save the World?" That was going a little too far, I hate when these rock stars get diefied like that. |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 09:58:53
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bono is in my brothers religion book as a modern day prophet along with the pope and ghandi.i shit you not.
Art is the child of Nature; yes, her darling child, in whom we trace the features of the mother's face, her aspect and her attitude.
-Beck
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 12:04:52
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| By and large, it's lazy journalism that's to blame. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 16:35:45
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 17:00:39
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Quiet you blasphemers, these are obviously the rhymes of a prophet:
I and I in the sky
You make me feel like I can fly
So high
Elevation
Trompe Le Monde is my favourite, just the bassline on Space and the scream in Sad Punk gets it that.
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Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music -- the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 20:17:12
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| But I do consider Disco Stu a prophet so what do I know? |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 10:29:38
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Disco Stu wants you to be comfortable while he does his thing.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 11:57:06
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"Look at that jacket Stu! It was custom made just for you!"
"Disco Stu doesn't advertiiiiiise." |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 13:04:15
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Disco Stu doesn't advertise!
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 13:29:01
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I wasn't being serious btw. U2 blow donkeys for quarters, to quote a certain forumgoer.
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Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music -- the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 16:06:23
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| I don't know. They are a good band. It just seems like they take themselves a little too seriously. |
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kono
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2005 : 09:45:32
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Originally posted by fbc
here's a nice quote for you kono from 'the man':
"Well, i thought that "Bossanova" was probably the best record.I don't really listen to them, though. Once you make 'em, man, you've heard them from every possible angle.I've heard them more than the most ardent fan will ever hear them.I don't have a lot of nostalgia for them, not just yet.
If someone wants to hear me wax nostalgic about my records, talk to me in ten years"
that's more like it! damn, i sure do love the man. |
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