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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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 Posted - 07/07/2005 : 13:40:09
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:19:20
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never knew homers pet monkey was a girl
I vote for HPM or Kathryn or Ramona
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:19:52
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or Zanni67
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:26:59
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HPM is a lovely girl, just lovely. You should see her legs. Oh, I shouldn't have posted that. Sorry. I don't mean to objectify a fellow forum-ette.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
Australia
1811 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:36:25
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all joking aside, i actually think homers would make a good moderator.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:45:49
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Two significant issues at hand here.
I agree totally that we should have a few women as Mods as well. (No idea why anyone would think we wouldn't go for that, care to elaborate dayanara?)
First serious issue is that, as seen in the backlash to me, certain principles are not accepted or welcome. I doubt that if a female Mod had raised the issue i had, she would have been given any more respect than myself, and would have been equally abused.
Second, we have certain qualifications for being a Mod, and that includes a demonstrated amount of level-headedness, fairness, openness, good listening skills, and having a good sense of 'when to act, and when to ask'. We must also completely trust that person. Finally, the person needs to be in a similar mindset as Dean, Brian and myself.
It's not easy finding a good Mod. That said, we *are* looking into it. No decisions will be made until Dean gets back to having semi-regular internet access.
 "Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:57:50
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Dave, your sig needs fixing.
Kitty for mod!
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:12:53
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Paul Weller is a good mod.
Don't believe the type!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:16:35
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Best...post...ever...
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:18:49
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I'm just trying to cheer myself up.
Don't believe the type!
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:20:27
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Two significant issues at hand here.
First serious issue is that, as seen in the backlash to me, certain principles are not accepted or welcome. I doubt that if a female Mod had raised the issue i had, she would have been given any more respect than myself, and would have been equally abused.
I disagree. First, to be a bit sexist (sorry) I doubt she would have been as brash as you were and second she would speaking from an experience with the issue that you (as a male) can't have. I have much better time believing a woman saying something produces a negative atmosphere for woman, than believing your guess that it does. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:20:36
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Funny, well not funny, I've been hearing in my head all day
"Down in the tube station at midnight." Not a good thing today.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 21:08:29
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Um..being sexist to defend sexism? Sorry, i don't think that floats.
I don't believe you have to a member of whatever 'issue' to be able to discuss or defend it.
To say that a man cannot stand up against the exploitation of women is to say that white people cannot defend blacks, nor the young defend the old. (And it would also leave my main area of concern completely off the map - animal rights. I am not a pig in a factory farm...how do i know of what they suffer?)
And besides all this silliness, it's clear that a progressive view of sexism and the significance of objectification is very unfamiliar ground for many. (Sorry if that sounds patronizing..that is not my intent.) I certainly misunderstood it for many years, and thought that 'letting women work and not pinching their butts' was what it was all about....and i was an idiot for not looking any deeper all those years.
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1615 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 21:49:51
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Originally posted by billgoodman
or Zanni67
Anyone with a keen eye would have noticed Zanni67 in the photo I posted in my Post Your Favorite Pictures of Floop thread.
Okay, maybe you wouldn't have noticed. I just thought it was funny you brought her name up and she just happened to be in that picture.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 00:57:07
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I'll revise my admitedly sexiest comment that implied that women are usually more diplomatic. "I doubt most people would have been as brash as you were ...." You're wrong, if you think this firestorm is about pictures of women. It's about you being rude and demeaning to us. You aren't smarter than us, you aren't better informed than us, you aren't a better person than us. So, please quit acting that way.
I in no way said that only the people being discriminated against should stand up against that discrimination. But, this is not a clear cut case of discrimination. It is you thinking that women will be insulted or be made to feel inferior by images of other women being posted. I don't think you have the background to judge that. And if you think you do then why do feel that "totally that we should have a few women as Mods"? Is it because they have backgrounds and knowledge that you don't have? |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 01:08:26
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Darwin, you've really managed to impress me now. There are some very interesting points which you make in this thread which reminds me of a quote that's not really relevant but could be in a slightly different situation:
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding".
-Albert Einstein. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:46:53
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Darwin - it seems to me the majority of comments are actually about posting images of women, and that they think they should be able to, and that it doesn't demean women.
I don't doubt that some people are also upset with my attitude. If you re-read the thread i started (picture of beautiful women thread), i tried very hard not to be demeaning. In my first few postings, what specifically did i write that was demeaning, rude or insulting?
After a pile of insults, and people demanding the 'right' to post images of women, i lay into them a little more. Even then, i believe i was pretty reasonable, and kept the 'personal' issues to a minimum. (Not none, but pretty reasonable, all things considered.)
I agree that i'm not a better person than anyone here, and i don't mean for people to think i am. That is just a way to sidestep a point...being that i'm resposible for this Forum.
I think i *do* have the background to determine the possibility of someone feeling inferior because of the postings. What if i, myself, feel demeaned? What if people have written me complaining? Do i let them go and post, and take the heat themselves? (And do i ignore my own feelings?)
Again, it is very clear that people don't like to hear that posting and looking at pictures of women might upset others, not might not be appropriate or even desirable for this Forum.
And yes, women do have different experiences from men. I don't understand how this diminishes my own experiences, nor whether or not i can determine if a topic is demeaning to women, or anyone else.
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:58:19
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Originally posted by dayanara
dayanara would make a horrible moderator and doesn't want the job, but thanks for the nod.
in case anyone is actually listening, i again nominate carolynanna.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort.
Wowee, thanks dayanara.
But as darwin said, this baby might make it a bit difficult.
(Depending if he's got the colic or not like the last one.)
I might be around less and less, damn kids!
That said, Homer! Homer! Homer!
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Don't believe the hype.
Although it would be fun to make Simon greet me with fanfare lest he face my wrath... |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 12:51:26
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Darwin - it seems to me the majority of comments are actually about posting images of women, and that they think they should be able to, and that it doesn't demean women.
reply moved to:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13589 |
Edited by - darwin on 07/08/2005 12:56:09 |
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A woman moderator is needed
