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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 06/08/2005 : 12:11:02
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I think what may make ROTJ less interesting than ESB to people is that Endor is the only 'new' place the movie takes us. ESB was such an awesome film after Star Wars because of all the diverse locales. Hoth, Star Destroyer sets, Dagobah, Bespin, asteroid field...and each one of these places were exploited to a great degree. Suddenly in ROTJ, the only new place is Endor. Granted, there is the new Death Star, but we've seen an echo of that. And Dagobah created no new surprises. Well, I guess too there is the Emperor's lair. But even in these new locales, the art direction is suddenly completely different than Star Wars or ESB...and it also looked a bit cheaper, or more plastic...something! The overdose of creatures was a bit overwhelming too. I mean, Ewoks can be fun...but not as an army! Jabba's place had WAY too many creatures as well. I think it's because there was too much focus on the creatures in ROTJ as rambling plot-points that disenchanted people. In Star Wars and ESB, they were cute non-essentials basically to color the background, or, at most, to enable key motivations (Jawas kidnapping droids, Luke attacked by Tuskin in order to introduce Ben, barflys in atmospheric Cantina to introduce colorful and shady heroes, Taun-Taun's to save our colorful and shady hero, "Ichut-ta!" to lead C-3pO into danger...etc. etc.). Plus, our main stars were looking haggard. Hamill's reconstructive plastic surgery was beginning to look funny, Fisher real face was starting to show effects of narcotics, and poor Ford simply had nothing to do...in fact, the most animated Ford seemed was his cheesey double-take when he stepped on the twig which alerted the Storm Troopers to his presence. The creatures and the elements overshadowed the people, and the plot-line was a fill-in-the-numbers ho-hum affair. It had it's moments, but all in all, I think it was just a bloated pinata half full of generic brand candy.
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2005 : 13:39:16
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VERY well said namesake
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 06/08/2005 : 13:40:26
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
I think what may make ROTJ less interesting than ESB to people is that Endor is the only 'new' place the movie takes us. ESB was such an awesome film after Star Wars because of all the diverse locales. Hoth, Star Destroyer sets, Dagobah, Bespin, asteroid field...and each one of these places were exploited to a great degree. Suddenly in ROTJ, the only new place is Endor. Granted, there is the new Death Star, but we've seen an echo of that. And Dagobah created no new surprises. Well, I guess too there is the Emperor's lair. But even in these new locales, the art direction is suddenly completely different than Star Wars or ESB...and it also looked a bit cheaper, or more plastic...something! The overdose of creatures was a bit overwhelming too. I mean, Ewoks can be fun...but not as an army! Jabba's place had WAY too many creatures as well. I think it's because there was too much focus on the creatures in ROTJ as rambling plot-points that disenchanted people. In Star Wars and ESB, they were cute non-essentials basically to color the background, or, at most, to enable key motivations (Jawas kidnapping droids, Luke attacked by Tuskin in order to introduce Ben, barflys in atmospheric Cantina to introduce colorful and shady heroes, Taun-Taun's to save our colorful and shady hero, "Ichut-ta!" to lead C-3pO into danger...etc. etc.). Plus, our main stars were looking haggard. Hamill's reconstructive plastic surgery was beginning to look funny, Fisher real face was starting to show effects of narcotics, and poor Ford simply had nothing to do...in fact, the most animated Ford seemed was his cheesey double-take when he stepped on the twig which alerted the Storm Troopers to his presence. The creatures and the elements overshadowed the people, and the plot-line was a fill-in-the-numbers ho-hum affair. It had it's moments, but all in all, I think it was just a bloated pinata half full of generic brand candy.
I was alone...in my BIG BED
-bRIAN
Ooh ooh do the PT!!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6289 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 15:18:27
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don't know why my carry pictures didn't work out
but everyone can 'google' carrie fisher
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do the carrie-fisher-google-shizzle
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2005 : 15:47:54
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and just to give equal time..
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Edited by - tobafett on 06/08/2005 15:55:52 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6289 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 06:25:52
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damn!
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 11:24:48
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Quick question...this has been bothering me since last night:
What could have Obi-Wan done to Uncle Owen during the years between SITH and NEW HOPE to warrant the description of "crazy old man" ? Maybe bring the ghost of Qui-Gon around too often? Or Yoda? Remember when Yoda was slightly senile in ESB (even though he was affecting senility to hide his true Jediness) and crazily rummaged through Luke's dinner? ("Hey! That's my dinner!") Perhaps Yoda was perfecting his method acting on the unsuspecting farmers. It was just bugging the crap out of me last night. Obi-Wan must have done something totally out of character.
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 11:37:26
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Nothing special.
Owen doesn't want Luke to risk his life for some damn fool idealistic crusade.
And he knows all too well that one day Obi's gonna take Luke with him. That's why he's mad at him. |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 12:08:47
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Then again, he might have tried to persuade Owen and Beru to let him train Luke and they objected, not wanting to bring harm to themselves from a mean half-brother who tears-ass around the galaxy takin' people out.
And the force is magical and a little unnatural to non-force users...hence "that wizard's a crazy old man" wizard--magic...scary to non-magic people.
then again, maybe it was saber envy. ben mighta made a move on beru. she looked cute in ep.2.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 12:14:56
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[quote she looked cute in ep.2.
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Yeah...Like a weird BOY!!!!
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 12:31:08
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| boo! |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1615 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 12:40:37
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Since Luke was supposed to be hidden from DV shouldn't he have been called Luke Lars. 
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 13:49:46
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remember, "that name holds no meaning for me now" DV
and "it's the name of your true self, you've only forgotten" LS
or something like that.. |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5157 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 15:41:30
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i agree w/ the explanation about obi-wan, but it still seems odd. i mean, owen is entrusted w/ luke to raise him BY obi-wan and is shown the importance of the child. so i would imagine that even though he knows obi-wan is doing what he feels is right, nearly 20 years w/ the kid probably made him fear for his necessary journey into the force
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/10/2005 : 01:54:04
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Yeah, definitely. It's like foster parents fighting real parents for custody or even visitation rights after a few years.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 02:37:30
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Who said (was it on this board?) that it would be cool if the new life action serie was about Beru?
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2005 : 07:33:57
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| it would end with a barbecue. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 10:55:44
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| this thread has been overrun by non-amateurs |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 11:03:08
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| we're just imparting knowledge... |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 11:20:00
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Not to sound rude but shouldn't the thread be called
"Star Wars discussion for the nerd"?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 13:15:26
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Um, too late. You sound rude. :)
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floop
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 13:17:05
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Not to sound rude but shouldn't the thread be called
"Star Wars discussion for the nerd"?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
isn't the "for the nerd" part redundant, considering the "Star Wars discussion" part? |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 13:18:49
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by kathryn
Not to sound rude but shouldn't the thread be called
"Star Wars discussion for the nerd"?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
isn't the "for the nerd" part redundant, considering the "Star Wars discussion" part?
Isn't it also in fact redundant to post that in a thread started by the nerd of all nerds?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 13:19:49
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 13:56:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Um, too late. You sound rude. :)
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
Yet again, I aim for funny but end up rude.
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 13:59:12
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next time, floop, consider: "STAR WARS discussion for amateurs ONLY...NO nerds allowed"
and lay out ground rules about being rude.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 15:18:24
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Yeah. We need more rules. I, for one, am all about rules.
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 17:44:04
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there's a difference between imparting knowledge and indulding in nerddom. i feel that some people here may be guilty of the ladder.
if you want to have your advanced STAR WARS discussion, please start another thread. this one is more of a beginners level thread. questions like, "what is the force?" and stuff like that. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 17:56:00
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oh my god i know about this stuff! i borrowed those first special edition videos from my friend, cos i felt like i was missing out on a huge aspect of modern popular culture by not watching them, but i thought i'd hate 'em. but i liked them! romance, fathers reverting back to the good side and all that mush makes me all warm inside.
okay, i have a few questions and points if anyone wants to read them, you may have mentioned them before but i couldn't sift thru all that nerd crap. no offence.
okay, what the hell happened to mark hamill's face after 'a new hope'? he almost looks like a completely different person. did he get in a fight before '...strikes back'?
is yoda voiced by miss piggy when he first meets luke?
do the OC's seth and summer not remind you of han and leia? or am i just blinded by my lust for both adam brody and han(i can't bring myself to say harrison ford. ew.)?
did all the drugs effect carrie fisher's acting? she wasn't very good, no matter how great she looked in the damn bikini.
did anyone point out the dialogue between luke and leia which something like:
Leia: ...you have a power which i could never understand.
luke:... the force is strong within my family. my father has it, i have it, and my sister has it*meaningful look* yes you blah blah
leia: i know...somehow i've always known.
force+leia= crazy jedi princess bitch. in a bikini.
so there are going to be more episodes? are the recent ones worth going to see?
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:09:37
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Welcome back B Girl! Is exam hell over? I would post in this thread, but I'll let all the other SW dorks answer all my questions for me with out me revealing I know too much about Star Wars, which I just have!
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:11:58
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this thread was actually just a trap to see who the big nerds are here..
now we know |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:22:24
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hey therewererumours! i've just finished 5th year, so i have a whole other year to go through til i get to finish secondary education. which sucks. my friend has still to do an exam, i think he has spanish or something, so its not over for them yet. as we say in limerick, lousy.
can i be a nerd now cos i think i can understand jabba the hut without subtitles?
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:22:28
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this place I'm in...put there by floop.
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:27:06
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I've been very tempted, I could waffle on about Star Wars, Star Trek , Dune, Tron........ but I want to retain some dignity
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:37:58
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why is no one answering my all-important questions? what happened to mark hamill's face?
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