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floop
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 Posted - 05/08/2005 : 12:41:01
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i agree about respect and good manners, and like to think i exhibit those here as well..
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 12:47:31
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Originally posted by floop
i agree about respect and good manners, and like to think i exhibit those here as well..
get your elbows off that desk.
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Edited by - PixieSteve on 05/08/2005 12:47:40 |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 12:48:40
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| i'm also very slouched over. i apologize |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 12:57:07
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Why aren't you with your mom on Mother's Day, floop?
You are a very bad boy! Time for a spanking. We should
all be spanked for ruining Erebus' thread.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 12:59:06
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my car broke down. i'm stuck at home till the shop opens tomorrow. true story.
her candy and mothers day card are sitting right here next to me.
my family are probably all eating food right now. . [edit] gooood food too..
[sorry, erebus, i'll shut up now..] |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:05:42
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Originally posted by kathryn
The main reason my husband and I plan on homeschooling
our daughter is to spare her the hierarchical bullshit,
which was in place by the time she was, indeed, a toddler
and her peers started seeming hyper-aware of status
and began exhibiting Machiavellian tactics. From what
I see literally daily on the playground, girls are more
subtle and cruel than boys.
The only thing with that is that you could be sheltering her from what is an inevitable part of life. Will she be ready for it when she enters a more social atmosphere?
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Edited by - Carolynanna on 05/08/2005 13:06:02 |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:17:05
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Originally posted by floop
back on topic:
i find it interesting that, in general, guys get along with each other better. if you take a group of guys and put them in a room together, chances are they'll be cool to each other and get along.
with a group of girls, it's a different story.
why is that? you could say it's a competitive thing, but men are just as competitive with one another
don't make me bring up my sociological examination of dating shows like 3rd Wheel and Elimidate..
Again I think there are just so many things for girls to feel threatened by. Your dating shows are a great example of this. We as females are sooooo inundated with images of perfection and what we need to and should be. You floop, should be quite familiar with this... It is "the goal". For example, my daughter will tell you that her favourite character on any TV show or movie is the one that she thinks is the prettiest for no other reason except tht she is the prettiest. (She has even gone on to say that she thinks that the prettiest girl is the nicest just because she is pretty.) We are socially pitted against eachother.
That's why when some girls say, I don't have any girlfriends, I always think uh-oh, why not? Is it them or is it you etc.
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:29:07
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the thing i find endlessly fascinating about those dating shows is whenever they have girl, and three guys who are competing for the girl. the guys will 'kind of' be dicks to each other. but not usually. sometimes they'll even be friendly and just like, "well, good luck bro".
but the girls IMMEDIATELY go at each others throats with the most biting, mean comments (almost always based on apperances)..
it's so weird.
yes, i watch dating shows. got a problem with that? |
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floop
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:29:50
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
We as females are sooooo inundated with images of perfection and what we need to and should be. You floop, should be quite familiar with this..
what's that supposed to mean?
are you saying that am i shallow just becuase i want to date a Perfect 10, Russian lingerie model type? |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:31:13
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Yeah, always always about appearance.
I meant that you post pics of hot chicks at every chance you can.
Don't get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with admiring the female form. Its human nature. Its just that the occurence of posting on this subject seems skewed.
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Edited by - Carolynanna on 05/08/2005 13:34:16 |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:32:35
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| Kathyrn - Thanks for being concerned about the integrity of the thread, and for the crush thingy. I was such an idiot last night. Drank so much I can't remember going to bed, and then woke up around midnight and started drinking more beer. Need to call my mom but I really don't want to. Ugh. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:36:15
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Originally posted by Erebus
Makes me wish I'd given this thread a different title.
I believe you could edit it. |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:38:08
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There's also a skew in the way people talk about physical attributes, guys are so affronted if a girls turns them down or comments on an arbitary physical standard yet are more than happy to discuss the exact attributes they like and accuse women of hypocrisy if we dare to pick up on that, the amount of accusations I've had flung at me about "being a hypocrite because surely I can appreciate the aesthetic blah blah blah" makes me laugh.
 meeting people is easy |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:41:34
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
[• When I was a newbie, I emailed a long-established female forum
member to introduce myself and find out the lay of the land.
She ignored me off the forum and on, and has systematically been
less than cordial to other female forum members but consistently
charming to male members.
Note those same three salient qualities turned upside down:
it was a cultivated thing, was passive and private.
If we're thinking of the same person, she's never been nice to me and I really haven't seen her being charming to many guys.
While we're on the sex thing, I have noticed a pretty consistent women's club where women are much more likely to declare praise for another woman or her posts than a guy's. It use to annoy me but it seems to have tappered and I skipped commenting on it a few times.
I'm glad you're back Kathryn. |
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starmekitten
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:44:02
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Originally posted by floop
but the girls IMMEDIATELY go at each others throats with the most biting, mean comments (almost always based on apperances)..
thats just the way it is, the social pressure to be beautiful is massive, to throw a pat argument around pick up a girls magazine and flick through, look at a guys magazine, airbrushed perfection. How is the average woman supposed to compare?
Read through the posts, I'm not saying this is bad, but read through the beautful women thread, all body beautiful perfect women. We're made to feel bad about looking less than amazing on a daily basis, on the tv by people we know on adverts in magazines it's everywhere. Women aren't stupid so use this when they have supreme confidence to knock those who don't.
meeting people is easy |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:45:44
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| i've noticed a reluctance of women to post bathing suit photos of themselves. which used to bother me, but i've come to accept it. somewhat |
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starmekitten
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:46:10
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Originally posted by darwin
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
[• When I was a newbie, I emailed a long-established female forum
member to introduce myself and find out the lay of the land.
She ignored me off the forum and on, and has systematically been
less than cordial to other female forum members but consistently
charming to male members.
Note those same three salient qualities turned upside down:
it was a cultivated thing, was passive and private.
If we're thinking of the same person, she's never been nice to me and I really haven't seen her being charming to many guys.
I know who she's on about and there is a noticable difference in the way she responds to women and to guys, it's a weird social tactic but in her case it seems to have worked.
Darwin, I think your post was very clever (for a guy) :P
meeting people is easy |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:52:28
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I just want to say that this is them most interesting topic in a while. I find myself agreeing with pretty much all that has been posted here, which just goes to show how complex and not so black and white this subject is.
There is obviously a lot of generalising going on but then it's hard to have these kinds of discussions without it.
I don't so much find myself comparing how I behave as a male to how females 'generally' behave, but how I behave to every other person alive. I often feel like I act like the stereotypes of both sexes, thus making me an unstereotypical male and a bit of an odd one really. I guess this is why I find stereotypical males and females so uninteresting. I like to discover people like myself, 'cos we seem to be a rare breed. Thankfully this forum is full of them and all the better for it.
I joined the secret forum, and all I got was this lousy secret
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:55:27
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
[• When I was a newbie, I emailed a long-established female forum
member to introduce myself and find out the lay of the land.
She ignored me off the forum and on, and has systematically been
less than cordial to other female forum members but consistently
charming to male members.
Note those same three salient qualities turned upside down:
it was a cultivated thing, was passive and private.
While we're on the sex thing, I have noticed a pretty consistent women's club where women are much more likely to declare praise for another woman or her posts than a guy's. It use to annoy me but it seems to have tappered and I skipped commenting on it a few times.
I'm glad you're back Kathryn.
I agree with this. I noticed it for a while.
I think I know who both Carolynana and Kathryn were talking about but I am not 100% sure 'cos it could be one or two of two, going off comments made to me in the past.
I joined the secret forum, and all I got was this lousy secret
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:58:12
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Originally posted by darwin
[quote]
While we're on the sex thing, I have noticed a pretty consistent women's club where women are much more likely to declare praise for another woman or her posts than a guy's. It use to annoy me but it seems to have tappered and I skipped commenting on it a few times.
I'm prolly guilty of this to some extent.
It could be partially because the other person is female and I might identify with them more.
Also its much easier to be discounted as woman and we're the minority here so I might make make a positive comment.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 13:59:26
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I'm sure I have been accused of this in the past (monkey) but I don't think it's anything I have ever done intentionally.
 you have not been paying attention |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:10:39
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Good, I'm glad.
Ack maybe it was the misogynistic comment...
It looked before like you were trying to argue both sides of the coin, saying that women don't have very many problems, yet men are insensitive to women's problems. I think you can understand how that confused me, and I see you've edited the post that gave me the former idea accordingly. So no, I don't think you're misogynistic (although I've known women who really seemed to be). I hope you don't think I am, either. For what it's worth, I agree with you about the domestic violence thing.
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He got banned
for a week; a few days ago I called him on some stuff and a couple of male
forum members gave their (as far as I could tell uninformed) opinion,
one male forum member subtly called me self-righteous for
(unsuccessfully) asking that Steve be permanently banned.
I didn't comment on this on the relevant thread, but I have to say my feelings are kind of mixed on issues like this. On the one hand, I have a tendency to be over-sensitive, so I can sympathize with your feelings on the issue. On the other hand, I kind of don't think people should be banned just for being jerks, because that's the beginning of a slippery slope toward full-blown censorship. I think calling for the moderators to ban people is bad form; I'm sure they'll do it if they find it necessary. I'll admit that I don't know all the details on the issue, though.
(Incidentally, I noticed you named the male member you had a problem with, but not the female one. Is there something in that? I don't know who the female member you mentioned is, by the way, but I guess "a long-established female forum member" doesn't leave all that many possibilities.)
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, that while the forum is only a forum the people who post on it are only human and there will be times raw nerves will be touched.
I think this is somewhat exacerbated by the fact that some people here know each other off-forum, while others don't.
I've gotten way off the topic, haven't I?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:16:08
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Originally posted by VoVat
[quote]I noticed you named the male member you had a problem with
I tried to resist, I really did.
en el amor se esconden las respuestas |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:16:29
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Originally posted by starmekitten
I'm sure I have been accused of this in the past (monkey) but I don't think it's anything I have ever done intentionally.
you have not been paying attention
To be perfectly honest with you it's something I noticed in the earlier days, before your time.
With you it's just Kathryn and floop, so yeah all girls I guess.
I joined the secret forum, and all I got was this lousy secret
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:20:13
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Originally posted by VoVat
(Incidentally, I noticed you named the male member you had a problem with, but not the female one. Is there something in that? I don't know who the female member you mentioned is, by the way, but I guess "a long-established female forum member" doesn't leave all that many possibilities.
that's a great observation VoVat.
i think it's kind of in poor taste to be talking about "this person" indirectly (yet directly here).. |
Edited by - floop on 05/08/2005 17:19:12 |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:21:11
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Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
(Incidentally, I noticed you named the male member you had a problem with, but not the female one. Is there something in that? I don't know who the female member you mentioned is, by the way, but I guess "a long-established female forum member" doesn't leave all that many possibilities.
it seems in bad for to me to be talking about "this person" in this indirect way.
I'm sorry, what does this sentence mean?
Kim, will you do me the honour of being my wife?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:22:40
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| i edited it. does that help? |
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starmekitten
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:25:45
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I think there's no point veiling her comment about Steve because we all know, mentioning this girl by name would be poor form and be hard if what is being discussed is true, if this girl is backed up by the male forum members it makes the female members who notice this behaviour feel stupid. Mentioning a name is just causing trouble.
I notice you don't jump down Carolyns throat for not mentioning her girl by name, why is this?
you have not been paying attention |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:28:36
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quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
(Incidentally, I noticed you named the male member you had a problem with, but not the female one. Is there something in that? I don't know who the female member you mentioned is, by the way, but I guess "a long-established female forum member" doesn't leave all that many possibilities.
that's a great observation VoVat.
i think it's kind of in poor taste to me to be talking about "this person" indirectly (yet directly here)..
I agree to some extent.
I usually don't like it when people talk shit then are to chicken to name names.
The reason this person wasn't named directly and the male (pixiesteve) was, is because his posts were so blatant, there was no guessing about it. I didn't mention the gal's name because the posts were so veiled that it makes it difficult to point out.
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floop
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:28:55
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i'm not sure if you are revering to me or VoVat with the "jumping down throat" comment. but if it's me, what part what i said is jumping down someones throat?
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:33:33
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I am not sure that Carolynana and Kathryn are talking about the same person.
Kim, will you do me the honour of being my wife?
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starmekitten
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:34:13
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quote:
Originally posted by floop
i'm not sure if you are revering to me or VoVat with the "jumping down throat" comment. but if it's me, what part what i said is jumping down someones throat?
maybe that was a bad choice of phrase, but it's true no one did pick up on that but people pick up on kathryns. I'm not anyones spokesperson and she may be along to correct me but I speak from the point of view of what I observe.
you have not been paying attention |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:37:32
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yes, i'd say "jumping down throat" was a bad choice of phrase.
and for thre record, i was not just refering to Kathryn but everyone who is talking about "this person" including darwin etc.. i just think it's kind of lame.
speaking from the point of view i observe |
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starmekitten
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:47:36
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and for the record, floop, that comment wasn't aimed at you alone.
can we hug now or something
you have not been paying attention |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 14:50:12
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
I usually don't like it when people talk shit then are to chicken to name names.
that's how i feel
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The reason this person wasn't named directly and the male (pixiesteve) was, is because his posts were so blatant, there was no guessing about it. I didn't mention the gal's name because the posts were so veiled that it makes it difficult to point out.
yeah but i think talking about them in this (vaguely) indirect way is just as bad. why not just be open about it, or don't mention it at all..
i guess i should shut up before EVERYone hates me here.
nonetheless, i stand by my opinion... |
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