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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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 Posted - 02/24/2005 : 11:32:14
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I believe 'Some Things' is that Angst song
they should stick with the old concept of 2 b-sides/rarities compilations
in the box or not
all those songs need to be released
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 11:38:42
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Enough of this "the Catholics are over" business, people! Please!
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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windupbird
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Posted - 02/24/2005 : 13:32:04
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PearlJamaholic
- FB Fan -
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 14:01:03
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ive been hunting ebay for frank black bsides so if he/they include ALL the bsides that arent on oddballs ill buy it. maybe alternate bsides if they have those. i saw that jumping beans is on oddballs and the black sessions, right? same with man of steel. are both versions the same? if not it would be cool to include the non oddballs as extras. i know they arent catholic tunes but still.
the stuff off of everything is new needs to make the list. i dont know if ill ever find that single and what ever the boxset cost it would be cheaper then that im sure. |
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
USA
246 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 14:18:02
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| I wpould like to see some alternate studio versions of songs. besides the album ones andones we know. Like a dog in the sand version of 21 reasons, a sunday sunny mill valley groove day that was left off the first catholics album there are lots of others also. |
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 14:22:15
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WoooHoooooo. This is great. How about all the albums, rarities, the live disc, and SSMVGD all on 10". It would be like a Death to the Catholics.
Free the Heel! |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 14:37:20
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Originally posted by Bohemoth
I would like to see some alternate studio versions of songs. besides the album ones and ones we know. Like a dog in the sand version of 21 reasons, a sunday sunny mill valley groove day that was left off the first catholics album there are lots of others also.
This is a great idea. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 14:41:40
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hey
one of my first plea's on this forum
was for a Frank Black DVD
and the fb.net'ers of the begining
can maybe remember this:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=3513&SearchTerms=,DVD
and as for rarities:
Posted - 09/24/2002 :
...what I really want to hear is, Catholic-Bloopers. Since they are recording live, they must have some alternate takes, and maybe some funny mistakes, as a fan I want to hear those things. Who's with me?
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 15:52:12
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| This sounds great. Has to have a DVD. There needs to be a good, clear live video capture of this great band and important era in FB's career. + SSMVGD, + Live, I will be in line to purchase. |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 17:13:09
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Originally posted by billgoodman
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=3513&SearchTerms=,DVD
was thinking the same kinda thing, bill
if their to be a box set/dvd, why not one on the man himself
of course the catholics would be in force on a cd or two, plus some acoustic solo fb and pre-catholic discs.
and 'something special', like whats been posted before this
but that's another thread entirely i guess. pity it's archived, was a good one
 mango!
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1467 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 18:44:33
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Absolutely, there has got to be a DVD for this to be a significant offering.
Would love to see Frank and the Catholics on the road, in the van, setting up for a show, and what would really make it special would be to have some footage of the band recording in their Mobile Recording Studio (the one Frank speaks of with such pride), show the band recording, including multiple takes trying to get a song just right, maybe one of the many attempts at Sister Isabelle. And, maybe 8mm, black & white to add some extra flavor.
It's nice for our input to be solicited for such a potentially special project.
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mccrackus
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2005 : 21:18:56
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Just my 2 cents, But I really love hearing Frank's acoustic demos of
his songs. The demos that were on the Spinart release of DITS were
great and I think it would be really cool to have a bonus CD of all demos.
Think of it as Frank Black Francis but for FB&TC's.
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 21:20:12
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I'll throw my 2 cents in...
I think it would be imperative to include the brilliance of the "CUMQUAT CONCERT", that would apease many. The "PEEL SESSION" would be a must as well. If they threw in "SHEPHARD'S BUSH" and/or "SLIMS" (which is fucking incredible, w/the band downstairs in the midst of a card game, Mr. Drew Feldman on the keys, and then...waking up), that would be ideal. I guess any of the good live recordings w/the Catholices would be good. Sunday Sunny Mill Valley Groove Day, is also expected along with Oddballs, including the "new" Oddballs that the man mentioned half a year ago on these very boards.
VIDEO FOOTAGE is very important, as many a folk have mentioned before.
I have no problems with including all the original discs, as I have the BRONZE ALBUM on vinyl and SHOW ME YOUR TEARS on a burnt disc, so it would be nice to have all disc's in one place where I can keep better track of them this time.
In short, any Frank is good (great) Frank. Live video would be appreciated. Linear notes, photos, a poster? (instead of having to buy one off of e-bay)
Really, I'm just looking forward to HONEYCOMB.
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 00:58:27
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For the Live disc: there was a Frank Black & The Catholics concert recorded for Amsterdam radio on 24-03-2001 at Melkweg, Amsterdam. Which was a brilliant show & setlist, and was recorded superbly as well, A+ .. definitely worth hunting that one down. It is the best sounding show I have ever heard!!
For the Rarities disc: "my name is gary" that Frank did w/ Joey Santiago for The Low Budget Time Machine, film. Although probably doesn't qualify as Catholics, it would be great to see it out. Also the alt version of Manitoba from The United States of Leland, film. That would be good too!
And also: SSMVGD complete, "coming into los angeles" [A.Guthrie], "belle isle" [R.Dylan] & "some things..." [Angst], would be worth considering if the Snake Oil/One More Road For The Hit b-sides & unreleased 2CD is not happening... Thanks!
** I'll Be Blue, True Blue, Jaina Blues ** |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 03:18:00
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*It's Friday!*
so, has this thread influenced anything, Ten Percenter?
can't wait for any news, but am, and will |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 06:17:33
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Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
*It's Friday!*
so, has this thread influenced anything, Ten Percenter?
can't wait for any news, but am, and will
Hi all,
Firstly, I don't actually work for Cooking Vinyl! I do have good contacts there though. CV are aware of this thread and I also gave them a summary of the main requests as well as the main concerns identified above. These will now be considered by CV, but Bob at CV wrote the following in his most recent email:
"I can’t guarantee that the boss or management will use any of the ideas but they will be put in front of them."
So, hopefully these ideas will influence the content of the box set. Thanks for all of the input above. If I hear anything else I will let you know.
TP
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 06:39:23
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Could U ask him to add some Breeders Bootleg, and the 2nd kelley deal 6000 Album, and a Donovan Compilation, and the B-sides of each Presley's Singles. Oh, with a piece of Frank Black's Hair. And a teeth brush. And liner notes by Frank Sinatra or Owen Wilson and a Porn-Dvd?
Oh please I'm a Frank Black fan...
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"Third Reich'n Roll" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 07:30:16
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isn't it toothbrush?
because I really want a proper one
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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Zsolt G.
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Posted - 02/25/2005 : 07:33:48
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They should do it like that Stooges box set Rhino did for "Funhouse". It's literally ALL the studio sessions. So basically you have twenty-five versions of "Search and Destroy", or whatever, played exactly the same way. Mind-numbing to say the least. I'm only kidding by the way.
Seriously though, why not do it like every other box set out there. "Best of" disc(s) for the curious and "rarities" disc(s) for the die-hards. Nobody needs all the records again. Especially for an artist that is still active. It's not like it's a career-spanning thing. Unless this signals that the Catholics are history, and this is their epitaph....??? |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 10:24:17
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Originally posted by Ten Percenter
Firstly, I don't actually work for Cooking Vinyl! I do have good contacts there though.
Yeah, i knew that. i was just happy it's friday. deadline day!
thanks for the update.
can't wait to see what's included. i'm sure it will be special whatever it will be |
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Triakel
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Posted - 02/25/2005 : 12:31:22
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As an uberfan, my dream would be some sort of download service for which I could download (pay per track, pay per month, I don't care) FB&C shows and "fan club" type material like radio performances, one-offs, etc.
The Pixies live discs were absolutely awesome, and I think the fan community responded eagerly to them. But discs & distribution are a huge financial outlay, so I don't expect that everyday.
But DOWNLOADs are much cheaper to administer. I don't know how well the Pixies downloads thing went financially, but I bought a number of those -- and if cover art, liner notes and that sort of thing were available, and if the recordings were a bit better (maybe FLAC or MP4 rather than MP3) -- I'd have been all over it.
There are dozens of FB&C shows that are not widely bootlegged and that I'd love to buy, if I only knew where to find them. There must be a market for this. We're like a golden cow waiting to be milked.
I don't know if there's a market for a boxed set, but I feel past that. I want more than a couple of photos and 10 tracks I don't have.
Ah, pipe dreams. (Sighs.) |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 13:14:01
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Catholic-Bloopers. Since they are recording live, they must have some alternate takes, and maybe some funny mistakes, as a fan I want to hear those things. Who's with me?
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!"
I'm with you. Those would be interesting. Long live the Catholics.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 14:17:40
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I would cut myself a ball for the Catholics and burn the Protestans
"Third Reich'n Roll" |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2005 : 23:09:54
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Along the lines of live to two-track out-takes: Dog In The Sand [as an example] must have many alt takes worth listening to, as the Crime + Punishment intrumental version of "bullet" shows. I would be way more interested in buying six discs of alt versions and rarities rather than the six albums re-packaged...
** I'll Be Blue, True Blue, Jaina Blues ** |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2005 : 05:29:34
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yes, i would definately prefer material that has yet to be released. b-sides, concert footage, interviews, ssvmgd, the album press kits, coles notes to the lyrics,... but that being said i will buy anything fb related that comes out.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ and I got a free t-shirt with this dude on it." |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2005 : 08:04:42
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There are basically three groups of people that should probably be considered. The first is, of course, Pixies fans that maybe have wanted to check out FB or maybe don't really know much about Frank's solo career. They would be in the best position to shell out the dough for a box set, as they are basically then up-to-date with all of FB's releases in a single convenient bundle. Aside from an attractive price and perhaps some marketing in their direction, which has to be done carefully so as not to simply be cashing in on Pixies-popularity, there's not much this group needs aside from the discs. For these people, having the actual discs is more important than a bunch of discs of demos or live stuff or what have you. As an aside, though, I've always thought it'd be awesome to go through all the live recordings that are out there and reconstruct the FB albums with the best live recording from wherever or each particular song.
Secondly, there's the group that has heard/owns a few FB records or even most of them. For them, this purchase means rebuying several discs that they already own (though hopefully they can pass those off to friends and spread the word), which obviously decreases the attractiveness. Along with the third group, the uber-fans, they'll want something more than just the standard releases, and to be honest, more than just the bsides (doubtless we all have all that). Now I don't know what that might be, but hopefully it would be some material that up to now we've not had access to. Personal things from FB, like retrospective liner notes (a little blurb talking about each record, and his thoughts on the music and songs on that record), maybe a self-chosen "FB's Favourites" discs to help us uber fans spread the word) might be nice.
A DVD would be great, but honestly, not very practical unless The Catholics got back together to do some stuff. Since they've not officially broken up, they could go play a really cool gig in, say, Saskatoon, or something, and then record it. Or they could probably release Teenager of the Year in 5.1 (which, by the way, would be AWESOME!). But for the most part, Frank's live-to-two makes a DVD impractical because you can't separate the channels. It's too bad, 'cause I'd love to have seen Manitoba in 5.1 too. Anyway, the point is that I don't know of any existing footage, and the 2-2 makes most album releases in 5.1 pointless, and probably he's not going to take the time to get the Catholics back together, get practiced up, and record a DVD. He's a new dad and has more Pixies shows coming up this summer in addition to having to relearn some b-sides.
So what else could you put in there? That's not something I can answer, because the ideal thing to put in there would be something I've never heard of. Something that doesn't exist at this point that fans would love so much that it'd be worth it for them to pick up just for that. And this points at sort of behind-the-scenes material, whether it be bloopers, pre-demos (I'd love to have a recording of FB working out a song rather than just playing one he wrote before putting all the instruments in to it, if such a thing exists), or what have you. Maybe the lost Trompe mixes would be a great treat for Pixies and FB fans alike.
Anyway, that's my $2. I'm not sure I contributed anything, but it's going to be a tough kit to put together, that's for sure. Good luck!
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2005 : 08:31:38
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
A DVD would be great, but honestly, not very practical unless The Catholics got back together to do some stuff...for the most part, Frank's live-to-two makes a DVD impractical because you can't separate the channels.
were the catholics concerts recorderd to two-track as well?
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2005 : 11:34:06
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There are basically three groups of people that should probably be considered.
But wouldn't different products for these different groups make more sense? Like, say, a box set of the CDs WITHOUT rarities, and then a separate rarities collection?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2005 : 11:56:46
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as long as some of the excellant posts here have been heeded,
does justice to both Frank and the Catholics
and isn't just about lining the labels pocket, it will be an awesome set.
whoever it's aimed at.
don't aim CV, just shoot.
give us something worthy of the name Frank Black |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2005 : 08:09:07
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Originally posted by kathryn
I'm not much help here. I'll pay anything, I'll listen to anything. That said, I agree with vilainde. We uber-fans who already own those six albums need a good incentive for doling out that kind of cash so how about neat-o liner notes, photos, etc., things we don't already have?
How bout a tour to support it?
Am sure someone already said that but I don't want to read three pages right now, AND I wanted to put in my annoying two cents to say TOUR TOUR TOOOOUR!
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
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Posted - 02/27/2005 : 08:28:01
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Originally posted by VoVat
But wouldn't different products for these different groups make more sense? Like, say, a box set of the CDs WITHOUT rarities, and then a separate rarities collection?
Yes, yes. To Nathan you listen. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 06:50:22
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Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
A DVD would be great, but honestly, not very practical unless The Catholics got back together to do some stuff...for the most part, Frank's live-to-two makes a DVD impractical because you can't separate the channels.
were the catholics concerts recorderd to two-track as well?
more importantly, is there any concert footage out there?
Nope, don't think so, good point. Those could probably be mixed into surround...
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 06:53:51
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Originally posted by VoVat
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There are basically three groups of people that should probably be considered.
But wouldn't different products for these different groups make more sense? Like, say, a box set of the CDs WITHOUT rarities, and then a separate rarities collection?
"Reunion? Shit union!"
Yeah, I agree. But technically a box set is never as practical as the individual CDs because then the listener can just get what they're missing individually without buying a bunch of stuff they have. The only time they're really practical are for people relatively new and lacking in ownership and for collectors.
I like the 'rarities' collection vs the complete box set though, that's a pretty good idea, I think.
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 08:19:30
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PS Thanks for posting this, Andy!
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