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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/23/2005 : 05:41:20
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It appears that Cooking Vinyl will be putting out the Frank Black and the Catholics Box Set in the UK and Europe; Frank has mentioned the box set in another thread. I have just received the following from Bob Allen at Cooking Vinyl, please note that you have until Friday coming to influence the content of the Box Set:
"So this is the plan so far.....
The concept is for the 6 Catholic albums and 1 disk of rarities and a live album. Any other ideas for cool things to put in the box?
Do you think that you might be able to get me a list of anything else that the fans would like to see in this special set? I need to get back to the Boss by Friday though."
Please post ideas/requests here! I will pass on a link to this thread to the great Bob Allen at Cooking Vinyl.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 05:45:27
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This is freaking awesome. Although if my wife discovers I bought the Catholics albums AGAIN she'll probably ask for a divorce, but nevermind.
Now why is he talking about 1 CD of b-sides/rarities? There should be 2. And I'd like to see the Peel Sessions in the box set too.
Denis
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 05:51:04
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yeah, the peel sessions for sure. plus BOTH discs of rairities (one more road for the hit and snake oil). and it would nice if the live album wasn't one heavily circulated (ie. the hearitagain.net shows).
and the demo of 'i'll be blue' with the electric guitars.
and the acoustic 'end of miles'
and a DVD
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 05:58:58
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Come to think of it, I'd probably cringe if I had to buy 6 CDs I already have for only 2 bonus discs. And I also have 90% of the b-sides already. So that would make about $60-$80 for a live CD...
Denis
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 06:27:30
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I'm not much help here. I'll pay anything, I'll listen to anything. That said, I agree with vilainde. We uber-fans who already own those six albums need a good incentive for doling out that kind of cash so how about neat-o liner notes, photos, etc., things we don't already have?
My vote for live stuff goes to the Shepherd's Bush Empire show. At least
"Jane" ought to be included. I'm too excited to think right now. I'll come back later.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 06:30:44
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But I think Massif Centrale wasn't played on the Shepherd's show, whereas it was at the Slim's show (the one with the Frank/EDF songs at the beginning).
Denis
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 06:44:52
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You're right. They didn't play it then, but I am assuming that several songs from different live performances would be included, not a single show.
btw, thanks for this thread and request for imput, 10%er.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 07:09:44
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i don't want any of those shows - i want NEW live catholics - why include stuff i already have?
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 07:49:55
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I want it all, and I want it now!
Pack all my shit, get on a plane
Follow the sunset for 24 hours |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 07:56:02
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A reverse disc, U know this new thing U can play, one side is a dvd the other an audio cd. Bowie recently rerererereleased his latest album in this format...
Side 1 would be a kind of best of (high quality please!) of the Catholics years in live since 1997. Some recordings with Lyle Workman would be great, and some with special guests too... It would be the occasion to have diversity and feel the evolution of the band. And evreyone would get at least one track they don't have (rather than a whole live album already or easilly downloadable... )
The other side would be the shot sessions of the Catholics ,(I think Frank Black Conspiracy told me that it exists) and footage, and extracts of Live shows and else... and please SOME SURPRISES!!!
Remastered tapes with bonus track (accoustic or alternate would be fine)... Oh digipack sleeves please !!!
A huge and beautiful box set, just like Frank Black...
I don't need a cure I need a final solution... |
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
Australia
1811 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:02:32
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i'm still kind of disappointed it has to be a catholics only, i'd much rather have a fb rarities (including catholics but not excluding solo) box set, and i'm not thrilled about having to buy 6 cds i already have 2 copies of again just for one disk of rarities.
the peel sessions would be incredible. like brian, i have slims and shepards bush. what's a good semi-rare live show to request?
and a dvd, it has to have a dvd. live shows, behind the scenes in the studio, something, anything. please include a dvd.
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MMD
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
233 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:10:13
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The problem with this seems to be that the people who are big enough fans to buy all the albums in one go already have all of the albums, a casual fan or someone new to FB&tC isn't likly to make that much of a commitment. It comes down to the live and rarities CD's and basically the big fans getting screwed, or am I missing something here?
Edit: Please put in a real copy of SSMVGD.
“Not since Orson Welles had one man so many fingers in so many pies, and been the chef as well. And then looked like he went and ate them all. The guy was out of control.” |
Edited by - MMD on 02/23/2005 08:12:32 |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:15:32
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You're right...
But that's the price to pay to have an exclusive idol like Frank Black.
I don't mind.
I have load of MONEY.
I'll buy some Champagne the day it will be released.
I mean twice more Champagne!
I don't need a cure I need a final solution... |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:16:19
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HATE ME
I don't need a cure I need a final solution... |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:16:50
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Yeah! SSMVGD! How could I forget it.
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:50:10
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I agree that the albums we already have must have some new treatment
to make it worthwhile to buy them again
(Alternate versions, acoustic shit
b-sides, live, etc.)
I too vote for Slims show (EDF!)
my favourite catholic year is 2001
a show from that year should be on it too
to make it something special:
lots of liner notes by
frank, dave, dave, rich, lyle, scott, stan, joey, rob,
actually everybody involved!
 "I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:50:25
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Uh, I know it's not a FB&Cs recording, but would it be possible to include this REAL REALLY RARE gem:
HELLO RECORDING CLUB (FB + E.D. Feldman), Nov. 93 - 1. Sir Rockabye 2. Calistan 3. Space Is Gonna Do Me Good 4. Duke of Earl.
Pleaze, pleaze, pleaze... |
Edited by - Frog in the Sand on 02/23/2005 12:18:47 |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:52:12
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I don't see that happening, Frog. Although I'd love to get my hands on a copy...
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:56:21
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Oh, and I'd be more than glad to hear the mysterious song FB wrote for the movie 'Low Budget Time Machine'...
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:57:12
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And the Leland version of Manitoba!
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:01:05
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:18:04
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My ideal (and realistic) box set would include
- good liner notes with all of Frank's self-written album press releases, maybe an essay by an interesting writer/musician/insider, photos we've never seen before
- all the albums
- the two b-sides/rarities discs including ALL of the songs Frank himself put together, as posted here last year at http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5677 (if we don't get all of those tracks Frank mentioned, every single b-side/foreign bonus/etc., I would consider that a severe disappointment and would probably not buy the box)
That's 8 discs so far. Ideally, I would love it if we got a complete Catholics show from start to finish, which could potentially take up two discs. An 11 disc (10 CDs + 1 DVD) Catholics set would be incredible, but I don't think they'd put out something so large. An edited live disc (or a shorter show) would certainly be better than nothing.
So, to consolidate space, personally I'd be happy with no seperate rarities discs and instead adding the b-sides n' stuff as bonus tracks to the box set versions of the albums. I think they'd fit.
(Or to consolidate space maybe one could cram two Catholics albums on one CD, when possible (Would the first Catholics album and Pistolero fit on one disc, for instance?) and then do the seperate rarities disc(s))
Some here may not like the box set including all the albums since you have them already, but I don't think the label would change their mind about this.
One reason why a box set like this for a cult act (like FB & the Catholics) gets released is critical reappraisal. A boxed set of b-sides, rarities, and live stuff wouldn't get taken as seriously as one that includes the albums. All but the most dedicated fans tend to not care about b-sides, figuring they were left off albums because they weren't any good anyway (we all know this isn't true, but this is the thinking). The albums sold modestly in the first place. "If we didn't pay attention to the albums, why should we pay attention to their castoffs?" |
Edited by - Jason on 02/23/2005 12:13:28 |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:18:39
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Shoot!
I go to work for a few hours then the forum springs to life.
An actual discussion too about Frank and the Catholics. This is so exciting.
I have alot of the stuff already mentioned, which it seems most of you have too. So all I can add at the moment is please, a dvd of some kind. Live footage of the Catholics, anything that's been locked away in the vaults for far too long.
Are there any songs recorded that we don't know of?
oh, stupid me, we wouldn't know. I mean songs that have never seen the light of day because the band deemed not worthy. Can we be the judge, please?
definately some words to read too. A nice little booklet to muse over while listening to the magic.
Hopefully the live disc won't be from just one show for variety, or if it is, a show where the band spanned their whole catalogue if such a gig has been recorded.
oh man, head rush. too exciting a thought.
I hope the rereleased albums include the demo tracks and the songs which were on some of the european versions but not others. |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:19:22
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Originally posted by vilainde
And I'd like to see the Peel Sessions in the box set too.
Especially the 2/17/96 session, which was never officially released:
1. Everyone Is Wrong
2. Man of Steel
3. Skeleton Man
4. Close Your Eyes
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:25:23
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how could i forget ssmvgd? and the leland version of manitoba! is there an extended "coastline" or is that just wishful thinking?
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:37:31
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Can we also get a reunion? Can we book these boys in some nice, intimate clubs for a bunch of shows?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:38:18
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| there must be some songs we haven't heard that only the band know of |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 10:39:45
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I'd request a DVD and linernotes by The Man (ala complete B sides from the pixies). fold out poster? individually signed by The Man and The Catholics?
and I agree with FBC...there have to be some songs that we've not heard. surprises are nice!!!
thanks for asking our input tenpercenter, you are most groovy! |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 12:12:56
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altough im not happy about buying all the albums i would quiet happily get it if it had like say, "oddballs" one more hit for the road/snake oil or what ever its called, live stuff and a dvd and a booklet type thing with explainin the songs or something
that would be cool
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
Australia
1811 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 12:22:19
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does anyone know if there are any plans to release something like this in north america?
A monkey will eat dirt if you make him. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 12:33:03
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Yeah, why should we in the US and Canada have to dish out import dough?
New material = tour, right? Right?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 12:34:31
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Originally posted by dayanara
does anyone know if there are any plans to release something like this in north america?
Sorry, no plans for a US release. As you probably know, 92.54% of FB fans are European, and 77.62% of them are French, by the way. |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 12:38:58
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think its to make up for the s/m/y/t ep only being available through itunes
they so kind
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 12:48:48
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Another reason to move to Massif Centrale.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 13:43:27
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Didn't Frank say the box set would be released in the US?
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 13:47:33
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I'll be waiting...patiently, with a DVD would be better.
Good to know that 92.54% of FB fans are European.
Someone tell me why I act like a fool
When things don't go my way
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