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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/08/2005 : 17:43:25
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I almost got thrown out of the cinema for laughing when he disemboweled the guy on the balcony...
bowels in or bowels out.. genius
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 17:46:57
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It is said to be the worst one of the three, but I enjoyed it. If only 'cos it managed to shock me. The other two didn't manage that.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 17:56:55
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Originally posted by darwin
Doesn't mind tell the arm to pickup the phone? If there is no soul, is there anything besides flesh?
Though I suspect you intend that as a rhetorical question, it's all flesh, or matter, to include mind and ideas, as you may agree.
Philosophers often entertain such questions of the relation of willing spirit and weak flesh in terms of the struggle between short- and long-term gratification. Why do we act in the moment in ways that we "know" are not good for us in long-term? Of course this is a subset of the broader question of how we should live our lives. Given that questions regarding the contradictions inherent in knowing what is good for us while not acting on that knowledge have persisted for millenia, with humanity making almost no progress on them, my own suspicion is that the questions are not sound. Models of what it means to be human that depend upon such concepts as will, weak-strong, choice, values, and even action, seem doomed to remain vague because such concepts do not even begin to get at the detail and specificity of the relevant, material, causal chains. Similarly, "freedom of the will" is dubious at best, offering absolutely no descriptive or explanatory power. In fact, nobody can even intelligibly tell us what they mean by "free will". If this skepticism holds, all of our moral debates, both personal and social, have no truth value at all.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 18:03:03
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The mind is weak.
Love, love, my season |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 18:44:12
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Flesh. Say it with me, Homers, "flesh." Say it!
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 18:46:59
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My mind's weaker than your mind, sing it!
Love, love, my season |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 21:27:40
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Although it's said in the book of Matthews, I recognized the quote from Richard Wilbur's translation of Moliere's "Tartuffe." I played him once, and one of his lines is "Cover that bosom girl. The flesh is weak and unclean thoughts are difficult to control." I kinda missed the rest of the chatter after the initial post, so I apologize for bringing it back to the beginning.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2005 : 06:44:43
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Huh? You've read my book?!
The book of Matthews
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 07:37:03
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
Life is something that matter does.
Yes.
Kathryn, again - the flesh is not weak, the mind is.
Think more deeply, more objectively and less poetically about it and you will understand this point of view.
Flesh does not want.
You can be as steamy and religious about it as you want, but the logic of this language will not allow me agree that the statement "the flesh is weak" has any more than a cultural or colloquial meaning.
The flesh is material.
Stuff.
Dirt caught up in stasis for a while.
Flesh is weak compared to steel or other materials that are more durable.
This is the only way the statement has any validity.
Now, if you want to take it into the cultural realm, then yes - the human capacity for succumbing to what we perceive to be pleasureable or "tempting" is weaker in some people than it is in others. |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 07:43:33
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crap - so you're telling me that both my flesh AND mind are weak?
I'd be safe and warm if I was in L.A
California Dreamin' on such a winter's day
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 07:47:22
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Yeah, surfer, I guess thats what I'm saying...only they are weak in different ways...and "weak" is a relative thing.
Weak compared to what standard? |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 07:49:44
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I'm utterly self indulgent and pretty much always give in to temptation.
I'd be safe and warm if I was in L.A
California Dreamin' on such a winter's day
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2005 : 07:58:06
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Great.
I'll pick you up around 9-ish then.
*smiley*
Fuck The Truth. All The Truth has done is make me wonder why. |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
4209 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2005 : 08:00:20
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I shouldn't....
Oh what the hell! I'll bring the booze.
I'd be safe and warm if I was in L.A
California Dreamin' on such a winter's day
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2005 : 12:32:37
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quote:
Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinson
Kathryn, again - the flesh is not weak, the mind is.
Think more deeply, more objectively and less poetically about it and you will understand this point of view.
Flesh does not want.
You can be as steamy and religious about it as you want, but the logic of this language will not allow me agree that the statement "the flesh is weak" has any more than a cultural or colloquial meaning.
The flesh is material.
Stuff.
Dirt caught up in stasis for a while.
Flesh is weak compared to steel or other materials that are more durable.
This is the only way the statement has any validity.
KSR, while I appreciate your intellectual rigor, I liked it better when KOK was talking about erecting steel.
I'm like Surfer: temptation's there for me to cater to. I am a
life support system for an id, albeit a life support system wearing a black Pixies reunion T-shirt.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2005 : 14:48:55
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Thanks for the backup Kim. It sure was hard to get through to them.
Love, love, my season |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2005 : 16:04:39
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No one's gotten thru to anyone. The flesh remains oh so very weak. Believe me.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2005 : 03:29:44
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Do you need a lie down? You still seem a little crazy.
Love, love, my season |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2005 : 08:27:43
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quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Huh? You've read my book?!
The book of Matthews
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If there's a Matthews book, then there will eventually be a Book of Mayer. I can't wait.
 "Anything Dave Matthews can do, John Mayer can do worse" |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2005 : 18:06:57
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Of course the flesh is weak! That's why I NEED adamantium armor!
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Originally posted by floop
it's not always your limbs that pick up the condom.
i'm just saying
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee!
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can you explain this one, floop?
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I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
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as in, sometime someone else puts on the condom.
Damn. I thought you meant you had telekinetic abilities. Which you used to move condoms, natch.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2005 : 18:07:44
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VV, I am trying to forget this post.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2005 : 18:55:34
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Which part of it bothers you? The condom-moving part?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2005 : 17:43:39
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| Last spring and summer I had a problem with my flesh being weak. There was blood and bone and metal. Damn weak flesh. Oh yeah. It doesn't matter how you move the condoms. Just move 'em! |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2005 : 18:34:44
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You're doing much better now, right? How are you?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2005 : 06:51:37
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| Meh. Further complications. Still just as broken. Only more atrophy now. They're shipping me off to the prestigious Mayo Clinic for more surgeries in about two months. It's really getting kind of old by now, hence my random jokes directed towards my gimpiness, such as the one above. And I sort of lost track where this thread had gone, so I thought I'd interject with a bizarre anecdote. Okay. Bye now. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2005 : 12:25:19
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Dietr it's fine that the topic's veered off topic, so to speak. Not long ago we had us a great ole forum discussion about the merits of off-topic topics going off topic and I am a big believer in "it's off-topic, let's go off topic!" Anyhoo. I wish my in-laws still lived in lovely Roch Vegas, as we call the town that Mayo is at, so I could come harass you post-op and give you grief and play some tunes for you and make you play some Prozacrat for me. Damn, Dietr. Hang in there, OK? Stay in touch. I bet you're sick of all this crap.
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