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song oracle
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  05:34:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today's random song of the day is River Euphrates.

What do you think of it?

lyrics
Ride, ride, ride, ride, ride, etc.
Stuck here out of gas
Out here on the Gaza Strip
From driving too fast

Two three let's
Ride a tire down River Euphrates, ride a tire down
Ride a tire down River Euphrates, ride a tire down
Ride a tire down River Euphrates, ride a tire

Ride, ride, ride, ride, ride, etc.
Dead Sea make you float
One sip from the salty wine
Dead Sea make you choke

Two three let's
Ride a tire down River Euphrates, ride a tire down
Ride a tire down River Euphrates, ride a tire down
Ride a tire down River Euphrates, ride a tire down
Ride
A
Tire

Black_francis_
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  06:42:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought it was tiger, oops. Still, very good song. very strong chorus chord sturcture
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vilainde
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  06:47:03  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ah, the old tire/tiger debate... One of the songs we're trying to cover with my band, and it's a lot of fun to play.
I love the "LET'S!" in the background during the 2nd chorus. I guess it's Dave Lovering shouting.


Denis

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Adam
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  07:07:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The absolute best screaming song they do, especially live. Love those live versions from back in the 80's wher BF just screams his lungs out.

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whoreatthedoor
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  07:45:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's still my fave Pixies song, and maybe number two or three in my all-time list.


"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  08:07:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i just made a cocky post saying well i thought it was tyre but then i found out that's just a british variation of spelling.

Edited by - PixieSteve on 10/27/2004 08:07:51
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dayanara
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  11:17:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well since we're having the tire/tyre/tiger debate (it's TIRE), how about the Surfer Rosa vs. B-Sides debate? My vote goes to the SR version. It just seems more.... kickass, somehow.


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PixieSteve
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  12:10:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it's tyre too. it's the meaning that counts!
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Thomas
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  12:22:45  Show Profile  Click to see Thomas's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

I love the "LET'S!" in the background during the 2nd chorus. I guess it's Dave Lovering shouting.
Denis



Are you talking about the B-side version? If so, I love that version just because of the "Let's!"

Isn't it Black singing that part. Could it really be someone else? I know it sounds different, but couldn't that be his vocal range?


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Levitated
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  18:23:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The B-side/Gigantic ep version rules!!! the ''LET'S'' part (I think it's Frank's voice) is awesome and also the guitar part that was edited by albini and the Kim voice saying uuhh ah uuhh ah at the end, it's a much better version that the one on SR in my opinion. Since Doolittle tour they play the b-side version but this year they're playing the SR version, lately though they're adding the guitar part in the middle which is cool too.
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bukminster
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  18:41:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This may be my favorite Pixies song of all -- I agree that it's tire/tyre -- but I so want it to be tiger...I like the imagery better.

B-side version for me -- the clincher is the "TWO THREE" that BF screams out just before the second chorus -- sounds angry and totally mental.

I have to say that I've been disappointed in the live versions of the song that I've heard both on Disclive (Brixton 6/5/04) and on some of the older boots (Vienna 89, Madison 1/92) -- anyone have a suggestion for "THE" definitive live version? (One where they really nail the ride, ride....)?

Thanks!
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MikeW
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  23:47:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I love this song. The b-side version is better. I wish Gil Norton would have produce SR.......
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whoreatthedoor
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  02:45:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MikeW

I love this song. The b-side version is better. I wish Gil Norton would have produce SR.......



AAAHHHHH!!!! A witch!!! A witch!!! Burn Her!!!


"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman
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Black_francis_
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  03:54:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
teehee. Although i like the way Dave plays more on the B-side, i think the shorter version on Surfer Rosa is marginally better. marginally
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offerw
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  04:57:59  Show Profile  Click to see offerw's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I love this song but I have to agree that I'm yet to hear a good live version from the 2004 tour.

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Douglas
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  05:12:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Love this song. I'm also infavor of the B-side version. that awesome guitar part, the screamin'... basically everything metioned above. I have a video of them playing it live (might be the Brixton Academy?) that I found on the internet, where he screams his brains out at the "one sip from the salty wine". I watch it over and over. love it.
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someguycalledjames
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  05:12:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
anyone have a suggestion for "THE" definitive live version?


Yep the vocals are a bit more casual on the 2004 shows, less screaming & the ending is a bit premature. best version on Subbacultcha boot IMHO.
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Black Dress
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  05:30:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The B Sides version is the best!
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TameReg
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  12:25:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Both versions are great. I probably prefer the B-side version right now, as I have played the other version to death.
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TRANSMARINE
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Posted - 10/31/2004 :  12:42:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Doesn't the Tiger river flow into the Euphrates? I'm going with 'tiger' on this one.

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toeknee
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Posted - 10/31/2004 :  13:37:48  Show Profile  Click to see toeknee's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The B-side version is superior I think, but it goes on too long at the end.
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billgoodman
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Posted - 10/31/2004 :  14:13:48  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by someguycalledjames

quote:
anyone have a suggestion for "THE" definitive live version?


Yep the vocals are a bit more casual on the 2004 shows, less screaming & the ending is a bit premature. best version on Subbacultcha boot IMHO.




Yes, the open with river euphrates
on that boot
it's pretty neat

They played it in Amsterdad too, and according to that
version they put lot's of fx on Franks voice at the reunion shows

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VoVat
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Posted - 11/03/2004 :  16:11:10  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Doesn't the Tiger river flow into the Euphrates?


You're thinking of the Tigris, I believe. The Tigris and Euphrates are the two rivers that defined the boundaries of the area known as Mesopotamia.



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TRANSMARINE
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Posted - 11/15/2004 :  11:42:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat

quote:
Doesn't the Tiger river flow into the Euphrates?


You're thinking of the Tigris, I believe. The Tigris and Euphrates are the two rivers that defined the boundaries of the area known as Mesopotamia.



"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan




Yes...thats it! I stick with 'tiger' as opposed to tire

Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown

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Wade
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Posted - 11/15/2004 :  13:59:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This one is one of my favorite just for the way it sounds. The Hi/Lo dynamic is GREAT on this one. The sound on the SR version is better produced, but I like the chorus better on the B Side, he sounds a little crazier and it's louder. I will also second the above comment that part of my liking it better could be that I have heard it less.... but I DO like the chorus better on the B.

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Triakel
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Posted - 11/16/2004 :  08:33:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How's this for decisive? I think Frank sings both "tire" *and* "tiger."

I just listened (with good headphones) to both the B-side and Surfer Rosa versions of River Euphrates. He clearly enunciates both ways. At the end of the SF version, he is clicking his "G" -- "Ride the Tie-GER." But earlier in the same track, he sings "tire."

In the B-side version, the "Tie-ER" is very clear.

I don't know how many of you write music/poetry, etc. But I often find myself changing words to please my ear. The verse makes sense both ways, yet carries different meaning.

My fatuous hypothesis: Frank started with "Ride the Tiger," because the Tigris *does* run into the Euphrates, and seems the most natural line if you're writing down lyrics. But as he sang it, perhaps it came out "tire" and he thought, "Yeah, I'm getting in my car. I'm hopping on my bike. I'm gonna ride the TIRE."

Another question: When was the B-side version released? (I downloaded my copy from EMusic and don't have Frank's liners). Is it on the 1988 Gigantic single, or was it later? The guitar riff at the end of the B-side version matches the guitar solo from Jesus & The Mary Chain's "Head On." J&MC released "Automatic" in 1990. I assume the Pixies are paying homage to the Reid brothers, but I'm not sure ...
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Jettison
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Posted - 11/16/2004 :  09:22:16  Show Profile  Visit Jettison's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i always thought, his car broke down (out of gas) so he grabbed a spare tire and used it as a vessel to get down the river.

that's my $0.02.

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Edited by - Jettison on 11/16/2004 09:23:40
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chrischob
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Posted - 11/16/2004 :  12:53:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I always thought it was Tiger until I read this post. When they played the song in Minny I really paid attention to what he said and I am sure it was 'Tire'.

Chris


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ElevatorLady
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Posted - 11/16/2004 :  13:52:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jettison

i always thought, his car broke down (out of gas) so he grabbed a spare tire and used it as a vessel to get down the river.

that's my $0.02.

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That's what I always thought. First time anyone agrees. Stuck out of gas - so take off the tire and ride it down the river. Literally.

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hWolsky
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Posted - 11/16/2004 :  19:46:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Je kiff à mort, nique ta mère.. Han han... Fais tourner ta salope.

HW
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Triakel
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Posted - 11/16/2004 :  23:22:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I amend my previous comment. Right ... your car is out of gas, you pull off a tire, you ride the tire down the River Euphrates. That's where the song starts. I forgot about the broken-down car ...

On the Surfer Rosa version, Frank sings "ride the tire" throughout the song, but then shouts "ride the tiger" at songs' end (or else he enunciates in a way that is gutteral enough to unintentionally make the hard "G" sound.) For years my only experience with the song was from Surfer Rosa, so I assumed "tiger" was the lyric throughout.

However, in addition to the B-side version (which has no "tiger"), I listened to several live takes from this year's tour. In Austin and St. Paul, Frank shouted "tie-er" at the end. It was very clearly not "tie-ger."

Maybe he's saying "liger" (bred for its skills in magic.)
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madtempest
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Posted - 11/17/2004 :  05:13:08  Show Profile  Visit madtempest's Homepage  Click to see madtempest's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The Complete B Sides, version Two of this song is where it's at!
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VoVat
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Posted - 11/17/2004 :  17:23:28  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
The guitar riff at the end of the B-side version matches the guitar solo from Jesus & The Mary Chain's "Head On." J&MC released "Automatic" in 1990. I assume the Pixies are paying homage to the Reid brothers, but I'm not sure ...


Well, Frank DID say the beginning was "a fake Jesus and Mary Chain song."



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