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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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 Posted - 05/17/2005 : 18:20:38
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Originally posted by Erebus
Firsts are to be savored. No matter how prolific Frank remains, there can only be so many first auditions of his stuff.
agreed. and do you want that first impression to be a crappy mp3 you play on your computer? or the full-blown package?
i don't want to get into a downloading music discussion.. but i feel the same way. . i prefer to wait. i like the ritual of buying his album the day it comes out, opening the packaging, and then hearing it, on my stereo etc etc..
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5452 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2005 : 20:40:27
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| The western states are nearing agreement. I also wait for the finished CD in all of its plastic wrapped glory. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 03:22:02
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and it sure is worth the wait
"Georgie Porgie pudding and pie,
Kissed the girls and made them cry
He was under the bottles command" |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 10:09:13
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Best lyric/melody: "Our house was filled with many birdsm
she said to me 'I can understand their words' ... "
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 11:13:29
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Best lyric/melody too:
is your mind gone / are you dog tired / do ya feel like you can't get no worse / i'm a big guy / can we try this /
i will be the whole universe / if you be the centre / you burn inside me like a star / an atom in my heart |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 13:41:58
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Has anyone mentioned who did the guitar solo in 'My Life In Storage' yet?
As serious as your life |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 15:34:41
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Don't think so. One for the producer whenever he returns (two fingers crossed)
Why, do you like? |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 15:43:42
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Yeah, it's nice. Very drawn out and sparse, good stuff.
I'm also interested as to which tracks include Steve Cropper, that man's amazing. I'm sure I can distinguish some Cropper-esque guitar in some tracks, but I'd like to have some confirmation.
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kotvana
- FB Fan -
Israel
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 16:02:18
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Originally posted by 1965
I am looking forward to hearing this album Honeycomb aka Honeycombe more than any previous. Trying to avoid listening to the leaked/rough mix is painful, but I think it will be ultimately worth it in the end. Reminds me of the time FB+C played almost all of Dog in the Sand live months before it was released and the concert was floating around on the net. Hearing those live/early versions of Dog was thrilling [at the time] but effectively spoiled DITS for me when the album was finally released, partly cos I felt I had cheated a little. Although enough time has now passed that I can sit down and listen to Dog and enjoy it, like any other of FB's works. 19th July counting the days.
btw today is my Birthday No.40 ~ just wanted to share that with everyone...
** I'll Be Blue, True Blue, Jaina Blue **
The sound is nor raugh. Actually it's sounds alot better than previous albums. I got "advance" release it's so sweet.. it's like having Frank singing next to me....... I hope the finished produced will sound exactly the same.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 17:21:45
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As long as everybody keeps it nice and friendly I will furnish you with the information you seek, but anybody gets into character assasination, politics, or uncivilized behavior I will vamoose like a goose on the loose.
And no f*cking cursing! I want you guys to pretend that Frank and Violet read all of your posts aloud to Jack, and you consequently should use appropriate language.
If I could ask one more thing.....I would like to be treated with simple respect. Consistently.
Yes, the finished copy sounds infinitely more intimate, the mastering EQ is subtle but definitely adds to the fidelity of HONEYCOMB.
Guitar solo on "Storage" is Reggie Young, he is responsible for most of the "smoother" solos while Cropper's are more biting. I think they should be easy to distinguish.
Steve Cropper plays on the entire album, the "other" guitarists may vary from track to track (Reggie or Buddy Miller) but he is consistently on every track. He's pretty much on the entirety of The Sicilian (or Nashville 2, as it is alternately referred to) as well, with a few exceptions.
The "Atlantis" track will ONLY be available on the Japanese version, so anybody bitching about Al Franken being on a Frank Black cd can do their complaining in Japanese. I can guess import copies will be available here for about $30. It will not be on i-tunes.
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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
633 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 20:04:46
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Jontiven.... great information! Thanks!
by the way, any information on the bass players? Is there one, or were there a baker's dozen? |
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1467 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2005 : 20:45:26
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Much obliged, Sir Jon Tiven...always look forward to your posts
I'll be glad to return the favor, a couple of three whiskeys and Shiner Bocks will be waiting for ya down at the Mercy Lounge tomorrow night (Thursday) at the late show.
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 22:49:47
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Jon would you say The Silican is a mellow cd like Honeycomb? (I love honeycomb btw)
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2005 : 03:16:05
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Originally posted by Jontiven
Yes, the finished copy sounds infinitely more intimate, the mastering EQ is subtle but definitely adds to the fidelity of HONEYCOMB.
I never listened to the rough mixes, so I don't really have anything to compare it to, but I definitely agree that it's a very 'intimate' mix - well suited to FB in the light of his previous recordings, I think. Good job.
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Guitar solo on "Storage" is Reggie Young, he is responsible for most of the "smoother" solos while Cropper's are more biting. I think they should be easy to distinguish.
Steve Cropper plays on the entire album, the "other" guitarists may vary from track to track (Reggie or Buddy Miller) but he is consistently on every track. He's pretty much on the entirety of The Sicilian (or Nashville 2, as it is alternately referred to) as well, with a few exceptions.
Thanks - pass on my compliments, the playing's great.
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 07:18:39
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Hey Jon, if there was to be a Honeycomb tour, would you be apart of it in anyway?
Supported by 'Jon Tiven Group' maybe?
(we seriously need that JT thread as a bat phone) |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 12:54:21
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Listening now, it strkes me that 'Dark End Of The Street' is very similar in sound and style to 'Alison' by Elvis Costello; a good thing obviously.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 13:44:29
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1)All of the bass guitar on HONEYCOMB is by David Hood.
2)I will not be participating in the live shows, as all I played on the album was harmonica on a few tracks and acoustic guitar on "Strange Goodbye," which means if I was to join the band, I would have to actually learn the songs and there are plenty of people more capable of doing that than myself.
3)I would characterize the followup album as being less mellow and more --- for lack of a better word --- "rhythmic."
4)I appreciate the offer of a free drink, but alcohol is not my intoxicant of choice. I'm practically allergic to it.
5)You'll have to ask Elvis Costello about "Alison" resembling "Dark End," I know he is indeed indebted to the work of Dan Penn but I seriously doubt that one song inspired the other.
6)The Ellis Hooks record GODSON OF SOUL will not be released until August 9th, so you cannot purchase it AND Honeycomb at the same time unless you wait until August 9th. My apologies.
Hope that answers your questions of the moment.
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Jon |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 05/20/2005 : 14:05:57
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Originally posted by Jontiven
5)You'll have to ask Elvis Costello about "Alison" resembling "Dark End," I know he is indeed indebted to the work of Dan Penn but I seriously doubt that one song inspired the other.
Don't worry, wasn't trying to insinuate anything :)
Just an observation really - the track's one of my favourites off the album, and I also love the Costello track.
I try not to have the issues with 'influence vs rip-off' that some people have, if a song's good, the song's good.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 20:47:02
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Your humble producer just recalled something that may be a mere footnote to most of you, but I think there will be some of you who frequent the board who will find it notable.
The engineer I used on the sesssion where the voice of the notorious AL FRANKEN was recorded ("Atlantis") was RICHARD LLOYD, of the band Television. We recorded it at his studio, and as I doubt that the Japanese release will feature the separate credits for the "Atlantis" sessions, the only place where you are getting this kind of information is right here.
You're welcome. Let's hope there are no Television haters who are going to pop up and say "Oh no, Frank's work is forever defamed, the guitarist in Television engineered one track!"
Okay, let's keep it light, it's the weekend, kids.
bye,
Jon |
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1467 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 21:40:15
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Thanks to you Jon and all of your posts that I have printed,
I've got a good size scrap book on Honeycomb and The Sicilian (Nashville 2)
filed with incredible behind the scenes,
insider information...
Hey, the whiskey wasn't the only intoxicant at
The Mercy Lounge last night, That Alt Country Bastard
and The Duke of Fender had everyone shit-faced...They'll
be back at Layla's Bluegrass Inn Saturday night
for the late show. I, on the other hand, will not...I've
got some family time to catch up on...Oh yeah,
I've been meaning to ask you,
do you ever attend Ellis' Monday shows at B.B.King's?
I'm hoping to check some out soon
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2005 : 02:45:12
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Thankyou.
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Originally posted by Jontiven
You're welcome.
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CkDead
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/21/2005 : 17:23:02
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| Honeycomb has a very clean, professional sound to it. The songs are acoustic, calm, and very light, and sound like what Frank was aiming for in this album. It reminds me of Dog in the Sand sometimes, but mostly this is an incredibly original and refreshing album |
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jonathan
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/22/2005 : 14:09:33
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I just got an advance copy. Struggling to see what all the fuss is about. To me it seems alright, nothing that really is beyond the Catholics, in any way. A nice record to be listening to on a Sunday evening, and a worthwhile addition to the back catalogue... but roll on Catholics/Pixies stuff. No?
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 Treat yourself - www.blackmarias.com - the best new band. |
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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2005 : 12:55:36
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
Jon would you say The Silican is a mellow cd like Honeycomb? (I love honeycomb btw)
The Truth Is Out There
I read that comment above and then Jon answers in a post a few down "3)I would characterize the followup album as being less mellow and more --- for lack of a better word --- "rhythmic.""
What is the Silican [or is it Sicilian?], the follow-up to HC? I remember hearing that one reason Frank returned to the studio was to record more songs and the possibility of HC being 2 discs. What happened to that idea? If the Silican [Sicilian] is the follow-up when will we see it's release?
"I mix twinkie's and ding-dong's all the time. In Europe, they call it a Dinkie!" |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2005 : 14:24:21
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it is 'The Sicilian', skatealex was mistaken, and yes, it is the follow up to honeycomb, and i believe january was being speculated as the release date? i'm not sure on that last point
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
64 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2005 : 15:45:19
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| Great bunch of songs! Really (I mean REALLY) mellow album from Sir Francis. |
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man in black
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Posted - 05/23/2005 : 17:18:16
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My life is in storage is great until the mellow bit at the end.The album seems totally chilled and mellow,from the tracks I've heard kinda similar to Neil Young.But infused with Franks cool chord changes and unique ear for melody.I thought the album would be a bit loud now the pixies have re-formed,but it's still cool.
P.S. Even though I've already heard some tracks,I will definately still buy this album,simply because Frank is GOD!!! |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 05/24/2005 : 01:15:32
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so, perhaps this has been mentioned somewhere, but i'm too lazy to go trough all the threads: what is about a vinyl of HC ? yes, no, perhaps ?
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 05/24/2005 : 01:57:23
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Yeah, we talked about it, but I can't remember in which thread. Honeycomb doesn't fit on a simple LP, it's about 55 minutes long, so it'd have to be a double LP (yeah! with gatefold cover!). You should perhaps ask Diverse Records about it, they released SMYT on vinyl.
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2005 : 03:55:14
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Oh, it would fit on 1 lp, but only just. Like Public Enemy's "It takes a nation of millions...", that's 58 minutes long. Or Todd Rungrens "A wizard a true star" (1973): 56 minutes. I have both on 1 vinyl album.
But nowadays, vinyl albums are only made as collectibles for freaks anyway, so they tend to make it double albums, even if it fits on one album.
I guess they could use the fourth side of the vinyl edition for unreleased material. There's a Norwegian band called Motorpsycho who always does that. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2005 : 04:03:06
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They did that for the vinyl version of Death To The Pixies too. I say that's a great idea!
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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atomicbart
- FB Fan -
France
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Posted - 05/24/2005 : 13:16:25
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Hi,
We are interested to make it on vinyl, but 50 minutes is the maximum recommended, and a 2lp is too expensive for us.
I really like to make it but if i think that if frank really want to release Honeycomb on vinyl he knows a lot of people and he don't really needs us. But who knows ? Maybe i can dream about it. (i'll be so proud !)
Atomicbart
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/davidjuhel/unrecordingrecords/pages/ur_store.htm |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 05/25/2005 : 17:50:42
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Happy late b day 1965... it's cool you can think of Honeycomb as a late b day present!!
Jon, thanks so much for popping in and schooling us with all this very cool knowledge!
Two questions... did Frank do all the male backing vocals???
Another... can you say yet on what the cd covers look like are they jewel case or cardboard like frankblackfrancis? Just wondering so I can better picture me picking up several copies for myself and for presents to my fave people.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2005 : 20:31:22
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Background vocals are by the late James Griffin (nee of Bread, just passed recently) and the very much alive Ellis Hooks, whose albums I produce & cowrite and the next one, GODSON OF SOUL, ships to stores August 9th courtesy Evidence Records.
Lest we not forget Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham, who sing for "Sing For Joy" (and that's Dan providing on "Dark End").
Hope that is not TOO informative. (LOL)
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